Please PM me.

Why? Can't we all know it? 

Why? Can't we all know it? 

I don't want to see a "discussion" with people claiming to know better without having sold exclusive usage rights before.
Too many trolls here that don't contribute anything constructive.

Also, the ones who did sell exclusive usage rights would be hesitant posting details on a public forum.

Nothing personal.

Quote from: click_click on May 19, 2009, 13:35

I don't want to see a "discussion" with people claiming to know better without having sold exclusive usage rights before.
Too many trolls here that don't contribute anything constructive.
Nothing personal.

Find a dating site then. This is a forum.
Nothing personal.

That's what I'm talking about.

Thanks for your "help".

@lisafx  Isn't that what the SR-EL license is at Dreamstime? 
I remember seeing a thread fairly recently about someone selling all rights.  Seems like her share was just under $500.

Also, I think you can sell all right even after the image has sold under other "restricted" micro licenses.  It just requires deleting the image from further availability.

Am I missing something?

Follow is the SR-EL agreement copied from Dreamstime:

Sell the Rights (SR-EL):
This license represents a full ownership of the downloaded image. The buyer can use it exclusively (exclusivity applies from the moment that the file was downloaded using this license), and include it in any type of design with just a few restrictions: sensitive subjects may still apply and the buyer may not claim that the file was created by him nor resell it as a photo.
The agency will disable the image immediately after the buyer acquired this license. The photographer is required to disable the file permanently from all other places where he may sell it, as soon as possible after the sale occured, but no longer than 72 hours. The photographer acknowledge and agrees to provide the buyer with full ownership for the file retrieved using the SR-EL license.

If a Model Release is available on file, it will remain within our database, a proof about its existence can be forwarded to the buyer, however, the MR info will still not be disclosed in respect of the photographers' and models' privacy.
This is an additional license to the rights included within the regular Royalty-Free license.

For any other details regarding usage or these licenses, you are strongly advised to contact Dreamstime.

   Well, I don't know if this is what you're talking about, but I make my living by selling photographs, with exclusive rights, to advertising agencies. Of course, these are commissioned assignments. My agent usually quotes two prices, one for limited usage, and one for exclusive ownership. The ad agencies always choose the exclusive rate, which I love, because it's the higher of the two prices. I've never sold one of my stock images for exclusive use, but only because I've never been asked. I would though. Everything is negotiable.

I would suggest taking into account some of the following:

- How much you have earned from the image and how long it has been online?  From that you can figure out an approximate annual rate that you have earned (or might earn) on the image.  Obviously, if the image is relatively new (only a few months), then that will make it harder.

- Are there similar images to this one also available from your collection?  If so, then you the buyer might want you to remove all of the similars as well, and you should calculate the rate of return on these images also.

- Pick a period of time that you feel the image might sell over.  It seems to be the experience of many here, that the sales on an image reduce over time (since they get lost in the haystack and there are boatloads more loaded every week).  For example, you might choose 5 or 10 years.  Then multiply this time frame by the annual rate of return that you previously calculated.  This should give you a ballpark figure.

- Factor in your time.  As they say: "Time is money".

- Add in a fudge factor, since they might want to "bargain" with you.  For example, if you ask for $500, they might offer back $250.  Take this into account.

- Where are they located?  If you give them a quote in $USD, and they are located in another country, there will be a conversion rate that they might need to apply.  This might make the image seem more expensive or inexpensive to them, depending on the country.

- What are their plans for the image?  How big is the company that you are dealing with?  Do they plan on using it as a logo?

Of course, after having said all of that, you need to feel comfortable selling the rights on an image.  Many people have an attraction to the images that they have created and have a problem parting with them.

Hope that helps...

How would this work with images that are online on some sites where there is a lock in period? It is impossible to take down an image within 72 hours as DT license requires.

How would this work with images that are online on some sites where there is a lock in period? It is impossible to take down an image within 72 hours as DT license requires.

I'm not sure either, GA, how that works but I think it is an agreement between the agencies.  That point was mentioned in the thread that I referenced about the lady selling the S-EL image.  I think it is just a matter of "disabling" the images until they can be taken down.  That might be a good question to raise at the DT site?

   Well, I don't know if this is what you're talking about, but I make my living by selling photographs, with exclusive rights, to advertising agencies. Of course, these are commissioned assignments. My agent usually quotes two prices, one for limited usage, and one for exclusive ownership. The ad agencies always choose the exclusive rate, which I love, because it's the higher of the two prices. I've never sold one of my stock images for exclusive use, but only because I've never been asked. I would though. Everything is negotiable.

What do you ask?  I just quoted $900 an image licensing rights for exclusive use for 3 years to someone.

I think the all time records is around a $125,000 for the splash screen to Windows 97. I could be wrong about the amount and the exact copy of Windows but you Windows users know the shot of the green field and blue sky. The amount is about right. It really depends on the industry and how widespread the usage is. $10,000 is not unreasonable for larger usages. Ask for it next time, you'll be surprised what you can get.