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Microstock Photography Forum - General => General Stock Discussion => Topic started by: Maui on January 26, 2021, 07:38
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Shutterstock is acquiring Turbosquid:
https://blog.turbosquid.com/2021/01/26/shutterstock-to-acquire-turbosquid-the-worlds-largest-3d-marketplace (https://blog.turbosquid.com/2021/01/26/shutterstock-to-acquire-turbosquid-the-worlds-largest-3d-marketplace)
Since some artists are contributing to both Shutterstock and Turbosquid I think this may be of interest.
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Well there goes Turbosquid's contributor royalties :'(
3D models for 10 cents
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I wonder how much money they have with them.
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I'm starting to think they don't really like people.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90597548/shutterstock-makes-a-75-million-bet-that-the-future-of-photography-doesnt-involve-cameras (https://www.fastcompany.com/90597548/shutterstock-makes-a-75-million-bet-that-the-future-of-photography-doesnt-involve-cameras)
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For me this site was the king to buy/sell 3d models. But last 2/3 years .... pff
i use other sites. They are much better.
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A while back I said AI would eventually replace the need for contributors. This is a step in that direction. These companies at some point will be able to mostly create their own content and keep a majority of the sales revenue.
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I don't create 3D models, so I know very little about that as a stock marketplace. I thought I'd see what articles I could find about how many agencies/marketplaces there are and how they rank. I thought I'd share some of the articles (all within the last year as I don't think anything older would be all that useful)
An interview with TurboSquid about selling 3D stock (they don't name the person they interviewed)
https://cgsociety.org/news/article/4872/how-to-make-money-selling-3d-stock (https://cgsociety.org/news/article/4872/how-to-make-money-selling-3d-stock)
Best places to sell 3D models online, with pros/cons for each
https://www.lifewire.com/top-places-to-sell-your-3d-models-online-2079 (https://www.lifewire.com/top-places-to-sell-your-3d-models-online-2079)
Part 2 of the above, talking about royalties, traffic and competition as ways to evaluate the merits of sites. At the end: "Despite Turbosquid's low royalties, they get an incredible amount of traffic, meaning if you do manage to carve out a niche there you can make some real money."
https://www.lifewire.com/where-to-sell-your-3d-models-2066 (https://www.lifewire.com/where-to-sell-your-3d-models-2066)
Various thoughts on income-earning potential from former employees, contributors and buyers
https://inspirationtuts.com/is-selling-3d-models-worth-it/ (https://inspirationtuts.com/is-selling-3d-models-worth-it/)
TurboSquid comes across like the Shutterstock of its market segment - high volume, low royalty rate, widely used. This article mentions they've been around for 20 years, but it's a small organization. Haven't found anything that explained why TurboSquid is for sale.
https://www.creativebloq.com/advice/how-to-sell-your-3d-assets-online (https://www.creativebloq.com/advice/how-to-sell-your-3d-assets-online)
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/turbosquid (https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/turbosquid)
https://craft.co/turbosquid (https://craft.co/turbosquid)
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The way i see it:
1) first we actually don't need to buy to many 3d models because we use photogrammetry to create models. Its better and more realistic. I have been doing this for at least 2 years for simple models and it works fine.
2) 2nd because artists use AI sw too so no need to use mstock services. For example, Nowadays you don't need real people you can use some GAN Ai services and create a face that doesn't exist. Photo shoots are much more easier and cheap than rent studio, hire people and real models. We can do it almost everything in a Pc with a 3d environment.
So they can eventually do what contributors done in past but in future we eventually don't need at some point microstock services too. But i also think that in terms of Photography there is always space to fulfill for documentary and news. No AI can do this.
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For example, Nowadays you don't need real people you can use some GAN Ai services and create a face that doesn't exist. Photo shoots are much more easier and cheap than rent studio, hire people and real models. We can do it almost everything in a Pc with a 3d environment.
I think photo-realistic CG models in lifestyle shots is still a bit of a long way off. I don't think I've ever seen one, let alone enough for it to be commonplace.
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I could totally tell that wasn’t really Princess Leia at the end of Rogue One :D
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For example, Nowadays you don't need real people you can use some GAN Ai services and create a face that doesn't exist. Photo shoots are much more easier and cheap than rent studio, hire people and real models. We can do it almost everything in a Pc with a 3d environment.
I think photo-realistic CG models in lifestyle shots is still a bit of a long way off. I don't think I've ever seen one, let alone enough for it to be commonplace.
Agree. I saw some in a catalogue (paper/online) I use. At first I thought, "What's wrong with that woman? She looks like she's totally drugged up" then I realised it was CG: which is understandable just now with the pandemic, but I hope they go back to real models. The clothes don't really 'hang properly' (!) as well as the bland faces. Pretty offputting.
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For example, Nowadays you don't need real people you can use some GAN Ai services and create a face that doesn't exist. Photo shoots are much more easier and cheap than rent studio, hire people and real models. We can do it almost everything in a Pc with a 3d environment.
I think photo-realistic CG models in lifestyle shots is still a bit of a long way off. I don't think I've ever seen one, let alone enough for it to be commonplace.
There's already plenty of models 3D scanned with fotorealistic details selling for less than 10$. you can find that in tbsquid, cgtrader and others. Also you can buy cloths or create them in marvelous designer. In terms of body positions you can use Mixamo or rokoko to make the mocaps. And if you use Ai Gan to make a new face like this https://generated.photos/faces . Just apply to new body with zbrush to retouch model and match/tune color with substance sw.
For animations i think improve needs to be made but for photos? - I bet you won't tell the difference between real and Ai.
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For example, Nowadays you don't need real people you can use some GAN Ai services and create a face that doesn't exist. Photo shoots are much more easier and cheap than rent studio, hire people and real models. We can do it almost everything in a Pc with a 3d environment.
I think photo-realistic CG models in lifestyle shots is still a bit of a long way off. I don't think I've ever seen one, let alone enough for it to be commonplace.
There's already plenty of models 3D scanned with fotorealistic details selling for less than 10$. you can find that in tbsquid, cgtrader and others. Also you can buy cloths or create them in marvelous designer. In terms of body positions you can use Mixamo or rokoko to make the mocaps. And if you use Ai Gan to make a new face like this https://generated.photos/faces . Just apply to new body with zbrush to retouch model and match/tune color with substance sw.
For animations i think improve needs to be made but for photos? - I bet you won't tell the difference between real and Ai.
Wow, those look real. I’d never know they were CG.
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There's already plenty of models 3D scanned with fotorealistic details selling for less than 10$.
I'm on about full humans in natural poses in lifestyle shots, not passport photos. I think you'd be hard pressed to find an example of a stock shot of a group of CG humans having a business meeting, cooking dinner, at the pub etc? Like this for example...
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/young-family-children-having-fun-nature-592802372 (https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/young-family-children-having-fun-nature-592802372)
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hi, do you know https://renderpeople.com/ ? i think this will answer half of your question. there's a lot of lifestyle, business etc. Some are rigged and some are posed. you can buy one for 39$ or a bundle for 279$. My last post was the workflow process to match the needs of changing/create new face or body for 3d model.
So my point is this: 3d scanned models (photogrammetry) combined with machine learning Ai can build a lot of humans in poses that doesn't exist. Roughly same process of face generator but you have to scan T-poses of body instead of just face. So you only have to pick the one you like more in thousands made in secs. During october 2019 I already saw some tests of AI Gan but were made to create characters and not real people. Therefore these renderpeople companies will be the new microstock agencies since they can offer better solutions that single photo of "Young family with children having fun in nature" can't if a client wants this people having fun but in different park or even now at home because of pandemic.
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hi, do you know https://renderpeople.com/ ? i think this will answer half of your question. there's a lot of lifestyle, business etc. Some are rigged and some are posed. you can buy one for 39$ or a bundle for 279$. My last post was the workflow process to match the needs of changing/create new face or body for 3d model.
So my point is this: 3d scanned models (photogrammetry) combined with machine learning Ai can build a lot of humans in poses that doesn't exist. Roughly same process of face generator but you have to scan T-poses of body instead of just face. So you only have to pick the one you like more in thousands made in secs. During october 2019 I already saw some tests of AI Gan but were made to create characters and not real people. Therefore these renderpeople companies will be the new microstock agencies since they can offer better solutions that single photo of "Young family with children having fun in nature" can't if a client wants this people having fun but in different park or even now at home because of pandemic.
While this will eventually be the way for production facilities to make their own custom "people", I suppose there will be more of an on demand market, where someone pays for the right model in the right pose in the chosen setting. And I have to agree, this eliminates models, saves time and will replace most of the need for photography.
However real people, when they need someone specific and also news, will still be an area that needs photographers.
I took a glance, their sets are impressive. This was entertaining: With our 250 DSLR camera setup, Renderpeople owns one of the most advanced photogrammetry 3D scanners in the world. Wow cool, then trigger 250 cameras at once? It's fun to imagine that continuous power setup and the snake of wires involved. Oh wait and lighting.
TurboSquid comes across like the Shutterstock of its market segment - high volume, low royalty rate, widely used. This article mentions they've been around for 20 years, but it's a small organization. Haven't found anything that explained why TurboSquid is for sale.
Everything is for sale if someone is willing to pay the right price. They didn't have to be For Sale if someone at SS decided, they wanted to own them. Just a matter of paying enough?
Thanks for all the links and interesting background.
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Hi,
Just recover this thread to update you people how things are going in terms of using AI human realistic 3d models. I found this on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Exayvv6BkI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Exayvv6BkI)) and it's pretty amazing what we can do already if we merge SSGI plug in with https://generated.photos/faces (https://generated.photos/faces) in Blender 3d software.
I think in a year or two most this will start to be a common practice for at least commercial photos.
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The way i see it:
1) first we actually don't need to buy to many 3d models because we use photogrammetry to create models. Its better and more realistic. I have been doing this for at least 2 years for simple models and it works fine.
2) 2nd because artists use AI sw too so no need to use mstock services. For example, Nowadays you don't need real people you can use some GAN Ai services and create a face that doesn't exist. Photo shoots are much more easier and cheap than rent studio, hire people and real models. We can do it almost everything in a Pc with a 3d environment.
So they can eventually do what contributors done in past but in future we eventually don't need at some point microstock services too. But i also think that in terms of Photography there is always space to fulfill for documentary and news. No AI can do this.
Ah, Big Brother will then select suitable news images from his 100% covering...
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I don't use TurboSquid to buy or sell 3d modeling. I mostly use CGTrader for buying/selling 3d modeling.
sometimes I use other 3d model websites (https://www.cginspiringartist.com/3d-models//) such as flipped normals, hum3d, etc.