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aly

« on: December 30, 2013, 19:39 »
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The last 2 weeks in SS  I have had ALL images rejected for same reasons-POOR lighting, INCORRECT white balance, POOR composition- and I am utterly at a loss after spending HOURS in RAW Bridge and PS ! What is the problem? I am thinking of not submitting any more.
PS-similar images accepted in recent past.Is it a BOT or WHAT???


ShadySue

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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2013, 19:45 »
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http://www.microstockgroup.com/shutterstock-com/inconsistent-reviewing

etc.
(Check out past threads on the Shutterstock forum here.)

« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2013, 19:48 »
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post for a critique on their forums - sometimes seeing something from someone elses perpective teaches us something new.
but all things said, I think we have all been hammered with the 100% rejection at one point or another

Ed

« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2013, 19:49 »
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This has happened for years....usually it's around the time that school is out on break.

Christmas Break
Spring Break
Summer

Initially, I thought it was a student that is a reviewer.  This has gone on long enough that I think it's someone who's full time job is a teacher/professor.

Wait until school is back in session.  ;)

aly

« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2013, 01:53 »
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Poor Lighting--Image has exposure issues and/or incorrect white balance. Please advise me as I have spent hours in RAW Bridge and PS  ans used white dropper/ grey dropper, etc and am still  getting everything rejected. Thanks.

« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2013, 02:22 »
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yes, those are the latest flavors for rejections -- I get them often - I submit in batches, spreading similar over several batches - many that are rejected by 1 reviewer for lighting/composition are accepted by the next one on the similar. 

I run the rejects thru PS, doing an auto levels adjustment and they usually get accepted

it's a big waste of time on all parts

« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2013, 04:29 »
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First picture has harsh shadows blown high lights and I would suggest if you got a  lot lower the composition would have been much improved. The second picture doesnt ring true. Strong blue sky and grey water. Also would have been better without the structure on the left. The last one I don't understand why you took the picture so its hard to comment on. If I might suggest you read up on composition. Look at good art and photography to see how and why things are put together the way they are. A technically perfect photo can still be useless whereas good subject spacing and light   
make all the difference.

Ron

« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2013, 04:41 »
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I have to agree with the reviewer on the 3 images shown here.

Goofy

« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2013, 05:07 »
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Also I question the 'commercial value' on these images.  They fall into LCV images at least in my view finder...

« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2013, 13:45 »
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To test the SS waters I took a simple "nature" shot. Nothing Pulitzer Prize winning but a few potential sales down the road nevertheless. The image was rejected for the obligatory reasons: "poor lighting", "Poor composition", "Your image is out of focus or not where we feel it should be"....

Without readjusting framing, focus or lighting, I submitted a video clip as well. It was accepted.

The simple truth is: SS doesn't want my image because they know it won't generate high demand which makes me wish they'd adopt DP's approach: "We don't feel your image is commercially acceptable". The simple truth instead of technical
garble is a far more truthful approach that I can live with. If you don't think your agency can sell the image then don't accept it but don't apply erroneous/untruthful reasons for rejecting my submission. 

The image BTW was accepted by DT, DP and 123RF.

Ron

« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2013, 14:19 »
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They had the rejection its was called the LCV rejection and SS did away with it. Any image technically in order will get accepted.

« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2013, 14:42 »
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They had the rejection its was called the LCV rejection and SS did away with it. Any image technically in order will get accepted.

however images are also rejected for "composition' - which is a subjective call similar to LCV

Ron

« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2013, 14:43 »
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I consider composition to be a part of the technical aspects.

ShadySue

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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2013, 14:51 »
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They had the rejection its was called the LCV rejection and SS did away with it. Any image technically in order will get accepted.

however images are also rejected for "composition' - which is a subjective call similar to LCV
And is totally moot for stock, as composing for stock may or may not require a lot more space for copy than a traditional composition, other files may be cropped to fit space, and some may be used 'as is'.

« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2013, 15:32 »
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I get the impression SS just doesn't want nature shots. Most of my nature shots are rejected by both FT and SS. I pick only the cream of the crop, and then do a lot of additional work in Photoshop. Beautiful photos, they just don't want them.

I upload mainly illustrations, most of which get accepted, but uploading photos is so depressing. I get the message, they just don't want nature shots. I don't do people shots or studio shots, so there is really no point in my uploading photos. It's a bummer, because I really enjoy photography. I use my photos as elements in my illustrations, so I guess I'll just stick to using them there.  :-\

« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2013, 16:25 »
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I have to agree with the reviewer on those three.

The first is really harsh lighting, and SS hates shadows.  And the composition is poor.  Never put the subject dead center.  I know the buyer can crop how they want, but the reviewer is going to reject it.

The second, has shadows in the rocks, the horizon is tilted and colors look off.

The third, the tops of the trees are cut off.  Not sure what this is a shot of, if the wall and palm trees then it should be much tighter, if the whole scene then you need the tree tops.

Just my opinion.

SS does occasionally reject whole batches for seemingly no reason, I have had it myself.  If you really feel the images were good, then either correct the flaws mentioned and resubmit with a note that they were rejected before and are now 'fixed' or send and email with the batch number to SS and politely ask for a second look.

I have asked for a re-review several times and have always gotten a polite reply and second review, sometimes all images accepted, sometimes a note saying they agree with the reviewer.

marthamarks

« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2013, 16:37 »
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I get the impression SS just doesn't want nature shots.


Sorry, but I really don't feel that's the case. I have a portfolio on SS of over 1400 photos. The vast majority of them fall into the "nature" category, and yes, they do sell. Not as much as slick studio shots of gorgeous models or fabulous food. But, they do sell.

Don't believe me? Take a look: http://www.shutterstock.com/g/marthamarks


ShadySue

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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2013, 16:46 »
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I get the impression SS just doesn't want nature shots.


Sorry, but I really don't feel that's the case. I have a portfolio on SS of over 1400 photos. The vast majority of them fall into the "nature" category, and yes, they do sell. Not as much as slick studio shots of gorgeous models or fabulous food. But, they do sell.

Don't believe me? Take a look: http://www.shutterstock.com/g/marthamarks


Martha, your pics are good, but I think this maybe shows the North American bias of buyers. I know people who have (or had, at least one has pulled her port) UK nature on SS. I haven't heard of them having a lot of rejection issues (but haven't bumped into any of them for a few months now), but they don't sell well, and the quality of their images are well up to yours.

« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2013, 16:55 »
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I get the impression SS just doesn't want nature shots.


Sorry, but I really don't feel that's the case. I have a portfolio on SS of over 1400 photos. The vast majority of them fall into the "nature" category, and yes, they do sell. Not as much as slick studio shots of gorgeous models or fabulous food. But, they do sell.

Don't believe me? Take a look: http://www.shutterstock.com/g/marthamarks


But what percentage of your nature shots get accepted? What is the trick to getting nature shots accepted? My nature shots have around a 90% rejection rate at SS, probably a 98% rejection rate at FT. Also, very few of my nature shots feature animals - could that could be a factor?

When I started at Microstock back in 2004, I was submitting photos only. As time went on, the micros literally killed my enthusiasm for photography, so I gradually switched to illustration.  Once in a great while I'll upload photos, but if I weren't primarily an illustrator, I think there's a good chance I'd have walked away from microstock by now.

Uncle Pete

« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2013, 17:34 »
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North American Bias? Less than 10% of my sales are in North America. Martha can answer for hers. But she does produce something much better than snapshots in the wild. Many are animals in their natural habitat. I think that when people say "Nature shots" it's a pretty broad brush to say, some agency likes or doesn't like them.

That would be like saying pictures of people sell well. Yes, if it's a well designed, well exposed shot, with some sort of theme or message. If it's a person and it says nothing, buyers won't DL it, just because it has a person in it.

OP let me give a much shorter answer and it was in most of the replies.

Harsh Shadows you will always get rejections on SS. Composition is 100% subjective = LCV which others have pointed out. Color balance, you could have perfect, but if the reviewer thinks that it's supposed to be a different tone, you'll get the color balance rejection.

Keep at it, hope you get more accepted.


I get the impression SS just doesn't want nature shots.


Sorry, but I really don't feel that's the case. I have a portfolio on SS of over 1400 photos. The vast majority of them fall into the "nature" category, and yes, they do sell. Not as much as slick studio shots of gorgeous models or fabulous food. But, they do sell.

Don't believe me? Take a look: http://www.shutterstock.com/g/marthamarks


Martha, your pics are good, but I think this maybe shows the North American bias of buyers. I know people who have (or had, at least one has pulled her port) UK nature on SS. I haven't heard of them having a lot of rejection issues (but haven't bumped into any of them for a few months now), but they don't sell well, and the quality of their images are well up to yours.

marthamarks

« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2013, 17:38 »
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But what percentage of your nature shots get accepted? What is the trick to getting nature shots accepted? My nature shots have around a 90% rejection rate at SS, probably a 98% rejection rate at FT. Also, very few of my nature shots feature animals - could that could be a factor?

Hi Allsa,

In general, I don't keep track of my acceptance ratio. (Except on DT, which kindly tracks it for me and now tells me it's 68% overall since I started with them in 2010.) But on SS, I'm sure it's higher. I'd guess 75-80%.

The situation is very different with FT. There's a thread on MSG somewhere where I bitched and moaned last summer that I'd uploaded my entire port on FT (as a newbie there) and they accepted 18%.

At present, I have 1404 images on SS, 956 on DT, and 288 on FT. All from the same set of images. But I'm not currently uploading to any of them. Been focusing on my own Symbiostock site, where I'm the judge and jury and a pretty tough one at that. :) It currently offers 1490 images but a couple hundred of those are "exclusives" on that site, the result of an extended trip this fall. I may never offer them to SS, DT, FT, etc.

There's no single "trick" to getting nature shots accepted, but here's my advice: Produce the very best work you can, with the very best gear you can afford. Be ruthless in your self-critique. If an image is flawed, don't submit it. And don't submit anything that looks like a tourist snapshot (which I suspect is common in landscape photograph). Forever work at getting better. It helps a lot if you genuinely love the kind of photography you've chosen to do.

I don't think it's necessary to include animals in a pic to get accepted. Plenty of fabulous photo-artists do only landscapes. And if by "animals" you mean wild birds and other critters, be aware that your equipment needs will likely be even higher. I make almost all my wildlife images with a Canon 500 L f4 lens. It took me many years to be able to justify buying that lens, but it has made an immense difference in the quality of my work.

And finally, remember... I've been doing this a long, long time. Decades.

Good luck!

lisafx

« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2013, 17:39 »
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Also I question the 'commercial value' on these images.  They fall into LCV images at least in my view finder...

I think this is the bottom line.  They just don't need more flowers, landscapes, etc. unless they are spectacular.  Although the shadows are harsh and the white blown,  I don't think the exposure was the main reasons for the rejection - just the most convenient button for the reviewer. 

Do they even have a "low commercial value" rejection at SS? 
« Last Edit: December 31, 2013, 17:43 by lisafx »

ShadySue

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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2013, 17:45 »
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North American Bias? Less than 10% of my sales are in North America.

What percentage have North American subjects?
So you sell a lot of nature?

marthamarks

« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2013, 17:51 »
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North American Bias? Less than 10% of my sales are in North America. Martha can answer for hers. But she does produce something much better than snapshots in the wild. Many are animals in their natural habitat.

Actually, thanks to SS's "sales map", I see that about half of my sales are outside the US. Lots are sold in Europe and Asia, fewer (but still some) in South America and Africa.

And in truth, 99% of the critters I shoot are in their natural habitat. I don't do zoos, farms, pets, etc, although in my port I have got 1 horse, 1 longhorn steer, and 1 bird-hunting cat that struck my fancy at some point when I was out with my camera.  ;)

marthamarks

« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2013, 18:01 »
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North American Bias? Less than 10% of my sales are in North America.

What percentage have North American subjects?

I can't speak for Uncle Pete, but for myself 100% of my images are of North American subjects. That's what I've chosen to do.

And I know that was the point you were making earlier: there may be a bias in favor of North American subjects, regardless of where the buyer happens to live.


 

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