Author Topic: Start selling on Zoonar (Read 8393 times)

cla78 · « **on:** June 20, 2010, 05:18 »

Hi, I'd like start selling My photo on Zoonar.com But I have a question: can I sell photo that I'm already selling on other microstock agency (like istockphoto,shutterstock...)?
Thanks

etienjones · « **Reply #1 on:** June 20, 2010, 05:48 »

Sure, if they are RF images. Zoonar also sells RM images so don't get them mixed up . . . know the difference, Zoonar does both.

Michael Krabs · « **Reply #2 on:** June 22, 2010, 16:51 »

The Zoonar-RM-Licence is a tlittle different to other agencys. You can enable RF, but you can`t disable RM. Many Photographers are astonished about that first.

We don`t offer any exklusiv RM-Licences or stoppages of photo sellings for a time. That`s why our RM Licence is NEVER be in conflict with other RF-Licences at zoonar or anywhere else. So you can sell all RF-Photos at Zoonar with RM too without having problems with other photo agencys. Our RM only means "one using". Nothing more.

But you should not enable RF at Zoonar (or somewhere else) if you the have same Photos at RM-Licence in other picture agencys. Because most agencys offer exclusiv usings with RM-Licenses and a RF-Licence can never be used exclusive...

ap · « **Reply #3 on:** June 22, 2010, 17:07 »

Quote from: Michael Krabs on June 22, 2010, 16:51

The Zoonar-RM-Licence is a tlittle different to other agencys. You can enable RF, but you can`t disable RM. Many Photographers are astonished about that first.

We don`t offer any exklusiv RM-Licences or stoppages of photo sellings for a time. That`s why our RM Licence is NEVER be in conflict with other RF-Licences at zoonar or anywhere else. So you can sell all RF-Photos at Zoonar with RM too without having problems with other photo agencys. Our RM only means "one using". Nothing more.

But you should not enable RF at Zoonar (or somewhere else) if you the have same Photos at RM-Licence in other picture agencys. Because most agencys offer exclusiv usings with RM-Licenses and a RF-Licence can never be used exclusive...

thanks for explaining your rf/rm differentiation. it is astonishing that you can have both on the same photo at zonar.

so, you don't mind if a photo is selling rf elsewhere (like most microstock) and resell it at zonar as rm? since you can't disable the rm license, can you sell the photo as both rf and rm at zonar? this is a little confusing to me.

won't zonar's rm buyers be a little upset that they are paying rm prices and no exclusivity for rf pictures?

Michael Krabs · « **Reply #4 on:** June 23, 2010, 06:57 »

For RF-Licence the buyers pay +100% ... All Prices you see are just RM. So we are a little bit more expansive than other microstocks.

RM is a single licence for only ONE using. RF is for more then one Usings (there are some restrictions too, RF don`t means that the customers can do what they want. But that is normal business in all photo agencys).

I promise that we implement some more Licence-Informations direct into the site (Picture-Detail-Site, Sale-Process). The new Merchandising Licence (+100%) has to be better explained too. In these days after the Relaunch there is a lot to do for our developers team.

cla78 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 23, 2010, 15:16 »

too complex for me...

madelaide · « **Reply #6 on:** June 23, 2010, 16:19 »

Does Zoonar use the term "RM" for this "one-time-use RF"? Because this can be confusing for people who are used to the common RM terms and therefore do not expect the image will be also sold as RF. RM generally implies we can guarantee the image has not been used in a specific condition.

Nothing against the "one-time-use RF" concept - on the contrary, this is what microstock should be about, IMHO - but I think the expression "RM" should not be used out of its common meaning.

cascoly · « **Reply #7 on:** June 23, 2010, 17:57 »

Quote from: madelaide on June 23, 2010, 16:19

Does Zoonar use the term "RM" for this "one-time-use RF"? Because this can be confusing for people who are used to the common RM terms and therefore do not expect the image will be also sold as RF. RM generally implies we can guarantee the image has not been used in a specific condition.

Nothing against the "one-time-use RF" concept - on the contrary, this is what microstock should be about, IMHO - but I think the expression "RM" should not be used out of its common meaning.

RM originally did not mean exclusive; like RF also, usage varies, there's no legal definition

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madelaide · « **Reply #8 on:** June 23, 2010, 20:27 »

Quote from: cascoly on June 23, 2010, 17:57

RM originally did not mean exclusive; like RF also, usage varies, there's no legal definition

And I don't mean exclusive. But RM is normally understood as a license for a specific use, geographical cover and for a defined period, with or without exclusivity (the exclusivity may be even regional only). Using RM for a "single-time use" is not totally incorrect, but as the image is being sold as RF, there is no way to track its usage like in a "real" RM license, therefore I think the term RM should not be used not to make confusion.

Michael Krabs · « **Reply #9 on:** June 24, 2010, 09:11 »

That`s right, RM has more restrictions then RF. That`s why you pay more for RF (+100%) at zoonar. But there is no reason not to sold a photo one time with RM and later to another costumer with RF. Every costumer gets the Licence he need. The RM restrictions at zoonar are not disable RF-Sales at Zoonar. There are no "restriction-conflicts". For example: One user needs a photo just for german speaking countries. He buy a RM-Licence and can use this photo once in this region. Another User can buy the same Photo with RF-Licence and use this photo worldwide. But he have to pay more for this Licence. That is no problem.

The only Problem is: You can`t offer Photos, that you have at other agencys with RM-Licence in RF-Licence at Zoonar (or anywhere else in RF). That`s why RF is only an additional option at zoonar. But our RM-Licences didn`t contain rights that`s disabled RF sales anywhere...

Hope this helps....

madelaide · « **Reply #10 on:** June 25, 2010, 17:00 »

RM first, RF later, that may work. But once an image is sold as RF, there is no way we can guarantee a specific RM usage that a buyer may request. It may noy always be an issue, but it is still a limitation.

But nevermind, it seems we have different understandings about the licenses. It's your site, do whatever you want.

ap · « **Reply #11 on:** June 25, 2010, 17:02 »

is there an universal definition of rm and rf, contained in some official document or overseeing body? or is it going by whatever an agency defines for their buyers in their contract?

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