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« Reply #50 on: August 21, 2012, 18:05 »
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Do you have lots of money for marketing, like a couple million bucks?

No, not a couple million. Frankly, if I had a couple million I probably wouldn't be looking into starting another business venture.

I realize marketing is important and expensive. Do you have any thoughts on the marketing subject?
Well, after having read your posts, it's evident you are not a business person and this project has no future.   You are just trying to make some easy money.


ICP

« Reply #51 on: August 21, 2012, 18:11 »
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I would appreciate any/all feedback from everyone with some time to do so. Good, bad and indifferent...it's all good...and you can't hurt my feelings.
You asked for feedback from everyone...  That's what you are getting.    ;D

You're exactly right. I asked for it. And I appreciate it, all of it. While the "run away while you still can" posts have made themselves clear, I am not going to run away. It's much easier to simply say "no" and walk away instead of opening the mind some and working for a bit of reward.

I prefer to open up a little and find a way to make something work. I won't stop before it starts. For such a creative group of people I'm surprised to see such closed-minded language.

Smile a little. We have it good. Most of us are making a living off taking pictures and drawing.

ICP

« Reply #52 on: August 21, 2012, 18:15 »
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Do you have lots of money for marketing, like a couple million bucks?

No, not a couple million. Frankly, if I had a couple million I probably wouldn't be looking into starting another business venture.

I realize marketing is important and expensive. Do you have any thoughts on the marketing subject?
Well, after having read your posts, it's evident you are not a business person and this project has no future.   You are just trying to make some easy money.

OK, OK. I tried to respond to what I thought was a tounge-in-cheek message with another bit of tounge-in-cheek. I apologize for not coming across seriously enough in my first post, I was trying to be casually conversational. Can we move on and assume I am serious?

ICP

« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2012, 18:17 »
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Now, can we get back to the questions I asked at the top of page 2?

« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2012, 18:19 »
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...Smile a little. We have it good. Most of us are making a living off taking pictures and drawing.
I think you've vastly overestimated the amount of money "most of us" make.  There's very few people making a living from this and it's getting harder every year.

If you are genuine, I still can't see the point when we already have Warmpicture doing virtually the same thing.  Why not work with Dan on that site?  It looks like there's very little money to be made with these sites at the moment and they aren't going to attract many buyers.  Having two similar ones paying all the fees and for marketing seems like a waste of resources.  I'll stick with Warmpicture unless you come up with something that has more appeal to buyers.

ICP

« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2012, 18:38 »
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...Smile a little. We have it good. Most of us are making a living off taking pictures and drawing.
I think you've vastly overestimated the amount of money "most of us" make.  There's very few people making a living from this and it's getting harder every year.

If you are genuine, I still can't see the point when we already have Warmpicture doing virtually the same thing.  Why not work with Dan on that site?  It looks like there's very little money to be made with these sites at the moment and they aren't going to attract many buyers.  Having two similar ones paying all the fees and for marketing seems like a waste of resources.  I'll stick with Warmpicture unless you come up with something that has more appeal to buyers.

I'll definitely check out Warmpicture. I'm always open to seeing a better way to do things. I see a common thread in your posts here: "come up with something that has more appeal to buyers". Do you have any ideas or thoughts regarding this?

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2012, 18:50 »
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I'll definitely check out Warmpicture. I'm always open to seeing a better way to do things. I see a common thread in your posts here: "come up with something that has more appeal to buyers". Do you have any ideas or thoughts regarding this?
Better search; weed out spam; better search.

« Reply #57 on: August 21, 2012, 19:00 »
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Is this yours http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-3613p1.html   ?

One thing you should know is that big agencies don't like contributors who own an agency.  So, they will probably close your account if your site www.incolorphotos.com starts working as an agency.   

ICP

« Reply #58 on: August 21, 2012, 19:10 »
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I'll definitely check out Warmpicture. I'm always open to seeing a better way to do things. I see a common thread in your posts here: "come up with something that has more appeal to buyers". Do you have any ideas or thoughts regarding this?
Better search; weed out spam; better search.

What would make for a better search?

Do you mean better than everyone else's or better implementation of the search on my site?

ICP

« Reply #59 on: August 21, 2012, 19:11 »
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Is this yours http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-3613p1.html   ?

One thing you should know is that big agencies don't like contributors who own an agency.  So, they will probably close your account if your site www.incolorphotos.com starts working as an agency.   


No. That's not me.

« Reply #60 on: August 21, 2012, 19:13 »
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I'll definitely check out Warmpicture. I'm always open to seeing a better way to do things. I see a common thread in your posts here: "come up with something that has more appeal to buyers". Do you have any ideas or thoughts regarding this?

It makes me nervous having you ask people to upload their high rez images to you, and then have you ask US to tell you how to run your business. If I knew the answers to your questions on how to make a site successful, get buyers, etc. , I'd be doing my own and not contributing to yours.

I wish you a lot of luck on your venture. I'm one of those "sit back and see what happens first" kind of people.


ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #62 on: August 21, 2012, 19:19 »
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I'll definitely check out Warmpicture. I'm always open to seeing a better way to do things. I see a common thread in your posts here: "come up with something that has more appeal to buyers". Do you have any ideas or thoughts regarding this?
Better search; weed out spam; better search.

What would make for a better search?
"Weed out spam."

Do you mean better than everyone else's or better implementation of the search on my site?
Better than every one else's.
In theory, iStock's is currently best, but in practice, spamming trumps the best match, though BM2 was supposed to thwart spam.
Controlled vocabulary is really the way to go IMO, but I believe they're very expensive to buy in.

ICP

« Reply #63 on: August 21, 2012, 19:20 »
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I'll definitely check out Warmpicture. I'm always open to seeing a better way to do things. I see a common thread in your posts here: "come up with something that has more appeal to buyers". Do you have any ideas or thoughts regarding this?

It makes me nervous having you ask people to upload their high rez images to you, and then have you ask US to tell you how to run your business. If I knew the answers to your questions on how to make a site successful, get buyers, etc. , I'd be doing my own and not contributing to yours.

I wish you a lot of luck on your venture. I'm one of those "sit back and see what happens first" kind of people.

Why would you be nervous? I can't steal your work. I'm not asking people to tell me how to run my business, I'm simply trying determine if anyone has some feedback regarding the shortcomings of the microstock agency world (and there does appear to be some shortcomings). I would like to not repeat other's mistakes...if at all possible.

« Reply #64 on: August 21, 2012, 19:20 »
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Is this yours http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-3613p1.html   ?

One thing you should know is that big agencies don't like contributors who own an agency.  So, they will probably close your account if your site www.incolorphotos.com starts working as an agency.   


No. That's not me.

Are you sure?   Images in your new website can be also found in the portfolio of Mark Bernard at http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-3613p1.html

ICP

« Reply #65 on: August 21, 2012, 19:26 »
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I'll definitely check out Warmpicture. I'm always open to seeing a better way to do things. I see a common thread in your posts here: "come up with something that has more appeal to buyers". Do you have any ideas or thoughts regarding this?
Better search; weed out spam; better search.

What would make for a better search?
"Weed out spam."

Do you mean better than everyone else's or better implementation of the search on my site?
Better than every one else's.
In theory, iStock's is currently best, but in practice, spamming trumps the best match, though BM2 was supposed to thwart spam.
Controlled vocabulary is really the way to go IMO, but I believe they're very expensive to buy in.

I realize there's a lot more to it, but for starters wouldn't you control spam by requiring a short, concise keyword lists? Like iStock now does.

« Reply #66 on: August 21, 2012, 19:28 »
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You are not being honest!

Domain name: INCOLORPHOTOS.COM

Registrant:
 Mark Bernard
 1309 35th Street
 Sacramento, CA 95816
 US

You are Mark Bernard and you do own this portfolio at Shutterstock: http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-3613p1.html and this one at iStock: http://istockphoto.com/user_view.php?id=1709548
 
« Last Edit: August 21, 2012, 19:46 by Digital66 »


ICP

« Reply #67 on: August 21, 2012, 19:30 »
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Is this yours http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-3613p1.html   ?

One thing you should know is that big agencies don't like contributors who own an agency.  So, they will probably close your account if your site www.incolorphotos.com starts working as an agency.   


No. That's not me.

Are you sure?   Images in your new website can be also found in the portfolio of Mark Bernard at http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-3613p1.html


Right. There is more than one of us in this. Hopefully more soon.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #68 on: August 21, 2012, 19:45 »
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I realize there's a lot more to it, but for starters wouldn't you control spam by requiring a short, concise keyword lists? Like iStock now does.
I'm not sure 50 is 'short and concise', and I see that certain contributors seem to think that 'up to 50' means 'you must use 50 even if it's an apple isolated on white'. I think I've gone up to 50 an absolute maximum of 20 times, and I really doubt if it's even 10.
The trouble without a CV is that you can't second guess what a potential buyer might search on. Sometimes I'm astounded at what people search for (i.e. the search terms they use) and wonder what on earth they wanted, or expected. And these are the 'big buyers', not Nadia Newsearch. E.g. one search I got was for 'Margaret'. H*ll, what did they want from that? (Plus on Alamy that would turn up all images from contributors named Margaret ...) I guess 'senior leg' must mean something, but what? Mis-spellings too: I had one for man ringing hand. I bet they wanted a man wringing his hands. I've actually seen quite a lot of mis-spellings in Alamy search reports, leading to some odd results, no doubt.
Would you have variant spellings, e.g. British English vs US English? What about languages - would you encourage people to keyword at least their most important words in several languages (more keyword checking) to encourage a global market, or are you only targetting customers who can search in English? How will you work it so that someone searching e.g. 'Wheat' won't get hit with photos depicting Wheat Street? How will you encourage contributors to be less parochial, e.g. not just keywording Robin, but being specific about whether they mean European, American or any of the less well known ones? That probably matters to potential buyers, but a remarkable number of micro contributors haven't a clue about anything outwith their own locality. Or they know they haven't a clue and list a whole load of e.g. fish species hoping to hit the right one, and sometimes none of them are correct.
These are just trivial examples. You'll no doubt know tons more yourself.

ICP

« Reply #69 on: August 21, 2012, 19:45 »
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Here are some of my findings which I hope might be useful written in a patronising form for the sake of speed :)

You won't be able to take a holiday for the first two years at least - and you won't want to.
You will need to keep expectations low and keep under the radar after launch whilst you learn how to run an agency.
You will really notice and appreciate the contributors putting in the time to help your project.
You won't be able to get behind test portfolios and their owners will be your most vocal critics.
You must have the full support of your immediate family, even if not directly involved they will have to make sacrifices too.

Above all you will need to enjoy your new job and you will only enjoy it if you can shape and control it - Ktools might not be up to the job in the longer term, that's just my opinion though.

I was up last night until 6AM due to someone in the southern hemisphere having a credit card issue which I needed to look into in case it turned out to be a wider site problem (which it wasn't thankfully & the customer got his image) - it will be your baby and you might have to skip sleep sometimes.

If no one here can talk you out of it then just do it, but I would consider writing your own code so you can deviate from the norm if you want to and when the time is right.

Good luck!

Yes, I am very familiar with all your points. Except the second, but I've been in and around the stock world long enough to (hopefully) have a good go at it.

I've had and moved on from three developers. I can't seem to find someone reliable. Photostore will suffice for now...

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #70 on: August 21, 2012, 19:48 »
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Photostore will suffice for now...
I know nothing abut Photostore, but 'suffice for now' generally either means it never gets changed, or size makes a change imperatie, with inevitable nightmare scenarios during the switch to a new system, which is almost like starting from scratch, except you have many times more files to deal with.

ICP

« Reply #71 on: August 21, 2012, 19:56 »
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I realize there's a lot more to it, but for starters wouldn't you control spam by requiring a short, concise keyword lists? Like iStock now does.
I'm not sure 50 is 'short and concise', and I see that certain contributors seem to think that 'up to 50' means 'you must use 50 even if it's an apple isolated on white'. I think I've gone up to 50 an absolute maximum of 20 times, and I really doubt if it's even 10.
The trouble without a CV is that you can't second guess what a potential buyer might search on. Sometimes I'm astounded at what people search for (i.e. the search terms they use) and wonder what on earth they wanted, or expected. And these are the 'big buyers', not Nadia Newsearch. E.g. one search I got was for 'Margaret'. H*ll, what did they want from that? (Plus on Alamy that would turn up all images from contributors named Margaret ...) I guess 'senior leg' must mean something, but what? Mis-spellings too: I had one for man ringing hand. I bet they wanted a man wringing his hands. I've actually seen quite a lot of mis-spellings in Alamy search reports, leading to some odd results, no doubt.
Would you have variant spellings, e.g. British English vs US English? What about languages - would you encourage people to keyword at least their most important words in several languages (more keyword checking) to encourage a global market, or are you only targetting customers who can search in English? How will you work it so that someone searching e.g. 'Wheat' won't get hit with photos depicting Wheat Street? How will you encourage contributors to be less parochial, e.g. not just keywording Robin, but being specific about whether they mean European, American or any of the less well known ones? That probably matters to potential buyers, but a remarkable number of micro contributors haven't a clue about anything outwith their own locality. Or they know they haven't a clue and list a whole load of e.g. fish species hoping to hit the right one, and sometimes none of them are correct.
These are just trivial examples. You'll no doubt know tons more yourself.

The last few uploads I saw to iStock kicked back a request to thin out the keywords. Which I think is a good idea...clear and concise makes for better keywords and search results.

Disallowing any sort of spamming or "not so relevant" keywords will help the buyer. I also plan to educate the buyers on the proper syntax for focussing and using the search engine.

ICP

« Reply #72 on: August 21, 2012, 20:04 »
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Photostore will suffice for now...
I know nothing abut Photostore, but 'suffice for now' generally either means it never gets changed, or size makes a change imperatie, with inevitable nightmare scenarios during the switch to a new system, which is almost like starting from scratch, except you have many times more files to deal with.

The system is open to change and when it needs to be updated I'll be working with developers to do what needs to be done. I think we can stay in front of it and avoid  any major system switches in the future. Judging by the feedback here, I'm not too concerned about the site running away from us (that was a tounge-in-cheek comment.)

ICP

« Reply #73 on: August 21, 2012, 20:14 »
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By the way... I'm checking out Warmpicture and it's also built on Ktools Photostore. Hopefully this will get me a little softer response from some of you... regarding Ktools anyway.

« Reply #74 on: August 21, 2012, 20:16 »
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Is this yours http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-3613p1.html   ?

One thing you should know is that big agencies don't like contributors who own an agency.  So, they will probably close your account if your site www.incolorphotos.com starts working as an agency.   


No. That's not me.

Do you still insist this is not you?:

INCOLORPHOTOS.COM
Registrant:  Mark Bernard
 1309 35th Street
 Sacramento, CA 95816
 US

Mark Bernard's portfolios:
Shutterstock: http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-3613p1.html
iStock: http://istockphoto.com/user_view.php?id=1709548

You are not being honest here.  And you expect people to trust you?


 

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