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Microstock Photography Forum - General => General Stock Discussion => Topic started by: stockastic on December 25, 2016, 11:59
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I haven't submitted anything to microstock in a long time and will probably never do so again. With about 300 old images online, my expectations are pretty low these days. But I'm thinking about starting the new year by cleaning house.
In the last couple of months DT has completely dried up; I barely made enough in December to pay for a latte. Time to end it.
For SS it's been a year of out-of-control spamming, junk portfolios getting side-loaded without inspection (like those 30,000 photos of pot), crazy rejections wasting everyone's time, and steadily declining sales for individual contributors. I've been waiting for them to make some "exciting announcement" about a new giveaway or royalty cut, but at this point they're in such chaos they probably wouldn't even announce it. So I'll dump them too.
I was ready to give up on Alamy after months without a sale, but got one a few days ago that netted me $10. I really have nothing against them, so I'll leave my stuff there.
The wild card, once again, is GL stock images. I thought the new ownership might take it somewhere, and I got a couple of sales after the transition, but it went cold. Unsure about this one.
Bottom line, I'm dropping SS and DT on New Year's Day.
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I haven't submitted anything to microstock in a long time and will probably never do so again. With about 300 old images online, my expectations are pretty low these days. But I'm thinking about starting the new year by cleaning house.
In the last couple of months DT has completely dried up; I barely made enough in December to pay for a latte. Time to end it.
For SS it's been a year of out-of-control spamming, junk portfolios getting side-loaded without inspection (like those 30,000 photos of pot), crazy rejections wasting everyone's time, and steadily declining sales for individual contributors. I've been waiting for them to make some "exciting announcement" about a new giveaway or royalty cut, but at this point they're in such chaos they probably wouldn't even announce it. So I'll dump them too.
I was ready to give up on Alamy after months without a sale, but got one a few days ago that netted me $10. I really have nothing against them, so I'll leave my stuff there.
The wild card, once again, is GL stock images. I thought the new ownership might take it somewhere, and I got a couple of sales after the transition, but it went cold. Unsure about this one.
Bottom line, I'm dropping SS and DT on New Year's Day.
Ok.
Too many words of frustrated person for 300 images online :) WHY anybody wasting their precious time for deleting whole portfolios or images on sites which sell at least once a year?? Are you really trying to penalize Shutterstock or Dreamstime this way?
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If you are dumping SS and DT I hope you've dumped a whole lot of other sites first. They are way way down on the list of worst offenders
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Dropped Fotolia, Photodune and IS long ago. Oh and 500px, of course.
A recent thread here on MSG helped me decide to drop DT and SS. It made me aware that microstocks are licensing photos to people who just resell them as 'art' on Amazon. These days, my efforts go into prints, mainly through FAA. If I lose just one or two print sales to some sleazeball on Amazon, I lose more than I'd make on DT all year. So it's an easy decision at this point.
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Fair enough. I wish you every success with your strategy in the year.
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Do you feel that by ditching the low selling sites, people will then be queuing up to buy your items at the other sites? If not, then I don't really see much point in deleting them. Still, each to their own.
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It seems most of us rather stay with the microstock agencies and keep moaning about them and when someone has the nerve to leave the agencies we criticize them. we re quite pathetic that way really
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It's very rare I moan about stock agencies, just in case you were referring to me. Probably 75% of the posts on here are critical of agencies... the same agencies that without which, most of us would be considerably worse off.
Sure, they wouldn't exist if it wasn't for us, but still... I guess it's a kind of chicken and the egg situation. I don't think it's that crazy to criticize somebody for making the choice to receive less money every year.
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It seems most of us rather stay with the microstock agencies and keep moaning about them and when someone has the nerve to leave the agencies we criticize them. we re quite pathetic that way really
I think "starting the new year by dropping a couple of losers" is pathetic title itself. If Shutterstock is a loser than who are you, stockastic and me then? Microstock is not about moaning and criticism, it's about work and business approach. 300 photos of medium to high commercial value is only a start and if a person got tired already then it's not Shutterstock spammers or IT issues. It's something else :)
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The best idea for you would be to quite micro stock completely. With 300 images and no uploads, it just doesn't work. You will have to upload lots of images regular.
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It seems most of us rather stay with the microstock agencies and keep moaning about them and when someone has the nerve to leave the agencies we criticize them. we re quite pathetic that way really
I would never criticise someone for quiting iS DP or BS. Was curious as to why someone would ditch ss or DT and not these. Turns out op wasn't doing that.
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good luck
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So you make more money with prints, good for you!
One way around that dilemma is too have different themes for the print market and the stock market.
There are plenty of people making money with both worlds, just depends how you organize yourself.
But if prints work for you, nothing wrong with making it your main focus.
But it is not the fault of the stock agencies that you don´t love the genre. stock is a distinct world of its own.
Art and stock both use cameras as a tool, but they are not the same.
A dentist and a builder both use a drill, but nobody is going to confuse the two.
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Though not the same drill I hope ;-). Agree if my focus was on quality art type stuff for the wall I don't think i'd be too worried about submitting that to Microstock. You have to be VERY good to be successful at it I think...sounds like you are so good luck!
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I have no idea why stockastic has spent so much time on this forum with such a small portfolio? The more you upload, the more you make and SS make more than any for most non-exclusives. I don't mind people complaining if they have put a lot of work in to this but if you don't do the work, microstock isn't worth it. A few people can make significant money with a portfolio that small but most of us mere mortals don't get much without submitting thousands of images.
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And what is your alternative, not having your work anywhere?
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I expected maybe a couple of "don't let the door hit you on the way out" posts but really, all these different opinions I'm seeing are fascinating.
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I still say that unless you're good/bad enough for Stocksy, it's just about whose BS you can or cannot tolerate. Everyone has their line, but it's different for all of us.
Vive la difference!
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It's January 1, and like I said, I'm ending it at DT and SS.
In December, I made much less on both sites than ever before; that's no surprise because I haven't submitted anything in a long time. What's more interesting is that on SS my December sales were 95% subs; and on DT that number was 100%. The few dollars I still make mean nothing compared to the anger I feel every time I think about how these companies are ripping me off. If you disagree, and still feel it's worthwhile, I get that. But personally I no longer want to support what I see as increasingly slimy, deceptive and poorly run businesses.
I just checked the SS and DT sites, and as expected, there's no simple way to just close your account and delete all your work. Instead you get a lot of weasel-words about 'deactivating' images, and at the end, a demand to "contact us" if you really just want to close. So I sent messages to support on both sites, requesting closure. I wonder how long this will end up taking.
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I haven't submitted anything to microstock in a long time and will probably never do so again. With about 300 old images online, my expectations are pretty low these days. But I'm thinking about starting the new year by cleaning house.
In the last couple of months DT has completely dried up; I barely made enough in December to pay for a latte. Time to end it.
For SS it's been a year of out-of-control spamming, junk portfolios getting side-loaded without inspection (like those 30,000 photos of pot), crazy rejections wasting everyone's time, and steadily declining sales for individual contributors. I've been waiting for them to make some "exciting announcement" about a new giveaway or royalty cut, but at this point they're in such chaos they probably wouldn't even announce it. So I'll dump them too.
I was ready to give up on Alamy after months without a sale, but got one a few days ago that netted me $10. I really have nothing against them, so I'll leave my stuff there.
The wild card, once again, is GL stock images. I thought the new ownership might take it somewhere, and I got a couple of sales after the transition, but it went cold. Unsure about this one.
Bottom line, I'm dropping SS and DT on New Year's Day.
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GL is on the chopping block for me. The ONLY site where I didn't get a sale in over a month with 6k images. Actually haven't had a sale there in over 3 months. Buh bye!
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stockastic! I am dropping SS as well. Close to 23000 files uploaded but I cant stomach it anymore. Too much spamming and short term sort changes. They accept anything just anything as long as its technically alright. Bugs and glitches everywhere and all the time.
I am in the process of asking them to delete all this in favour of throwing them in to a macro agency. I might lose out a bit the first year but at least I am rid of all this nonsense.
I might also sleep better at nights. haha!
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GL is on the chopping block for me. The ONLY site where I didn't get a sale in over a month with 6k images. Actually haven't had a sale there in over 3 months. Buh bye!
I last had a sale a few months ago. I'm leaving my (tiny) portfolio there for now because a sale nets a few dollars, and they have new ownership. Maybe something will happen.
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stockastic! I am dropping SS as well. Close to 23000 files uploaded but I cant stomach it anymore. Too much spamming and short term sort changes. They accept anything just anything as long as its technically alright. Bugs and glitches everywhere and all the time.
I am in the process of asking them to delete all this in favour of throwing them in to a macro agency. I might lose out a bit the first year but at least I am rid of all this nonsense.
I might also sleep better at nights. haha!
Maybe nature photos just don't do that well on Micro. I hope you find a better home for your work.
Really not worth the time and effort to continue here on the forum.
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300 images on stock sites is really not enough to expect any sort of income I have 960 and get about 100 downloads per month from SS, Dreamstime comes and goes i'll get nothing for 3 weeks and sell 5 in 3 days I stop uploading to DT a couple of months ago.
The search protocol on SS favors newer content so it is important to upload on a regular basis I operate a system holding back images so I always have something new on my favorite subjects this helps the existing images keep selling. SS represent about 60% of my MS income I also do quite well on IS and Fotolia.
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YadaYadaYada! thanks but my type of photography is as FAR away from nature as can be! :) I do mostly conceptual/studio photography sometimes involving models and lots of real doctors, nurses, lawyers, dentists, you know like real people at work and so on. Thanks anyway.
Sure I will probably lose out the first couple of years considering I have close to a million downloads at SS but even so I am rid of this constant paranoid uploading every five minutes followed by their hysteric search-changes.
Secondly in spite of all their facts and figures I seriously dont believe SS will last during 2017. Its obvious there are other forces at play such as internal/external politics problems and frictions and these things are enough to ground the biggest of corporations no matter how big a turnover.
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YadaYadaYada! thanks but my type of photography is as FAR away from nature as can be! :) I do mostly conceptual/studio photography sometimes involving models and lots of real doctors, nurses, lawyers, dentists, you know like real people at work and so on. Thanks anyway.
You get real professionals to sign releases fully understanding how the images can be used legally, far less misused? You should give up micro and run courses on powers of persuasion!
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YadaYadaYada! thanks but my type of photography is as FAR away from nature as can be! :) I do mostly conceptual/studio photography sometimes involving models and lots of real doctors, nurses, lawyers, dentists, you know like real people at work and so on. Thanks anyway.
You get real professionals to sign releases fully understanding how the images can be used legally, far less misused? You should give up micro and run courses on powers of persuasion!
It wasnt hard. I am an ex physician myself. Pathologist. That way one get to know some people. I've run professional photography parallell with Pathology all my life. :)
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YadaYadaYada! thanks but my type of photography is as FAR away from nature as can be! :) I do mostly conceptual/studio photography sometimes involving models and lots of real doctors, nurses, lawyers, dentists, you know like real people at work and so on. Thanks anyway.
You get real professionals to sign releases fully understanding how the images can be used legally, far less misused? You should give up micro and run courses on powers of persuasion!
It wasnt hard. I am an ex physician myself. Pathologist. That way one gets to know some people. I've run professional photography parallell with Pathology all my life. :)
Still, I'm astonished they'll sign. Their images could be legitimately used in all sorts of unflattering ways.
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I just disabled all sales types on SS, and disabled all my photos on DT (I used a macro recorder). They both owe me a few dollars for sales in December, and who knows when I'll get it; DT plays some nasty games.
But I've seen my last subscription sale; never again will these people sell one of my photos for dollars, and pay me pennies.
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GL is on the chopping block for me. The ONLY site where I didn't get a sale in over a month with 6k images. Actually haven't had a sale there in over 3 months. Buh bye!
I last had a sale a few months ago. I'm leaving my (tiny) portfolio there for now because a sale nets a few dollars, and they have new ownership. Maybe something will happen.
To each their own, but in my case the sales stopped dead when the new owners took over. I never had a month without a sale under the prior owners, and NOTHING since.
Wishing you all the best on your plans to go macro. Hope you will stop by to give us an update after awhile.
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I just disabled all sales types on SS, and disabled all my photos on DT (I used a macro recorder). They both owe me a few dollars for sales in December, and who knows when I'll get it; DT plays some nasty games.
But I've seen my last subscription sale; never again will these people sell one of my photos for dollars, and pay me pennies.
Youre going to sleep better at night! actually I dont mind them selling for a dollar as long as it mounts up. What I do mind and why I'm doing the same thing is all the hassle around the site their hysteric sort changes that sooner or later will have a negative impact on your portfolio the bugs and glitches the forced constant uploading in order to stay tune or else falling back in search. No not for me.
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I just disabled all sales types on SS, and disabled all my photos on DT (I used a macro recorder). They both owe me a few dollars for sales in December, and who knows when I'll get it; DT plays some nasty games.
But I've seen my last subscription sale; never again will these people sell one of my photos for dollars, and pay me pennies.
Good for you! Someone has the balls and pride in themselves to say enough is enough.
Too long have these so called agencies played the game against the contributors, it's a shame there are plenty more out there thinking they'll get rich in a skewed card game.
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YadaYadaYada! thanks but my type of photography is as FAR away from nature as can be! :) I do mostly conceptual/studio photography sometimes involving models and lots of real doctors, nurses, lawyers, dentists, you know like real people at work and so on. Thanks anyway.
Sure I will probably lose out the first couple of years considering I have close to a million downloads at SS but even so I am rid of this constant paranoid uploading every five minutes followed by their hysteric search-changes.
Secondly in spite of all their facts and figures I seriously dont believe SS will last during 2017. Its obvious there are other forces at play such as internal/external politics problems and frictions and these things are enough to ground the biggest of corporations no matter how big a turnover.
Thats interesting I'm sure you have a very lucrative niche going there. I don't agree with you about SS lets put it in our diaries to see where they are jan 1 2018! I bet they will be clinging to no1 but under pressure!
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Speaking of losers.. how's it going for everyone on 123rf?
My earnings have almost halved there comparing 2014 to 2016 :(
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More the dropouts the better for those who stay. 300 photos these days are like almost nada. You need 5-6,000 to make dent.
I haven't submitted anything to microstock in a long time and will probably never do so again. With about 300 old images online, my expectations are pretty low these days. But I'm thinking about starting the new year by cleaning house.
In the last couple of months DT has completely dried up; I barely made enough in December to pay for a latte. Time to end it.
For SS it's been a year of out-of-control spamming, junk portfolios getting side-loaded without inspection (like those 30,000 photos of pot), crazy rejections wasting everyone's time, and steadily declining sales for individual contributors. I've been waiting for them to make some "exciting announcement" about a new giveaway or royalty cut, but at this point they're in such chaos they probably wouldn't even announce it. So I'll dump them too.
I was ready to give up on Alamy after months without a sale, but got one a few days ago that netted me $10. I really have nothing against them, so I'll leave my stuff there.
The wild card, once again, is GL stock images. I thought the new ownership might take it somewhere, and I got a couple of sales after the transition, but it went cold. Unsure about this one.
Bottom line, I'm dropping SS and DT on New Year's Day.
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Good luck with the other sales venues.
When I deleted most everything from IS I did it because I wanted to for me. I was still making more there than most other sites, but I just couldn't let them treat me that way anymore. Sure it would be nice if they got the message and changed, but ultimately you need to do what you need to do for you.
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Speaking of losers.. how's it going for everyone on 123rf?
My earnings have almost halved there comparing 2014 to 2016 :(
They've quartered for me. Not a fan these days.
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SS is not going to love this but Stockastics departure from SS seems to be snowballing. This "factory" I know consisting of a few photographers also wants to leave but how do you delete over 100K files? one of the guys there is an Art Director as well and without upseting anybody but he also believe they are getting cut down on sales in favour of 0.25 contributors. They've experienced a drop of some 60%.
This is a crazy business not for the fainthearted. :o
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3 contributors leaving is not snowballing
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3 contributors leaving is not snowballing
No not here maybe but how many that we dont know about? when people see that factories are leaving they start to wonder why? we have always been led to believe here that they are the ones getting all the money. Well not so apparently.
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SS is not going to love this but Stockastics departure from SS seems to be snowballing. This "factory" I know consisting of a few photographers also wants to leave but how do you delete over 100K files? one of the guys there is an Art Director as well and without upseting anybody but he also believe they are getting cut down on sales in favour of 0.25 contributors. They've experienced a drop of some 60%.
This is a crazy business not for the fainthearted. :o
People like yourself keep harking on about a mythical tweak in the search in favour of 0.25 contributors with absolutely no evidence. If it was true every newbie would hit the 0.33 threshold within days. Yes, I agree that Shutterstock has deliberately left a lot of contributors hanging out to dry, but you need to look at what they have done not speculate on what may or may not have been done. Shutterstock creamed of all the top earners and paired them up with the top buyers and provided them with the Enterprise Team and gave them a site of their own called Premier Select, which has been growing quarter by quarter, year by year as reported in their results. It can be no surprise to find that those high earners left out are suffering an increasing loss of downloads.
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SS responded promptly to my support request, paid me my balance and closed my account.
I deactivated all my files at DT, then sent an email asking how I would close the account. They responded by closing it, bang. Now I don't know if or when I'll get the roughly $150 they owe me. I'll post the outcome eventually.
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SS is not going to love this but Stockastics departure from SS seems to be snowballing. This "factory" I know consisting of a few photographers also wants to leave but how do you delete over 100K files? one of the guys there is an Art Director as well and without upseting anybody but he also believe they are getting cut down on sales in favour of 0.25 contributors. They've experienced a drop of some 60%.
This is a crazy business not for the fainthearted. :o
People like yourself keep harking on about a mythical tweak in the search in favour of 0.25 contributors with absolutely no evidence. If it was true every newbie would hit the 0.33 threshold within days. Yes, I agree that Shutterstock has deliberately left a lot of contributors hanging out to dry, but you need to look at what they have done not speculate on what may or may not have been done. Shutterstock creamed of all the top earners and paired them up with the top buyers and provided them with the Enterprise Team and gave them a site of their own called Premier Select, which has been growing quarter by quarter, year by year as reported in their results. It can be no surprise to find that those high earners left out are suffering an increasing loss of downloads.
Good! you dont have to listen answer and worry then. :)
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stockastic! I am dropping SS as well. Close to 23000 files uploaded but I cant stomach it anymore. Too much spamming and short term sort changes. They accept anything just anything as long as its technically alright. Bugs and glitches everywhere and all the time.
I am in the process of asking them to delete all this in favour of throwing them in to a macro agency. I might lose out a bit the first year but at least I am rid of all this nonsense.
I might also sleep better at nights. haha!
Do! with the right agencies its a completely different story. Joined micro from the start in 2004 and have had some great times and earnings but now I feel they have played their game to the end and what remains are the leftovers. The reason all play around with the search is probably because they know its come to an end and they want to earn as much as possible before the crash. :)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Christian+Lagerek (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Christian+Lagerek)
Quote from Gyllens on: August 29, 2012, 08:47
Yes I am getting worried about the whole microstock buisness. People like Yuri are going sole distributor, Lisa dont seem too happy and Lagereek, is nowhere to be found, Claridge, a name most here havent even heard about is threatening to leave micro.
I am pretty new here but what is actually going on?
I am a buyer, not a contributor.
http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/getting-worried (http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/getting-worried)!/msg269793/#msg269793
Chris Lagereek !! Are you sure you want to pull your 25K images from Shutterstock? You have said that many times, but it was always bullshít.
Still talking bullshít I see, using an account you created 4 years ago. LOL. Trying to get around your lifetime ban on MSG. ;D
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SS responded promptly to my support request, paid me my balance and closed my account.
I deactivated all my files at DT, then sent an email asking how I would close the account. They responded by closing it, bang. Now I don't know if or when I'll get the roughly $150 they owe me. I'll post the outcome eventually.
come to think of it. Since its not too big a portfolio why dont you just leave it and let it earn some money instead. No harm exactly.
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YadaYadaYada! thanks but my type of photography is as FAR away from nature as can be! :) I do mostly conceptual/studio photography sometimes involving models and lots of real doctors, nurses, lawyers, dentists, you know like real people at work and so on. Thanks anyway.
You get real professionals to sign releases fully understanding how the images can be used legally, far less misused? You should give up micro and run courses on powers of persuasion!
It wasnt hard. I am an ex physician myself. Pathologist. That way one get to know some people. I've run professional photography parallell with Pathology all my life. :)
You aren't a physician, aren't in denmark, don't have nearly 22000 photos on SS, or 20000 on FT. More like 2400 on SS. You quote or make statements from people who aren't here and they can't defend. Lisa, BPLA, Pickeral and others. You attack the agencys with claims that the search is somehow rigged, but no proof. Where's your proof?
Let me quote yourself.
August 29, 2012, 10:47
Yes I am getting worried about the whole microstock buisness. People like Yuri are going sole distributor, Lisa dont seem too happy and Lagereek, is nowhere to be found, Claridge, a name most here havent even heard about is threatening to leave micro.
I am pretty new here but what is actually going on?
I am a buyer, not a contributor.
http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/getting-worried (http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/getting-worried)!/msg269793/#msg269793
I am a buyer, not a contributor.
Now you say you've been doing this since 2005?
Let me quote somebody else, The MSG forum moderator OTOH he kepps banning individuals for harsh language but he allows extremely slanderous posts, slanderous to the point that one day it could really backfire on them.
You're getting your tall tails mixed up and can't keep them straight.
Not too sure hitting emerald will result in any increase at all. I remember Lisa wrote something about once you get to that level the sort order will not be in your favour. I know as a Gold I was earning almost double of what I'm getting now and I am not the only one.
Who's this Lisa you keep quoting?
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probably lisafx, part of a regular experienced gang here, gostwyck, dj, baldrick, lots of experience left the forum at some point, theyre all greatly missed, although i see baldrick still posting every now and then
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I think some of the guys who used to post every day about the brilliance of "Jon" at SS finally decided to move to a warmer climate.
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Let me quote yourself.
August 29, 2012, 10:47
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I am pretty new here but what is actually going on?
I am a buyer, not a contributor.
[url]http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/getting-worried[/url] ([url]http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/getting-worried[/url])!/msg269793/#msg269793
I am a buyer, not a contributor.
Now you say you've been doing this since 2005?
Mwahahaha
Great catch!
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This thread was so dull I wasn't going to look in it again but now its much more interesting :)
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probably lisafx, part of a regular experienced gang here, gostwyck, dj, baldrick, lots of experience left the forum at some point, theyre all greatly missed, although i see baldrick still posting every now and then
Looks like gostwyck was lurking here today. I was having a year off this forum when several regulars left or stopped posting. Some of them may well still be here under different names. I cracked after a year and came back.
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probably lisafx, part of a regular experienced gang here, gostwyck, dj, baldrick, lots of experience left the forum at some point, theyre all greatly missed, although i see baldrick still posting every now and then
Looks like gostwyck was lurking here today. I was having a year off this forum when several regulars left or stopped posting. Some of them may well still be here under different names. I cracked after a year and came back.
I'd be willing to bet you $100 that some are still here from the regular experienced group. Some with two accounts. Some come and go every few months, with a new ID.
I doubt that SS, FT or IS want to waste time going after MSG but some of these recent financial manipulation claims and how artists are being conned or cheated could test the limits of the law. Experts in libel and slander assert that defamation does not have to be widely published, merely said by one party to another and understood by the second party to be fact, when it is not a true fact.
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The sites can always put the record straight here if they think people are being mislead. I really don't see how it would benefit them to take legal action against a microstock forum or their own contributors. I also don't think they would have much of a case, as people are expressing their opinions and the internet is full of them. That's just my opinion :)
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probably lisafx, part of a regular experienced gang here, gostwyck, dj, baldrick, lots of experience left the forum at some point, theyre all greatly missed, although i see baldrick still posting every now and then
Looks like gostwyck was lurking here today. I was having a year off this forum when several regulars left or stopped posting. Some of them may well still be here under different names. I cracked after a year and came back.
I'd be willing to bet you $100 that some are still here from the regular experienced group. Some with two accounts. Some come and go every few months, with a new ID.
I doubt that SS, FT or IS want to waste time going after MSG but some of these recent financial manipulation claims and how artists are being conned or cheated could test the limits of the law. Experts in libel and slander assert that defamation does not have to be widely published, merely said by one party to another and understood by the second party to be fact, when it is not a true fact.
and you are here to save us from ourselves, how gallant, or did someone touch a nerve?
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probably lisafx, part of a regular experienced gang here, gostwyck, dj, baldrick, lots of experience left the forum at some point, theyre all greatly missed, although i see baldrick still posting every now and then
Looks like gostwyck was lurking here today. I was having a year off this forum when several regulars left or stopped posting. Some of them may well still be here under different names. I cracked after a year and came back.
I'd be willing to bet you $100 that some are still here from the regular experienced group. Some with two accounts. Some come and go every few months, with a new ID.
I doubt that SS, FT or IS want to waste time going after MSG but some of these recent financial manipulation claims and how artists are being conned or cheated could test the limits of the law. Experts in libel and slander assert that defamation does not have to be widely published, merely said by one party to another and understood by the second party to be fact, when it is not a true fact.
I really don't think Leaf is at risk. Safe harbor protects this website. He doesn't write these things and is the provider of the forum, not the user content.
The individual writing the message can be held accountable for their writing. https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation (https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation)