Quote from: stoker2014 on February 27, 2025, 13:41

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2. The media writes that Trump apologized for calling Zelensky a dictator.
In Ukraine, no one was offended by this, it sounded very funny. Perhaps he wants to compete with Zelensky for the best comedian.

what media?  all i could find was
When asked by a reporter whether he still believed Zelensky was a dictator, Trump responded: “Did I say that? I can’t believe I said that. Next question.”

this is trump's usual response - to deny something that's easily verified

+100
Yes, that's how he apologized. But he really didn't say that Zelensky is a dictator, he just wrote it. 

I know that we should never judge an entire country on one person, but I do sometimes wonder if all Ukranians are the same as you.

Never having been to Ukraine, I have to rely on the overall media portrayal, which is usually of a wonderful people, beautiful country, our European cousins, toast basket of the world, valiantly fighting oppression in some kind of David vs Goliath war. Fighting the good fight.

That's what I bought into and it's still kind of what I like to beleive, but I do sometimes wonder if all Ukranians are massive Trump supporters, blinded by extreme biases, and divorced from reality.

I can imagine some big world leader meeting ending with... so we're all agreed on delivering the full funding package to Ukraine? We must support our Ukrainian brothers and sisters in their fight against tyranny! Everyone cheers in thunderous applause, but a hand can be seen sheepishly being raised at the back of the room. You there... you have something to add? Yes sir. I mean... well... yeah the Ukranians are pretty great, yeah... but, well... have you heard of a site called microstock group? Well there's this stoker guy and he's making me question everything we think we know about Ukraine.

Either way... I choose to believe that Ukranians are pretty cool. Rather than you being an accurate representation of your average Ukranian, I would much rather choose to beleive that you are actually Russian. A Putin plant meant to sew division and distrust. To plant the seeds of doubt and to erode the world's perception of the Ukranian people... one online microtock forum at a time. Better than a whole department of Kremlin propagandists coupd ever do.

Either way, Russian or not, you'll be getting a medal from Putin when all this is done, comrade.

I don't write here much about what Ukrainians think about the EU. For example, Ukrainians don't understand why they should defend the EU from a war with russia without weapons. And I don't understand it either, why?
When I see how some EU countries are friends with Russians and putin, I don't like it. When I see how the EU finances putin, I don't like it either.
When I see parasites, who are parasites, I don't like it either.
You, the EU, live in an illusory bubble (created by your media), in the middle of the third world war, and you don't understand anything that's happening. You have created a convenient image of Ukrainians in your heads.
You may not help Ukraine. Just return the people you stole from Ukraine under the guise of refugees. This is more than 10 million people. All the same, there is very little use from you so far.
But, thanks to Trump, maybe you will be of some use.
And I am not here to tell you fairy tales. I am writing the truth as it is.

You think that the EU is helping Ukraine because it is right and fair. No, it is not and never was. The EU is helping only because it understands that the next victim will be the EU. Your media did not tell you this when Biden was president. But under Trump, they probably already started saying it. Millions of people are dying in Africa from wars and hunger, and what, the EU is helping there much? The EU doesn't give a * about anything that doesn't concern it. Many EU leaders are just parasites.

Yes, I am very harsh and I tell the inconvenient and unpleasant truth. That is why I will never be sent to represent Ukraine in the EU, because I am not politically correct and not diplomatic.

I simply translated diplomatic language into understandable language. 

ps. I can write a lot of criticism about Ukraine too, a lot has been done incorrectly and is being done incorrectly. And this criticism is written in the Ukrainian media as well.
pss. I ask forgiveness from those whose illusions and whose faith in an ideal world I trampled and destroyed.

Quote from: cascoly on February 27, 2025, 15:01

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 27, 2025, 13:41

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2. The media writes that Trump apologized for calling Zelensky a dictator.
In Ukraine, no one was offended by this, it sounded very funny. Perhaps he wants to compete with Zelensky for the best comedian.

what media?  all i could find was
When asked by a reporter whether he still believed Zelensky was a dictator, Trump responded: “Did I say that? I can’t believe I said that. Next question.”

this is trump's usual response - to deny something that's easily verified

+100
Yes, that's how he apologized. But he really didn't say that Zelensky is a dictator, he just wrote it. 

1. That's not an apology, that's a denial.
He did the same when asked about why a violent Jan 6 criminal was pardoned. When Trump was asked directly about that one case, he said, "Was it a pardon?"

2. He said it, in public, in a speech with a lot of other lies, like how much the US has contributed to Ukraine and that all the money from Europe was a loan.

He knows the questioning/reasoning level of his base support.

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 28, 2025, 06:32

Trump is like that. The circumstances have changed, he speaks differently. It's normal.
As for not fulfilling half of his promises, that's nonsense. I don't care, election slogans and real work are different things. I didn't count half of his promises, he didn't fulfill less. But I don't care.

Make up your mind. You wrote earlier that you like because he does what he says he'll do.
Now that he doesn't, you "don't care".

Not exactly. There is a difference between promises during the election campaign and what the president does. So, I look at what he does. And if he also voices his actions, then that's even better.

Zelensky's meeting with Trump and Vance seemed to be very aggressive. As I understand it, Zelensky told both Trump and Vance fuck you.
 

I'll wait for details. 

Trump is out with a statement:

“We had a very meaningful meeting in the White House today. Much was learned that could never be understood without conversation under such fire and pressure. It’s amazing what comes out through emotion, and I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace if America is involved, because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations. I don’t want advantage, I want PEACE. He disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office. He can come back when he is ready for Peace.”

A scheduled press conference has also been cancelled.
 
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So, it looks like the agreements on rare earth metals were not signed either.

NATO is dead.

We must quit.

NATO is dead.

We must quit.

It was indeed a very unworthy spectacle to present a head of state in such a manner.
Apparently, the Oval Office is now only used to kiss the president's feet. Putin should be partying right now.
This is worrying and must make Europe in particular rethink its position.

Nevertheless, as bitter as it is, diplomacy must be the priority.

Of course, we in Europe can now invest billions in armaments.

Unfortunately, however, Europe does not have enough raw materials and rare earths for this.
Unfortunately, the sources are mainly in America, Russia and China.
Unfortunately, Europe has just started a trade war with the latter country.

In this respect, a defiant exit from the transatlantic alliance is certainly not expedient.

The fact that we have an EU that is more concerned about power restrictions on vacuumcleaners is just as worrying given the global political situation.

It would actually be interesting to see what stoker's analysts say now. But ultimately it doesn't matter at all. The facts are - unfortunately - on the table.

We had already predicted numerous times in the deleted thread that the day would come when certain people would wish the Democrats back in power because it was absolutely foreseeable what would happen. No analysts were needed. Now the time has come.

But to be honest: I - and many others too, I'm sure - would have liked to have been wrong. Unfortunately not.

It makes me extremely sad! A small country is being attacked by a big country - a nuclear power. The small country has complied with the memorandum and no longer has nuclear weapons. In return, it had the promise of territorial security and integrity. And now it has to listen to another large country that not only signed this memorandum, but also helped to initiate it: "You're in a bad position". Therefore: Give me money for what I have given you. And let Russia take your country afterwards. Because we won't help you.

So that's the big deal that was announced.

That makes me so sad that words fail me. I could cry. I feel so sorry for Ukraine and Zelenskyy. For the whole situation. But today, especially because of this absolutely lousy treatment. Nobody deserves that.

And Putin is happy. That's the worst thing about it. Because now he has a free pass from his oligarch friend Trump for all his next actions.

What a crappy day!

Still funny? Not anymore! Never ever!

And was it funny in the early 90s when Serbia did the same thing to Croatia and most of the Europe not only that it dint helped Croatia at all but they pulled an embargo on Croatia for buying weapons and Croatia with population of only 4 millions and no army at all had to fight 4 fourth strongest army in Europe with no absolutely no weapons in the start when it lost 1/3 of its territory.

And note that they were not asking it for free , just to buy them fairly. They didn't even give the permit to transport it trough EU countries when Poland and some others decided to sell.

Guess who was also among the first ones to vote for that embargo. Our friend Ukrainians here, who were lighting candles together with Russians for their Serbian brothers to crush people in ex YU which had nothing to defend their self with   

NATO is dead.

We must quit.

"The US is cutting off funding for NATO. All subsidies to the general fund and payments will be stopped as of February 28 of this year.

All financial transactions not related to the defense capability of the US Army will also be cancelled. The US can no longer subsidize NATO allies that do not spend enough on defense, Secretary of State Rubio said "

The accuracy of the information is not a guarantee, I have not checked it.

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 28, 2025, 13:33

Trump is out with a statement:

“We had a very meaningful meeting in the White House today. Much was learned that could never be understood without conversation under such fire and pressure. It’s amazing what comes out through emotion, and I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace if America is involved, because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations. I don’t want advantage, I want PEACE. He disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office. He can come back when he is ready for Peace.”

A scheduled press conference has also been cancelled.
 
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So, it looks like the agreements on rare earth metals were not signed either.

Trump appears to have put his own spin on what happened.
He seems to want peace at any price to Ukraine, not a Just Peace. And if he can get something out of it, so much the better.
He still hasn't admitted that Putin was the aggressor.

Why would Zelensky sign the agreement on handing over his country's wealth with no guarantees?
We know that even if Trump signs an agreement or treaty, he will at a whim go back on his deal, while blaming someone else for signing it.
He has no principles and is totally unreliable.

This is America, this is the USA. Ukraine has been seeing this for 11 years. For some reason, the EU is only now beginning to open its eyes.
The month of Ramadan has begun, Israel and the USA want to start a military operation in the Middle East, but the Russians are in the way. Trump wants to formalize Ukraine's capitulation as quickly as possible so that the Russians do not interfere. That is why Trump is in such a hurry and that is why he was so aggressive.

Zelensky is also criticized in Ukraine, because any peace agreement with the Russians is a capitulation of Ukraine. A peace agreement means giving the occupied territories of Ukraine to the Russians. And it does not matter whether Ukraine is given guarantees or not, but anyone who signs such a thing will be prosecuted as a criminal who violated the criminal law of Ukraine. And this is a life sentence with complete confiscation of property.

Therefore, when Zelensky even says the phrase "peace agreement", it is not well received in Ukraine.