Author Topic: Educated guesses welcome re: impact of deactivated SS on my other platforms sale (Read 12882 times)

farbled · « **Reply #25 on:** August 14, 2020, 11:01 »

Quote from: everest on August 14, 2020, 10:36

But I never sold for pennies nor will never do...

If you are on iStock/Getty, how did you manage this?

everest · « **Reply #26 on:** August 14, 2020, 12:34 »

Well if you think I provided your point so eloquently then I really think you have really misunderstood me.

People can do what they want with their images from earning thousands a month to giving them away for free. They transform themselves to idiots the moment they blame the fair paying agencies when they supply the same images to those that pay much lower royalties or sell them for peanuts and whine why they don't sell a dollar in the better paying ones. Yes those are idiots. Do you want me to repeat it again or it got through this time?.

People that now remain at Shutterstock will pester P5, Adobe, Stocksy, etc saying those sites don't sell. They might not sell the same content that is available elsewhere for very low amounts. Buyers are not so stupid as them. Agencies like SS neither as they are taking a very unfair advantage of them too. So for who is the prize of the clever clown of the day. Not to difficult to figure it out ........ even for you.

Quote from: farbled on August 14, 2020, 10:45

Thank you for proving my point so eloquently and contradicting yourself too. You literally called people idiots for doing what they wish with their images, but it's not your business? I do hope your pictures are better than your debating skills.

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farbled · « **Reply #27 on:** August 14, 2020, 12:43 »

Quote from: everest on August 14, 2020, 12:34

Well if you think I provided your point so eloquently then I really think you have really misunderstood me.

People can do what they want with their images from earning thousands a month to giving them away for free. They transform themselves to idiots the moment they blame the fair paying agencies when they supply the same images to those that pay much lower royalties or sell them for peanuts and whine why they don't sell a dollar in the better paying ones. Yes those are idiots. Do you want me to repeat it again or it got through this time?.

People that now remain at Shutterstock will pester P5, Adobe, Stocksy, etc saying those sites don't sell. They might not sell the same content that is available elsewhere for very low amounts. Buyers are not so stupid as them. Agencies like SS neither as they are taking a very unfair advantage of them too. So for who is the prize of the clever clown of the day. Not to difficult to figure it out ........ even for you.

Lol, nice try with the condescention (that means you look down on people btw).

edited to add:
You most certainly proved my point about the hypocrisy of saying what people do with their work is their business, and then call them idiots if they provide the same images across multiple platforms.

In the micro world that I am working in, there are different buyers at different agencies. Having been one at many companies, I can confirm that never, not once, did I ever worry about price. It was only about finding the right image quickly.

Plus I still fail to see the difference in minimum royalty amounts between most agencies including your beloved Getty. Perhaps P5 is good, no idea I only do (did) images and never got the volume there to continue.

farbled · « **Reply #28 on:** August 14, 2020, 12:44 »

So, is it possible to see your portfolio? Or is it too exalted for us less-clever folks?

everest · « **Reply #29 on:** August 14, 2020, 12:48 »

Because I am 40% exclusive and have many files as E+ so my net average is maybe 10x times higher than any non exclusive. By the way I have not any video files at Getty/Istock as they pay 20% and they sell for very low prices, in the range of SS now.

And if you mean the connect files. Even if I hate those sales and I am strongly against them they are a pay per view scheme and not license use. If some day Instagram would also pay me for view I think I would accept that too. In any case those are negligible amounts that don't touch my average. If those would increase significantly I would be out in a heartbeat, but the average at Istock as an exclusive is still very high compared to non exclusive, more so now that the main competitor has decided to pay 0.10c as the most common commission.

Do I like Getty, their 15-20% non exclusive royalties. No, this is why I don't supply there as a non exclusive. Do I like how they treat contributors No, but as an exclusive image producer if you are in the top commission range (which I might loose this year for the first time) it still makes sense, although the level drop and my increasing returns of footage have shifted my production in this direction.

Quote from: farbled on August 14, 2020, 11:01

Quote from: everest on August 14, 2020, 10:36
But I never sold for pennies nor will never do...
If you are on iStock/Getty, how did you manage this?

everest · « **Reply #30 on:** August 14, 2020, 12:52 »

You are right. I do when people act in ways that destroy the industry where I earn my money from, and more so if they blame the agencies when they are the ones that should look into the mirror.

Quote from: farbled on August 14, 2020, 12:43

Lol, nice try with the condescention (that means you look down on people btw).

farbled · « **Reply #31 on:** August 14, 2020, 12:56 »

Quote from: everest on August 14, 2020, 12:52

You are right. I do when people act in ways that destroy the industry where I earn my money from, and more so if they blame the agencies when they are the ones that should look into the mirror.

Quote from: farbled on August 14, 2020, 12:43

Lol, nice try with the condescention (that means you look down on people btw).

So thats a no on showing us your portfolio? How can we judge the veracity of your opinion?

farbled · « **Reply #32 on:** August 14, 2020, 12:58 »

Quote from: everest on August 14, 2020, 12:48

Because I am 40% exclusive and have many files as E+ so my net average is maybe 10x times higher than any non exclusive. By the way I have not any video files at Getty/Istock as they pay 20% and they sell for very low prices, in the range of SS now.

And if you mean the connect files. Even if I hate those sales and I am strongly against them they are a pay per view scheme and not license use. If some day Instagram would also pay me for view I think I would accept that too. In any case those are negligible amounts that don't touch my average. If those would increase significantly I would be out in a heartbeat, but the average at Istock as an exclusive is still very high compared to non exclusive, more so now that the main competitor has decided to pay 0.10c as the most common commission.

Do I like Getty, their 15-20% non exclusive royalties. No, this is why I don't supply there as a non exclusive. Do I like how they treat contributors No, but as an exclusive image producer if you are in the top commission range (which I might loose this year for the first time) it still makes sense, although the level drop and my increasing returns of footage have shifted my production in this direction.

Ahh so its not about what they sell it for, its net average, ok. In that case, SS was still my best seller til I jumped off. And while you don't like the commission structure, you're still there anyway. got it.

farbled · « **Reply #33 on:** August 14, 2020, 13:00 »

Quote from: everest on August 14, 2020, 12:52

You are right. I do when people act in ways that destroy the industry where I earn my money from, and more so if they blame the agencies when they are the ones that should look into the mirror.

I don't blame the industries as you can see from my origina post. I partially blame the trads that took a place to beginners to start and killed it with a flood of high quality, scarce images and sold them for pennies. Those are the real idiots if we need to resort to insulting a group.

everest · « **Reply #34 on:** August 14, 2020, 13:01 »

Not exalted at all. Maybe yours is even better who knows, who cares. If I am not under my real name here and showing my portfolio it is for a number of reasons the two most important are:

a) Copycats On those days when you had blue or red flames on the successful images I learned quickly how eager are people to copy the bestsellers. Going under the radar with your files is one of the best choices you can make in this business if you are successful. Nowadays there are no longer flames but search position quickly gives away those top sellers.

b) If you want to speak freely without retaliations from the agencies, there are quite a few such examples of people posting in this forum, it is also wise to disguise a little your identity. Usually agencies are not very happy when you say some things that might not fit them.

So I try to preserve my portfolio and identity mainly because of these reasons. I think I am not alone in this, specially when we talk about people making a full time income from this industry.

Quote from: farbled on August 14, 2020, 12:44

So, is it possible to see your portfolio? Or is it too exalted for us less-clever folks?

farbled · « **Reply #35 on:** August 14, 2020, 13:04 »

Quote from: everest on August 14, 2020, 13:01

Not exalted at all. Maybe yours is even better who knows, who cares. If I am not under my real name here and showing my portfolio it is for a number of reasons the two most important are:

a) Copycats On those days when you had blue or red flames on the successful images I learned quickly how eager are people to copy the bestsellers. Going under the radar with your files is one of the best choices you can make in this business if you are successful. Nowadays there are no longer flames but search position quickly gives away those top sellers.

b) If you want to speak freely without retaliations from the agencies, there are quite a few such examples of people posting in this forum, it is also wise to disguise a little your identity. Usually agencies are not very happy when you say some things that might not fit them.

So I try to preserve my portfolio and identity mainly because of these reasons. I think I am not alone in this, specially when we talk about people making a full time income from this industry.

Quote from: farbled on August 14, 2020, 12:44
So, is it possible to see your portfolio? Or is it too exalted for us less-clever folks?

You know, that is actually a well thought out and good reply. So I will give you that. Mine is plain for all to see as you know. So I will let people judge for themselves.

I will stand by my oft-repeated mantra of: there is more than one way to be successful in this industry. Mine just happens to be one of the barest minimum of work, to get a return. Works for me (and thank you to whomever just bought my book! love it!).

everest · « **Reply #36 on:** August 14, 2020, 13:19 »

SS commission structure was not bad before the jump, not the best neither. But an average of 25-30% is in line with many other agencies except Istock that I would never supply a single image for 15%. Now Shutter has jumped on the same wagon. We will see how it pans out but I hope that enough people will make them fall off the leadership chart, for the good of all contributors.

Yes I am still there because moving so much content from one site to the other is not that easy. You have to keyword, earn good search placements, climb to the top. The alternative in images are no that many with SS out of the picture. Adobe is not enough, at least not yet. And if I decide to leave Getty/Istock I will leave them completely because I think 15% is robbery. So sooner or later without SS and Istock you better have your options well covered. When Stocksy appeared I did not go bet for them as at that time I was still earning a massive amount of money from Getty but maybe that was a mistake. I will never know. Options are getting thiner.

And going back to our previous discussion. I have respect of the amateurs that don't care too much and post their vacation and travel photos on all sites from Adobe to Canstockphotos, they are happy if they make a few bugs and don't take this as a business. But the people that make good money should care for the medium long term, a good strategy and it implies intelligence. But those that blame that agencies are paying lower and lower amounts and lower and lower commissions but keep rewarding with their images the ones that quick in this cuts again and again.......well you already know what I think of.

Quote from: farbled on August 14, 2020, 12:58

Ahh so its not about what they sell it for, its net average, ok. In that case, SS was still my best seller til I jumped off. And while you don't like the commission structure, you're still there anyway. got it.

farbled · « **Reply #37 on:** August 14, 2020, 13:42 »

Quote from: everest on August 14, 2020, 13:19

SS commission structure was not bad before the jump, not the best neither. But an average of 25-30% is in line with many other agencies except Istock that I would never supply a single image for 15%. Now Shutter has jumped on the same wagon. We will see how it pans out but I hope that enough people will make them fall off the leadership chart, for the good of all contributors.

Yes I am still there because moving so much content from one site to the other is not that easy. You have to keyword, earn good search placements, climb to the top. The alternative in images are no that many with SS out of the picture. Adobe is not enough, at least not yet. And if I decide to leave Getty/Istock I will leave them completely because I think 15% is robbery. So sooner or later without SS and Istock you better have your options well covered. When Stocksy appeared I did not go bet for them as at that time I was still earning a massive amount of money from Getty but maybe that was a mistake. I will never know. Options are getting thiner.

And going back to our previous discussion. I have respect of the amateurs that don't care too much and post their vacation and travel photos on all sites from Adobe to Canstockphotos, they are happy if they make a few bugs and don't take this as a business. But the people that make good money should care for the medium long term, a good strategy and it implies intelligence. But those that blame that agencies are paying lower and lower amounts and lower and lower commissions but keep rewarding with their images the ones that quick in this cuts again and again.......well you already know what I think of.

Fair enough and well stated. See how reasonable we all become without the names? Good luck with however it plays out. I have my website to play with, a few accounts still up because some take for ever to disable, and my own ideas about getting the last bit of mileage out of what has been a very good second career for me (even if it was only part-time).

everest · « **Reply #38 on:** August 14, 2020, 13:57 »

Good luck to you too. I apologize if you have felt disrespected in any ways. Sometimes I can be a little "abrupt" in my arguments. In any case, I wish that we all can make out the most of it while it lasts.

Quote from: farbled on August 14, 2020, 13:42

Fair enough and well stated. See how reasonable we all become without the names? Good luck with however it plays out. I have my website to play with, a few accounts still up because some take for ever to disable, and my own ideas about getting the last bit of mileage out of what has been a very good second career for me (even if it was only part-time).

farbled · « **Reply #39 on:** August 14, 2020, 14:14 »

Quote from: everest on August 14, 2020, 13:57

Good luck to you too. I apologize if you have felt disrespected in any ways. Sometimes I can be a little "abrupt" in my arguments. In any case, I wish that we all can make out the most of it while it lasts.

Thank you, and I apologize too. No bones about it, I can be an absolute a$$. Ask anyone.

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