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Microstock Photography Forum - General => General Stock Discussion => Topic started by: bunhill on March 13, 2015, 03:06
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StockUnlimited Brings The Netflix Model To Stock Imagery, Starting With Vector Graphics (http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/12/stockunlimited-brings-the-netflix-model-to-stock-content-starting-with-vector-graphics/)
Instead of limiting users to a set monthly allowance, StockUnlimited ([url]http://stockunlimited.com[/url]) charges a $9.99 flat fee ...
... If it wasn’t for the team behind it, I’d likely have serious doubts about the company’s plan, which flies in the face of the established (and highly profitable) business model in the stock imagery world. The company’s chairman and lead investor is Andy Sitt, who also founded the successful stock imagery service 123RF. StockUnlimited’s CEO is Christian Toksvig, the former head of business development at Getty Images. These two clearly know how this market works.
Currently, StockUnlimited only features vector images, but the plan is to expand to photos and videos in the third or fourth quarter of this year.
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And this is the disaster waiting to happen
It probably won’t challenge high-end services like Getty anytime soon (that catalog is hard to beat, after all) and other upstarts like Twenty20 are going after a different market, but it could win over users from the likes of Shutterstock (and/or maybe force them to change their pricing model in the process).
It can only go down.
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It can only go down.
The end price of images is inevitably going to zero. With users paying only indirectly for the provision of services.
Except niche and bespoke.
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$9.99 a month for unlimited downloads?
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I'm not sure if I understand this new something... Is the idea that client pays once 9,99 (or once a month, doesn't matter much) and downloads unlimited files? It's absurd, which contributor would want this? It's obvious it's agains our business... I don't get it, help anyone?
If yes, if above is correct then... StockUnlimited=one huge market crush!
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I wonder how they will manage to get "over 100,000 new pieces of content every month" (from their FAQ), when no serious stock vector artist will supply, because "It’s exclusive! You’ll never find our content anywhere but on StockUnlimited." (from their FAQ)
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All those rejections from the not so serious stock vector artist?
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I wonder how they will manage to get "over 100,000 new pieces of content every month" (from their FAQ), when no serious stock vector artist will supply, because "It’s exclusive! You’ll never find our content anywhere but on StockUnlimited." (from their FAQ)
You'd think but I have had an 2 approaches recently offering me $15-$20 per image for my portfolio to allow an agency to sell my work without any future payments to me. There have been people on this forum advocating for this kind of deal. These people (was going to use another word) are the ones who allow this kind of model to survive. The agency pays once then sells the work forever.
Anyway, this wont work, just like other industries are finding out, the free model isn't profitable or sustainable for anyone:
http://www.siliconbeat.com/2015/02/26/youtube/ (http://www.siliconbeat.com/2015/02/26/youtube/)
http://www.wsj.com/articles/viewers-dont-add-up-to-profit-for-youtube-1424897967 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/viewers-dont-add-up-to-profit-for-youtube-1424897967)
http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2015/02/27/another-universal-music-digital-executive (http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2015/02/27/another-universal-music-digital-executive)
http://thetrichordist.com/2014/10/09/who-will-be-the-first-fired-label-execs-over-spotify-cannibalization/ (http://thetrichordist.com/2014/10/09/who-will-be-the-first-fired-label-execs-over-spotify-cannibalization/)
Is the 123RF guy involved still with of 123? the biggest fear is that he will dump all the content from 123 on this new site before we can opt out.
ETA. Also the Netfilx comparison is way off, almost everyone watches movies, most sales of stock images are to businesses. A much smaller market. Most lifting off of Google will be by Joe Public who will never have an interest in paying for content no matter how cheap or "Netflixy" the model.
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I wonder how they will manage to get "over 100,000 new pieces of content every month" (from their FAQ), when no serious stock vector artist will supply, because "It’s exclusive! You’ll never find our content anywhere but on StockUnlimited." (from their FAQ)
You'd think but I have had an 2 approaches recently offering me $15-$20 per image for my portfolio to allow an agency to sell my work without any future payments to me. There have been people on this forum advocating for this kind of deal. These people (was going to use another word) are the ones who allow this kind of model to survive. The agency pays once then sells the work forever.
Anyway, this wont work, just like other industries are finding out, the free model isn't profitable or sustainable for anyone:
[url]http://www.siliconbeat.com/2015/02/26/youtube/[/url] ([url]http://www.siliconbeat.com/2015/02/26/youtube/[/url])
[url]http://www.wsj.com/articles/viewers-dont-add-up-to-profit-for-youtube-1424897967[/url] ([url]http://www.wsj.com/articles/viewers-dont-add-up-to-profit-for-youtube-1424897967[/url])
[url]http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2015/02/27/another-universal-music-digital-executive[/url] ([url]http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2015/02/27/another-universal-music-digital-executive[/url])
[url]http://thetrichordist.com/2014/10/09/who-will-be-the-first-fired-label-execs-over-spotify-cannibalization/[/url] ([url]http://thetrichordist.com/2014/10/09/who-will-be-the-first-fired-label-execs-over-spotify-cannibalization/[/url])
Is the 123RF guy involved still with of 123? the biggest fear is that he will dump all the content from 123 on this new site before we can opt out.
ETA. Also the Netfilx comparison is way off, almost everyone watches movies, most sales of stock images are to businesses. A much smaller market. Most lifting off of Google will be by Joe Public who will never have an interest in paying for content no matter how cheap or "Netflixy" the model.
For me I would dump 123 like a hot potato. I am so done supporting this kind of Schit. To the point where I am willing to lose $130 a month from 123....assuming 123 is a part of this scheme. It wreaks of DPC style of destruction.
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Will this be any better than the free sites that are full of LCV images that the vast majority of designers wont bother with? Maybe this will get some of the people that only use free images but I doubt it will change the miscrostock world much.
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How would contributors get paid with this model? Why would we contribute there?
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How would contributors get paid with this model? Why would we contribute there?
I was wondering the same
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The problem with the internet is that it needs to have a 'Henry Ford Moment', because right now it's very difficult for anyone (besides big companies) to make money on it. If the internet actually recognized the value of work with some reasonable prices for things like stock, ad rates, music, etc., that would give a real boost to the economy. The race to free has done nothing but make EVERYONE poorer.
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If the internet actually recognized the value of work with some reasonable prices for things like stock, ad rates, music, etc., that would give a real boost to the economy.
The end user price for most images will inevitably get ever closer to zero as supply increases. Supply is unlimited. The inevitable outcome is that many users will, at best, only pay for the curation and delivery of those images as a service. And most likely even these services will come bundled - eg with hosting etc. Bespoke images and niches would be an exception.
The growth of microstock was facilitated by the availability of affordable DSLRs and ubiquitous broadband. Affordable DSLRs made it feasible to relatively easily learn how to produce content which was as good or nearly as good as that from existing much higher priced stock collections. Simultaneously - suddenly lots of little businesses, even churches, clubs etc thought that they needed a website - mostly because in those days lots of people said that they needed a website. And in those days there was a lot of money in making websites which fuelled a demand for relatively inexpensive stock.
Increasingly today those small businesses and organizations have often found that they really only need to keep the website as a placeholder, like a business card. Even many quite large organizations have switched their meaningful interactions with the customers to Facebook and Twitter - and the fresh content they are using is shot with an iPhone or shared by their 'friends'. Most people who upload an iPhone photo to Facebook are not expecting to be paid - they’ll be happy to get a thumbs-up or lots of ‘likes’. This sort of use is inevitably going to account for the majority of image use. And, as microstock gradually ate into previous pricing models, so free and almost is inevitably going to eat into even microstock pricing.
Microstock (from a contributor perspective) probably peaked and then quickly began to decline about the time of the financial crisis - which was, significantly, also soon after the iPhone launched and Facebook introduced business pages. This was also the period when the biggest collections began to grow almost exponentially - with ever more people supplying ever more images. And no evidence that the total market is growing.
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Meanwhile ad rates seem likely to decline if anything.
A Crisis in Online Ads: One-Third of Traffic Is Bogus (http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304026304579453253860786362) - Wall St Journal
Study Puts a Price Tag on Fake Ad Clicks (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/10/business/media/study-puts-a-price-tag-on-digital-ad-click-fraud-.html?_r=0) - New York Times
Nearly 25% of 'people' viewing online video ads are robots used by fraudsters (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/dec/09/online-ads-robot-fraudsters) - The Guardian
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How would contributors get paid with this model? Why would we contribute there?
They are operating with wholly owned content, and that's the only way an unlimited subscription model can work.
So what they have is a half a step up from what clipart dot com used to have - which was really awful, but very cheap (Jupiter Images owned it, then Getty bought them, moved some content to iStock so they could mirror it on the PP and then sold the site to someone else). They mirrored only a part of the content and that was borderline at best:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/getty-clip-art-'mirroring'-has-begun/ (http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/getty-clip-art-'mirroring'-has-begun/)
So I looked at the stuff that StockUnlimited has purchased - I assume commissioning some folks in very low wage countries to make them copies of old clipart books that are now public domain, or something of that sort - and this will at best be a niche market. It's just not all that usable.
The problem they'll have if they try to expand to photos is that the low wage countries where they could possible afford to pay someone to generate content for them won't have the models or locations they need to sell the stuff in the US, Europe and Australia.
Supply is unlimited if you don't care what sort of photos or illustrations you accept. It isn't if you want to appeal to a broader corporate audience, ad agencies, etc.
I don't see much of a future for StockUnlimited with this business model - there aren't enough potential customers to make the model work as they've set it up.
Edited to add that the fact that Andy Sitt (123rf) and a former Getty business development exec are behind it doesn't improve its prospects any, IMO. Getty kept trying these ideas to "monetize" the mass of people using freebies in their blogs and such. You'd have to use a lot of blog images to be willing to pay $10 a month, every month, for access to what they offer. The casual user would be better off buying what they need - more choice and less overall expense.
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the fact that Andy Sitt (123rf) and a former Getty business development exec are behind it doesn't improve its prospects any
It does. If only because their background inevitably improves the prospects of the business with respect to them being able to present a case for funding.
Long term prospects is another thing entirely. But none of the microstock companies have guaranteed long term prospects.
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Yay micro has a similar service. I really dislike how both Yay micro and now StockUnlimited are referring to Netflix and Spotify when talking about their business model. It is not at all the same:
The Netflix and Spotify model is Business to Consumer
StockUnlimited and Yays model is Business to Business
An advertising agency cannot download a song on sportify and use it in a world wide advertising campaign. The comparison is ridiculous.
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Amazon also has a Business to Consumer product where they offer dl of any number of books for a flat fee, but from a subset of the total books on sale, and you can only have the book for a limited time. I cannot think of any IP asset store which sells to businesses and has a flat-fee deal like this. Maybe imagists would submit images which they can't sell anywhere else?
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I don't understand. Do they pay a flat rate, one time for content? How much would someone want to sell a lifetime license to these people? Exclusive? [appears the content is done by hired vector artists?] So it would be exclusive and unique. FOr now...
As Toksvig stressed, though, the idea isn’t to shut other content creators out by only featuring the company’s own content. Instead, StockUnlimited is trying to build a base from which to grow right now — and that growth will soon include content from third-party creators, just like any other stock imagery site.
Really? How much will it pay, that's the question.
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No it's not a Netflix concept at all. Netflix is not [100%] exclusive content, they own nothing very little, they license it and viewers can watch it. The viewers do not COPY, download or reuse the movies.
I watch movies on Netflix, never bothered with an original series, my mistake.
I understand why the $10 unlimited is bad for everyone. Nothing is any good about this concept.
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No it's not a Netflix concept at all. Netflix is not exclusive content, they own nothing, they license it and viewers can watch it.
Netflix may not own a lot on Netflix, but they do have exclusive content as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_original_programs_distributed_by_Netflix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_original_programs_distributed_by_Netflix)
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-involved-netflix-is-in-production-of-shows-2014-6?IR=T (http://www.businessinsider.com/how-involved-netflix-is-in-production-of-shows-2014-6?IR=T)
http://thebestofnetflix.com/the-creativity-of-netflix-a-list-of-all-netflix-original-series/ (http://thebestofnetflix.com/the-creativity-of-netflix-a-list-of-all-netflix-original-series/)
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well, 9.99$ is maybe even too much for those horrible vectors.
i think this is really the rock bottom of stock.
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Am I the only one that has left a comment at the bottom of the page?
http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/12/stockunlimited-brings-the-netflix-model-to-stock-content-starting-with-vector-graphics/ (http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/12/stockunlimited-brings-the-netflix-model-to-stock-content-starting-with-vector-graphics/)
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If you check out the comments a the bottom, looks like they have employees to create the work, the ones on there from Malaysia I think, so contributors are out the loop on this one.
Disturbing trend, I guess returns per image selling on the sites in the traditional way are so low now that it makes more sense for people in countries with low cost of living to work directly for a site making a few backs per hour.
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"Toksvig believes that just like Spotify and Netflix made it so easy and cheap to get legal access music and video that piracy wasn’t worth the hassle anymore, StockUnlimited will be able to do the same for graphics and photography."
He's right but he's 10 years too late. iTunes is what made people realize what was legal and what wasn't wirth the hassle and iStock is what made it easy for buyers to license imagery. Ten years ago.
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"Toksvig believes that just like Spotify and Netflix made it so easy and cheap to get legal access music and video that piracy wasn’t worth the hassle anymore, StockUnlimited will be able to do the same for graphics and photography."
He's right but he's 10 years too late. iTunes is what made people realize what was legal and what wasn't wirth the hassle and iStock is what made it easy for buyers to license imagery. Ten years ago.
Exactly right. I think all he's doing is gambling that it is more economical to employ people in lower paying countries to produce content directly for the site than to have to pay contributors royalties. It doesn't have a lot to do with a new model for buyers, subscriptions are in practice unlimited downloads anyway, no one uses up their whole allowance.
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If you check out the comments a the bottom, looks like they have employees to create the work, the ones on there from Malaysia I think, so contributors are out the loop on this one.
Disturbing trend, I guess returns per image selling on the sites in the traditional way are so low now that it makes more sense for people in countries with low cost of living to work directly for a site making a few backs per hour.
it's a good idea in principle but i wonder how they can afford it in malaysia.
while malaysia is an excellent country to base an online business it's not a cheap place and even entry-level designers will earn at the very least 500 to 1000$ per month.
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Netflix may not own a lot on Netflix, but they do have exclusive content as well
For a time. House of Cards (not current season) is on amazon now. I'm not sure about the details of how things were paid for, but I think they bid for certain rights versus own the show outright
http://techcrunch.com/2013/02/11/netflixs-house-of-cards-is-internet-tv-funded-original-programming-but-dont-kid-yourself-its-ad-free-spoiler-alert/ (http://techcrunch.com/2013/02/11/netflixs-house-of-cards-is-internet-tv-funded-original-programming-but-dont-kid-yourself-its-ad-free-spoiler-alert/)
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If you check out the comments a the bottom, looks like they have employees to create the work, the ones on there from Malaysia I think, so contributors are out the loop on this one.
Disturbing trend, I guess returns per image selling on the sites in the traditional way are so low now that it makes more sense for people in countries with low cost of living to work directly for a site making a few backs per hour.
it's a good idea in principle but i wonder how they can afford it in malaysia.
while malaysia is an excellent country to base an online business it's not a cheap place and even entry-level designers will earn at the very least 500 to 1000$ per month.
Sorry I think Indonesia, if that makes a difference to cost of living. Take a look at the facebook pages of the illustrators working for 123RF and StockUnlimited commenting under the article.
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Still need to really dig through the site and digest this info before I can form an opinion about it, but let me just say this right now:
If designers are your intended audience, maybe you could hire one to kern that logo. Yikes...
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The problem with the internet is that it needs to have a 'Henry Ford Moment', because right now it's very difficult for anyone (besides big companies) to make money on it. If the internet actually recognized the value of work with some reasonable prices for things like stock, ad rates, music, etc., that would give a real boost to the economy. The race to free has done nothing but make EVERYONE poorer.
nonsense - it may be difficult for people who still think in outdated terms (eg a stock photo is worth $500), but a quick look at sites like kickstarter show many people are finding ways to make money on the internet -- and most of the 'big' companies were tiny startups just a short time ago
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a quick look at sites like kickstarter show many people are finding ways to make money on the internet
South Park - Go Fund Yourself (http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s18e01-go-fund-yourself)
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So I signed up for a 60 day free trial so I could have a look at some sample files in illustrator.
In addition to the large quantity of really strange color choices or crude shapes or bizarro creative choices (a winking Christmas tree with legs and arms; a woman with shopping bags and cloned & flippped feet, toes touching in the center, an easter egg of dinosaur skin), the files are just sloppy.
The groups and layers aren't named, so doing anything with the file isn't as easy as it should be (and look at iStock's free vectors for examples of how even naming a few top level groups can really simplify things). With the infographics - this is an example:
http://stockunlimited.com/vector/infographic-of-a-house_1390026.html (http://stockunlimited.com/vector/infographic-of-a-house_1390026.html)
You're going to want to edit the content given that it's unusable as is, but the entire graphic is one un-named junk pile of groups and compound paths and paths - every letter of the "Lorem ipsum..." text is its own compound path, not separately grouped so you can quickly remove and replace it.
I hope they didn't pay much for this stuff, because I can't imagine signing up for a paid subscription after looking at what I get for my $10 a month.
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There's a lot to be concerned about from a contributor standpoint, and I think the reasons are obvious. The pricepoint is eerily similar to DPC, so it's hard to ignore the possibility that the $10 buy-in might have partly been inspired as a means to compete with Fotolia's entry into this nanostock market.
But there are also some things going on with SU (can I be the first to use the acronym? :) ) that are actually really good ideas.
A few random thoughts as I read through the article and browse the site...
• I'm biased for sure, but I really like a company launching with vectors ahead of photos. And without a "photo" name. The value of vectors is still largely overlooked despite them being significant in the earnings of every company that offers them. I'm still amazed that so many startups launch without vectors and sometimes without any plan to offer them at all. I think SU got this part right, launching with a high-value product that is a bit easier to handle without the need for model and property releases.
• Being founded by people from within the business, there is no way that anyone here isn't at least a little bit more intrigued by this factor. We see stock startups all the time where the founders don't have a clue about the business and are just looking to get rich quick selling pictures. Having people at the helm who have been there before, it's infinitely more interesting.
• Exclusive content. This is huge. It's been discussed here before, that the only way for companies to differentiate anymore is through exclusive content. It doesn't help anyone to launch a site with just a small fraction of the exact same content everyone else has. I'm on the fence about exclusivity in general, but the strategy SU is using to launch with all exclusive content that they commissioned is pretty smart. What they lack in quantity they make up for in offering stuff that no one else has.
That said, I also wonder how this might affect the contributor. Obviously the company will prefer that their exclusive content get downloaded more than 3rd party content, since the exclusive stuff is already bought and paid for. Will they modify search algorithms to favor exclusive content?
• The site looks good, seems to work well, and aside from a horribly kerned logo the overall look of the company is clean, modern, and professional.
• The content they feature looks interesting. Like all companies, they lead with their best foot forward. But digging deeper into the site, I'm not impressed. They have a few really really good images, and then piles of mediocre stuff. Not all bad, but mostly not good enough to really compete with other companies. If high-quality premium content is a major consideration for a buyer, I don't see anyone choosing this over Shutterstock no matter how much of a savings it is. SU lacks the trendy vintage stuff, the more intricate illustrations and popular badge/emblem graphics. Designers want to buy the kind of stuff they're seeing at sites like Dribbble, and SU has almost none of that kind of work.
• The Tech Crunch article is weird. Lots of ideas in there that I don't particularly agree with. Like the notion that competition pushes prices down. While that's not totally false, I think in some cases the opposite is true as well. Not all competitors are intent on fighting the pricing wars, with some companies finding success going the other way.
I also disagree with the Netflix analogy. This is commercial use content, the Netflix comparison doesn't apply. And the idea that this service will do any better of a job of bringing image pirates in from the cold is just ridiculous. There have been good, affordable alternatives to image piracy for years, SU doesn't offer anything new in that area.
And the idea that getting lots of content onto the site and that being a significant factor in getting contributors on board is only half true. Having content to show so that new contributors know the company is for real is helpful, but the interest will be dead in its tracks if the offer to contributors isn't good. Which brings us to...
• Pricing. Obviously the pricing scheme of $10 monthly subscriptions is problematic. There's really no way to see this working out well for contributors. Let's say (hypothetically) they can offer a royalty rate of $0.25 per download. In order to still make money on the subscription, they need the buyer to download less than 40 images from 3rd party contributors per month. Seems like a risky proposition for the company. Especially if 3rd party content eventually outnumbers wholly-owned exclusive content. The odds that a buyer will surpass whatever break-even number they come up with is too great. They'll need to pay very low royalties per DL.
I definitely can't imagine them paying any better than $0.25 per DL, and more likely they'll have to pay half that or less in order to be profitable. Not a good proposition for us.
And like DPC, being able to jump into a subscription for just $10 sends a really troubling message throughout the industry, that stock images individually aren't even worth $10 anymore, and in fact they're hardly worth pennies and can/should be bought in bulk.
I want to take a "wait and see" approach to SU but it's almost impossible to see any scenario where they can take $10 per month per subscriber and offer anything decent to contributors within that kind of system. I just don't see how it's possible that this could ever be a good thing for us, nor does it do the stock image business any good to offer unlimited subscriptions for the same price that many of us still sell single images for.
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Sorry I think Indonesia, if that makes a difference to cost of living. Take a look at the facebook pages of the illustrators working for 123RF and StockUnlimited commenting under the article.
well yes if it's indonesia it makes a HUGE different in cost of living, like day and night unless they're based in Bali or in some expensive high-tech office in Jakarta.
there are many IT/ICT startups in Bali, it's really a great place, the problem with Indonesia is the amount of red tape and bribes needed to work and operate there while in Malaysia foreign investors are welcomed with open arms, they have good airports, good trains, world class services, i mean everything just works but it's still a bargain compared to Singapore .. even Malaysia Borneo is quite a nice place, clean, well managed, while the indonesian Borneo is a du-mp.
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If its like Netflix then its sure to Suck! Netflix online never has anything new even Redbox is better! And I think every contributor here would agree that they would get paid nothing for their photos so my guess is that 123rf or Getty or whoever is behind this new startup will be pulling content from other sites as a partner of some sort since no one will want to contribute!
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...StockUnlimited’s CEO is Christian Toksvig, the former head of business development at Getty Images...
It's worth mentioning that Toksvig wasn't just employed at Getty. His specific role was Vice President for Business Development for Getty and iStock. And he's also currently on the Board of Directors for Yuri Arcurs Photography.
When he left Getty, his stated reason was, "I've accomplished the main objectives that I was brought in to do, particularly around our presence in emerging markets and creating new digital business models and partnerships. On that background it makes sense to move on and work in a more entrepreneurial context."
Sounds like he maybe had a microstock startup on his mind for a while now. The entrepreneurial bug was certainly there when he parted ways with Getty.
I just think it's interesting that this new company is helmed by 4 guys with specific microstock experience. One of whom it sounds like maybe had microstock (or nanostock it seems) startup aspirations and teamed up with 3 guys from 123RF.
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Noticed something today on a financial site about Netflix. Downgraded by an analyst because content is becoming too expensive to buy from studios/distributors and to costly to produce in-house. Seems like these 'distributor agents' need to pay more to get content that customers are willing to pay them for.
Not that bad yet for the stock agents/distributors but as the opt outs from DPC have shown by their action, there is a limit to how far creators of content will allow themselves to be fleeced by their distributors.
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...but as the opt outs from DPC have shown by their action, there is a limit to how far creators of content will allow themselves to be fleeced by their distributors.
The DPC opt-out did make a statement, but ultimately it didn't stop DPC from moving forward.
It's great that we value our work enough to draw a line in the sand and tell these companies that they've gone too far. I'm just not sure that these companies care. DPC has 30+ million images, more than they had even before the opt-out was made available. I'm sure SU will get plenty of content, either from their exclusive channels or by persuading contributors to sign up. No matter how bad the deal is, if they're offering any money at all, people will sign up. And maybe that's all these companies need. Does it matter if they have mostly mediocre content? Do they really need the best content to succeed?
Until there is a more obvious divide between companies that can get the best content and companies who can't because they pay too little, I don't see how we get off this road to lower and lower pay.
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...Until there is a more obvious divide between companies that can get the best content and companies who can't because they pay too little, I don't see how we get off this road to lower and lower pay.
So in addition to increasing the gap in content quality between companies who pay well and those who don't, I'm now recognizing more and more that we'll always have to fight against our own content as well. Even if these low-paying companies can't get content from me, they'll just take it anyway:
(http://www.emberstudio.com/random/su-cks.jpg)
Fortunately I think most savvy buyers will still recognize that knock-offs usually aren't as good as the originals, and hopefully they'll still go where they can get the better versions. But still, it's another element in this discussion that will always be there and always make it harder and harder for us to keep any ground we gain in the effort to push for fair pay.
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My list of agencies where to upload is shrinking. Mostly because of fact that images uploaded to any agency go out of control. Epidemy of "partners" will bring content to such startups.
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I checked an e-mail account I don't use much (except for signups on sites I'm suspicious of) and saw that Stock Unlimited had sent me e-mail on December 18th:
"StockUnlimited is about to revolutionize the stock image business once again. We will soon be launching unlimited stock photos in addition to graphics.
Sounds great, doesn't it? We are very excited about it!
We are still not sure how much the new product should cost, so we thought we would ask you for your input. To say thanks, we will give you 20% off on annual subscription. You'll find the discount code on the last page of the survey. "
I did fill out the survey, although it was very short and didn't have any option to provide comments. How much did I spend on stock photography, what would I pay for an annual subscription for unlimited stock photos and graphics and would I recommend Stock Unlimited to a colleague.
I'm guessing that Stock Unlimited has not been eating into vector sales for illustrators (because we haven't seen anything about it here) so I'm inclined not to be too worried about the addition of photos.
Assuming no one would supply them in return for a royalty, perhaps they are purchasing stock from somewhere cheap to have wholly owned content (which is the only way to create a sustainable business with unlimited subscriptions)?
This would quickly become a stale, dated and limited set of photos (and if it's anything like the vectors, it's not inspiring; more clipart.com than Stocksy). Is there anything else that might make sense of a move like this? Having seen the death of the unlamented Dollar Photo Club, we wouldn't want to see something even worse take its place...
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Looks like they have a very limited supply problem. It wont attract buyers, what's the point of unlimited downloads if you can't get the right image?
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I received e-mail this morning from 123rf and StockUnlimited (Tagged as "An Inmagine Company" even though they both are) titled "Creative needs sorted - for life!"
They have a deal - this week only - for unlimited downloads for life! Only $49 (reduced from $999)
I think they've been saying they have 600K images and vectors for ages, so I'm not sure about this "... we add thousands of new
images every week"
"You'll enjoy full access to over 600,000 quality stock photos,
vectors, clipart and other images... And we add thousands of new
images every week.
Don't worry about your content needs ever again! Just make this
one-time purchase now to enjoy unlimited downloads
for life. No catch"
But you have to hurry :) This is limited to the first 1,000 subscribers!
It's carnival barker yelling at its worst IMO
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Unlimited downloads wont mean much while they have limited content. Hope it stays that way. Did they just send the email to registered buyers? I didn't get it. Makes me wonder if 123rf is worth carrying on with? They have never made much for me and I stopped uploading after the commission cut.
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Not sure why I got the e-mail - I don't buy there (I had someone I did work for buy from them but I just did the searching). It was the e-mail associated with my contributor account and it said I had signed up for newsletters (which I think I did)
I don't expect it to go anywhere but it smells of desperation - $999 on sale for $49...
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Having Deja Vu yet again.
Here's a quote from this article. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d2e39a0a-eaa0-11e5-bb79-2303682345c8.html#axzz45BJ8Fzam (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d2e39a0a-eaa0-11e5-bb79-2303682345c8.html#axzz45BJ8Fzam)
Christian Toksvig, the start-up’s founder, knows the industry well: he was previously vice-president of business development at Getty, the market leader. But the entrepreneur insists that “we’re not trying to disrupt or steal their business”. Stock Unlimited targets those who have never previously paid for professional imagery because of its expense.
Where have I heard this before? Oh yeah. Microstock. And of course we all know micro had no affect on image prices.
I'm on the wrong side of this business.
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"Toksvig believes that just like Spotify and Netflix made it so easy and cheap to get legal access music and video that piracy wasn’t worth the hassle anymore, StockUnlimited will be able to do the same for graphics and photography."
He's right but he's 10 years too late. iTunes is what made people realize what was legal and what wasn't wirth the hassle and iStock is what made it easy for buyers to license imagery. Ten years ago.
Complete nonsense, netflix did nothing, there are more torrents f.e. than ever. I remember years ago torrents were often so slow and unreliable many didn't bother with it. Nowadays there is so much content on so many comps, you can downloads things at full speed, so if anything, It juts got a lot bigger. Almost any series (including netflix stuff) is up on torrents in a few hours after release.
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After browsing their content it doesn't worry me one iota......I would advice them to give it free....there are gratis sites with much better and usable images than this one......to say it is stale as a rotten tomato is an understatement..............
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I was cleaning out last month's rubbish from an e-mail account I keep for signups I don't care about and found a couple of e-mails from late April from StockUnlimited (http://www.digitalbristles.com/temp/StockUnlimited-04-2016-promos.jpg).
They're still peddling the lifetime deal for $49, but instead of saying there were only 1,000 of these available, they're now saying they've sold 10,000 but only 1,000 are left!
Still the same size image collection, but now they say it's growing at 10,000 images a month.
I don't know how it's OK to claim you've sold 10,000 if you haven't, but I have a hard time imagining they've sold that many. Perhaps it was a freebie with some other 123rf package and they're counting those as "sales"?
On the site, they're offering unlimited subscriptions at $19 for one month, $69 a year or $89 lifetime.
But it's not really unlimited or lifetime...
In the FAQ (http://www.stockunlimited.com/faq.php), there's a definition of what they mean by lifetime:
""Lifetime" is defined as the period until StockUnlimited ceases to operate or license the subscribed StockUnlimited content, guaranteed to be at least 36 months from the date of subscription. Please consult the Terms of Use for the full definition."
And in the legal blurb (http://www.stockunlimited.com/legal.php), they point out they have the right to limit the amount of downloads in a 24 hour period:
"Further, in order to facilitate a smooth download process and to ensure the best possible service to all Stock Unlimited users, Stock Unlimited may, at its sole discretion, restrict or limit downloads of the Content by any Stock Unlimited users (including you) to a fixed amount of total downloads of the Content per 24 hour period."
I hope this sort of sleazy stuff doesn't rub off on the reputations of decent sites. But as pointed out above, their collection is pretty sad, so that may limit the audience for their pitch anyway.
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Very sleazy. I have a feeling the top sites don't need to resort to these tactics. Fingers crossed.