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« on: October 22, 2011, 13:36 »
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We are looking for contributors to  build up a growing and, we think, different library. As creatives who purchase these images we have got tired of the same old same old, so we developed The Picture Pod. (http://alpha.thepicturepod.com/ [nofollow]).

The user experience is very simple, no credits, no advertising, no distractions just great photography for those who need it.  The vision was to do one thing and do it well. We want this to become a simple, fast and easy library for creatives offering a fair deal for contributors at 50/50.  There is one file to download, one price point and no minimum balance required to download your fees. Just let us know and we will send them by bank transfer.

Do check the site out and contact us if you would like an account. You can email us on [email protected] [nofollow].

All best,

Tim


« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2011, 14:23 »
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I took a quick peek - is 20 pounds the standard price for anything - all sizes? What is your minimum file size? 300 dpi is sort of meaningless w/o some other dimensions listed.

Having seen many new sites come and go many here (myself included) are somewhat jaded about new sites and want some assurances that we won't be spending a lot of effort only to see the site fold or worse morph into something unacceptable like a free image site.

In any case, good luck - experience suggests you will need it or some very deep pockets.

« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2011, 16:46 »
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Well so far I haven't found any "great" photography. Just stuff someone unloaded off their hard drive.

Tried to find license info on this pic

http://alpha.thepicturepod.com/details/177/withgrandad

All I really get is your T&C which includes this statement, literally

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All Content is licensed subject to The Picture Pod Content Licence the latest version of which can be found at [link].


Also is the image model released? Hitting the Buy link takes me right to Paypal. So I'm buying a pic with no known pixel dimensions? Or even a valid description?

I'm going to say you have a lot of work to do.

« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2011, 16:53 »
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Another babe in the woods. I'll check back in a couple of years.

« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2011, 17:44 »
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The content is really unimpressive.  Had a look at the "business" section and there's lots of photos that don't seem to have anything to do with business.  There's a lot of snapshots that really shouldn't be on a stock site.  Why would buyers want this?  Other sites have tried one price for one size and it doesn't attract buyers, they want more options.

It's nice having 50% commission and no payout level but it's pointless if there aren't going to be any buyers.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2011, 17:46 by sharpshot »

« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2011, 18:14 »
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Other sites have tried one price for one size and it doesn't attract buyers, they want more options.

There is this company called iStockphoto that did that with vectors and it seemed to have been working pretty well.  ;D

As others said, there are a few little issues. I would like to know the size and details of a file before I buy it. That and I noticed that the thumbnails have icons for both raster and vector, but it looked like they were all photos.

It looks like a decent start though. Just needs to be polished a bit more. Best of luck!

« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2011, 18:59 »
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Why is "fair" 50/50?

« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2011, 21:05 »
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Why is "fair" 50/50?

I can't speak from the agencies' perspective because I have no idea what their individual costs are, but from my perspective, I don't think what most agencies do for us is worth much more than 50% of the revenue. They do bring in a lot of customers, but when you start carving up those profits too thin, all those bulk sales are negated pretty quickly. 50% seems to be around the sweet spot, although I wouldn't mind getting a bill for what my share of what the advertising, reviewing and storage costs actually are. Running my own site has really opened my eyes to how little money most of these agencies actually deserve. People forget that just by uploading an image they are automatically becoming a searchable Google entry. All that tagging is pretty search engine friendly. It's basically free advertising for a variety of keywords. So if you want to see an agency produce more sales then upload more to it. Grow its catalog and search engine indexed content.

« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2011, 21:37 »
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That's kind of what I'm saying.  Why isn't 70/30 contributor/portal fair?

« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2011, 01:47 »
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That's kind of what I'm saying.  Why isn't 70/30 contributor/portal fair?

Good question. I know 80/20 was a common Illustrator/Agent split (I haven't talked to an agent in a while though), but you also had to pay half of book advertising. So, I definitely think it's a conversation worth having about what you should give or how you should pay back your agent for the work they do. Especially if you're a known commodity like yourself (maybe even a lesser commodity like me too). At what point are you more popular than the agency itself? How many loyal buyers do you have vs buyers loyal to just the agency?

« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2011, 01:58 »
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Even 90 / 10 contributor / portal would be adequate looking at how things are right now. Where is the sorting method of search results? By date, by downloads, most popular, etc?

« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2011, 02:20 »
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The content is really unimpressive.  Had a look at the "business" section and there's lots of photos that don't seem to have anything to do with business.  There's a lot of snapshots that really shouldn't be on a stock site.  Why would buyers want this?  Other sites have tried one price for one size and it doesn't attract buyers, they want more options.

It's nice having 50% commission and no payout level but it's pointless if there aren't going to be any buyers.

The 'business' section shows farm animals. I know it's still currently a test site, but that can be tested by the owner before going public with it. It's a nice looking site, but at this stage it seems evident that there isn't so much knowledge of the stock industry. Most guys here are contributors, but their knowledge is quite in-depth, I think often more than many of those who work for the agencies.

The images on the site at the moment generally aren't as good as present day microstock images and if you want microstock images on your site, why would a buyer pay 20 quid for it when they can buy microstock. There will always be people who happen to come across your site and not know about ss, dt etc, but most serious buyers are pretty savvy these days.

« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2011, 03:00 »
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Why is "fair" 50/50?
I would prefer 70% commission but who offers that now?  Alamy is the highest I use, 60% for non-exclusive.  Zymmetrical tried 70% and that was great for me, they had some buyers but then they closed.  But the commission is the least problem with The Picture Pod, they need to forget about it or do a lot of thinking about how a new site can possibly attract enough buyers.  I think anyone with business sense wouldn't enter this market unless they had something to offer that's much better than the current sites.  Showing us the site like this doesn't fill me with optimism, it's like hundreds of others that have gone nowhere.  If their USP is one price, that's been tried before, they need something much better than that.

« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2011, 03:23 »
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Hello one and all.

Thank you all for your comments, some very valid and thought provoking points there that I will take back to the team. I wasn't expecting a response at all, so I do appreciate the time you have taken to post. All I can say at this point is watch this space as we continue to grow and develop. Better to try and fail than not try at all I think! We are still really in the building up stages of the project and hence looking for contributors, people willing to take a chance to start with, even with a few images to get established. 

Just to clarify if I may. This isn't just a money making scheme from our point of view. The team behind TPP are professional creatives, owners of other businesses, (torchbox.com)(onthelevel.co), and part of a wider network, who are the very real, current, customers to many of these other providers, and simply put we would all be using TPP in terms of product and process. Quick and simple basically put. We are used to experiencing the frustrations of many providers and this was the reason for setting up this project. The photographers we have consulted with aren't microstock specialists as such I guess, but nevertheless their input has been very valuable in the early stages. Many of them are pro or semi pro and viewed this as another opportunity to add a smaller revenue stream to their full time commissions. Currently on board are http://www.oacphotography.com/, [nofollow] http://www.melaniejamesphotography.com/, [nofollow] and similar.

Please do keep comments coming. We want this to be a good resource for both contributors and customers alike and we can only improve and develop into something with carefully considered feedback for us to build on. So simply put, my question to you all is what would you like to see on the PIcture Pod as we go forwards? What would encourage you to contribute? (I can see a couple of points already on the thread) We are flexible and I'm looking forward to hearing your specific thoughts.

Many thanks again.

Tim

« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2011, 05:32 »
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Thanks for the input Tim. Microstock is pretty much a professional market now. Amateurs can enter too, but they tend not to do so well. Many on this forum are making their livings or a large part of their entire income comes from selling on microstock sites. If ur willing to adapt then you may do well.

« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2011, 07:08 »
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"Just to clarify if I may. This isn't just a money making scheme from our point of view."

So it's -also- a money making scheme?  Seriously you find it easier to create an agency from scratch with all it's legal implications including pursuing license violations and having a customer relations staff plus doing the marketing needed, than putting up with a couple of issues at existing sites that already have huge collections?

« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2011, 11:08 »
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I am impressed with this venture. Not because they've stumbled upon the perfect solution to the drawbacks of the current microstock systems. But because it does show that there are live bodies out there who are trying to find solutions that will be successful.

 I also take exception to their claim of "not just a money making scheme...". I'd feel much more comfortable had they said something like, "we're going to provide contributors with a better return, give buyers more value for their money, knock the competition into chaos, and make a huge pile of money for ourselves." Oh, and follow that up with specifics; "...and here's how we're going to do it."

Then I might take the effort to participate.


 

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