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Beppe Grillo

« on: March 08, 2013, 02:43 »
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I understand that I cannot use the photo of the tomb of any people, or photos where I can see their name if I have not a release from them, but for this I should go for a trip in the beyond

But what about the photos of famous people tombs? (famous writers as Marcel Proust or Molire, or any famous artist, painter, sculptor, actor, etc.)
Can I publish these images without any release or authorization?


« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2013, 02:54 »
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They would, like alive celebrities, be fair game.

Editorial of course. But there might be limitations commercially but the responsibility would lie with the end user.


Beppe Grillo

« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2013, 03:15 »
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2013, 05:40 »
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They would, like alive celebrities, be fair game.

Editorial of course. But there might be limitations commercially but the responsibility would lie with the end user.

Should be true but ss won't take Oscar Wilde s art. deco tomb or Napoleon s Marshall etc  from Pere lachaise

ShadySue

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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2013, 07:49 »
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They would, like alive celebrities, be fair game.

Editorial of course. But there might be limitations commercially but the responsibility would lie with the end user.

Should be true but ss won't take Oscar Wilde s art. deco tomb or Napoleon s Marshall etc  from Pere lachaise

But isn't ss famousy iffy about editorials, bizarrely needing them to be 'newsworthy'?
That said, some graveyards might be private property, therefore need some sort of permission, depending on the agency.
Alamy has some restrictions, usually if someone has rattled their cage, but their t&c put the onus firmly on the buyer. Also although prices there are falling, you might make more from the occasional sale there than the occasional sale this sort of pic might get at a micro. Alamy is certainly a long game, though.

« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2013, 08:01 »
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Don't forget famous toms almost always have statues/statuettes, made by an artist.  So the artist should be dead 75 years before you can use an image of the tomb commercially.   Because of that, I never photograph tombs with dates after 1850 (75yrs + average age 80y).

ShadySue

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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2013, 08:23 »
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Then you can debate whether these images are more likely to be used editorially or commercially.

« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2013, 08:28 »
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Well, mine were clearly intended for commercial use, as there was a model involved ...  ;)
(not selling very well to be honest).

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2013, 08:32 »
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Thanks to all for your answers.
So I will try with few images on different sites to understand how they react in front of this kind of material

And happy 8 March to "our" ladies!

RacePhoto

« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2013, 09:48 »
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Also depends on where you take them. Some cemeteries are private property and all photography for commercial use is forbidden.

As always, private property, the owner has the right to forbid photography on their premises. That's an easy one.

If it's a public property tomb, you have different conditions.

Have Fun! The next question should be, will the agencies accept them and what's the market? Does anyone want to pay for the shots?

« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2013, 11:31 »
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Beppe Grillo

« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2013, 11:48 »
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RacePhoto

« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2013, 12:14 »
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The pyramids are allowed, it seems  :)

http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?searchterm=pyramids+egypt&search_group=&lang=en&search_source=search_form


Be careful, Djet or Nunetjer could complain


Copyright and everyone involved expired, thousands of years ago.  ;)

ShadySue

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RacePhoto

« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2013, 03:18 »
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The pyramids are allowed, it seems  :)

http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?searchterm=pyramids+egypt&search_group=&lang=en&search_source=search_form


Be careful, Djet or Nunetjer could complain


Copyright and everyone involved expired, thousands of years ago.  ;)

They tried:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080115-egypt-copyright.html


Ah I see, they want to Copyright the pyramid shape now?  :o  Bad enough that someone else wants to claims rights to a mountain, that they are leasing. There's a law in Italy that protects what would be public domain in other countries. The cultural heritage and landscape law. Every country can be different, so there's no single or simple answer.

Back to the OP. Private property is private in the US, the owner holds the right to approve or restrict photography. Public artwork installed before 1923 is considered to be public domain, and can be photographed freely. If taking tomb photos in a public location, you are fine. If on private property that restricts photography, you would need a release.

Back to the usual disclaimer. The agencies make their own rules, which may not be the same as laws.

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2013, 03:31 »
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Ah I see, they want to Copyright the pyramid shape now?

What can we expect from a World in which companies are fighting for the patent of a rectangle with round angles?


 

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