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Uncle Pete

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« Reply #325 on: February 16, 2020, 19:42 »
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Rather than start a new thread I'll just revive this one.

Thousands of Spanish farmers were out protesting on Friday, their tractors gridlocking the streets of Spains third-largest city as they demanded fair prices for their products.

Since the end of January, thousands of farmers and livestock breeders have joined a growing wave of protest over low prices and rising production costs which unions say have eroded profitability across the sector.

During the late morning, thousands of demonstrators and hundreds of tractors brought the coastal city of Valencia to a halt, with tractors also blocking many roads in the southern Andalusia region.

Other rallies were taking place in Asturias in the north as well as in the northeastern region of Catalonia.

We provide food. The politicians are starving us to death, read one of many banners waved by the demonstrators. Spanish agriculture in danger of extinction said another. Others warned: The countryside and the rural way of life is dying.

Called by the sectors main unions, the protests are a collective cry for prices that are just and fair, Carmen Quintero, a COAG union official in the Cordoba area, told Spains public radio.

People from the country want to be able to make a living from their work, they want to keep on living in villages so that these villages remain alive, she said.


In other words, we have no tractors, no way to be empowered and no way to force the agencies to maintain a fair level of return. We provide photos. The agencies are starving us to death,


Tenebroso

« Reply #326 on: February 16, 2020, 19:56 »
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Rather than start a new thread I'll just revive this one.

Thousands of Spanish farmers were out protesting on Friday, their tractors gridlocking the streets of Spains third-largest city as they demanded fair prices for their products.

Since the end of January, thousands of farmers and livestock breeders have joined a growing wave of protest over low prices and rising production costs which unions say have eroded profitability across the sector.

During the late morning, thousands of demonstrators and hundreds of tractors brought the coastal city of Valencia to a halt, with tractors also blocking many roads in the southern Andalusia region.

Other rallies were taking place in Asturias in the north as well as in the northeastern region of Catalonia.

We provide food. The politicians are starving us to death, read one of many banners waved by the demonstrators. Spanish agriculture in danger of extinction said another. Others warned: The countryside and the rural way of life is dying.

Called by the sectors main unions, the protests are a collective cry for prices that are just and fair, Carmen Quintero, a COAG union official in the Cordoba area, told Spains public radio.

People from the country want to be able to make a living from their work, they want to keep on living in villages so that these villages remain alive, she said.


In other words, we have no tractors, no way to be empowered and no way to force the agencies to maintain a fair level of return. We provide photos. The agencies are starving us to death,



Yo te sigo, vamos!! I follow you, come on!

Yes, Agriculture in Spain is difficult. The theme is to organize. A leader, and organize. Prepare for those who are not in the union to be rejected by customers. Leave the closet. The world, the media are our forte, as long as one takes two minutes, they roll heads in the agencies and start treating us with respect. Organization, leader, and noise, a lot of noise on the internet.

Respect for copyright. Worthy Price Abolition of thieves. It is not that complicated. Make noise outside. Only six people speak here, but many people read it. Get out of here organized.
Making a cooperative to sell or an international microstocker union is not the way out, the way out is that a news report on the National level, then, is all much simpler and love and dialogue on the part of the agencies.


Translated, if a National Informative of the USA gives the news of the problems of the creators of content in the whole planet, then, it is all hurry and love to solve it. Therefore, noise, a lot of noise, organized in the media.

Tenebroso

« Reply #327 on: February 16, 2020, 20:18 »
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Write a paper, signed by 300 or 16k content creators. Official Press Release and to wait.


Someone with correct English who develops the problems of a sector in crisis.


And to wait. Official Press Release from the Content Creators of the Planet.


Develop the points, and send it to all the media of the planet, Blogs, Facebook, Google, etc, .......

To do this, we must know if we have problems, what they are, and translate them into a document, I sign the writing if it is appropriate.
If nothing is achieved, at least, we have tried.
The planet cannot read my thoughts, therefore, I will make it easy for the planet to understand me without having to read my thoughts, I will simply tell the world, since the world may be interested in behind the scenes of a sector that feeds every word of this world with files. Our work. Important it is? Well, let's explain to the world what happens to us.

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« Reply #328 on: February 16, 2020, 21:47 »
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...if a National Informative of the USA gives the news of the problems of the creators of content in the whole planet, then, it is all hurry and love to solve it.

I'd be very surprised if that were the case! I think the news agencies would find it barely worth reporting, and the general public would probably just scroll past it.

Tenebroso

« Reply #329 on: February 16, 2020, 21:49 »
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I'll shut up. But before closing my mouth ......


I am going to open a forum in Spain so that these topics are known in the second most important language on the planet. I am your non-rival partner. Count on me to reach the maximum number of media on the planet with Spanish.
Meanwhile, I will keep trying to improve on my work. For now, until the current SS illustrations examiner leaves, I will continue with photographs. This is my current problem. There are a lot of competition and the market is complicated.


To eliminate the agencies, the solution is that Google, put professional reviewers, put in each country the real trend files, not the subjective tastes of the agencies, pay us a guaranteed minimum that is 100% of the price, and be charged with the service as the owner of the planet and the power of user traffic data, tastes, trends, location, the need of each human, information destination,  further enhance their power.

Exclusivity to Google and end with agencies. Each file stored with block chain for eternity and the automatic complaint for copyright infringement. Inheritance of files by system. Anyway, a dream. The beneficiary's inheritance of my work must be my heir, not the agency.

If someone does not want to buy from google, it will be left AS.

If someone does not want to buy from Google, they will have the option of AS or the subjective tastes of the SS team.


A true dream. Google does not have to buy any agency, the collaborators would release all the files to the search kings. Searches of real trend of customers, real need, not, the sad tastes of some. May they survive, may the best win, not those decided by the agencies. There are real professionals on the planet who do not develop what they can or want to create, they create what they know that the agencies place in relevant. the quality would improve, since the current tastes of the offer are outdated.

georgep7

« Reply #330 on: February 17, 2020, 02:22 »
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In other words, we have no tractors, no way to be empowered and no way to force the agencies to maintain a fair level of return. We provide photos. The agencies are starving us to death,
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Asked and answered by you Uncle Pete!

TBH in my country, farmers get the tractors and close the roads the period of the year that they do not have work to do.
KIlling other business like goods transportation or tourism. Not a good solution I believe.
Nobody cares on other's problems is the hard truth. Only if affects them.
As many times said if major contributors pulled their ports massively, yes, that would be a way to make it client/agency problem I guess.

« Reply #331 on: February 17, 2020, 04:33 »
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In other words, we have no tractors, no way to be empowered and no way to force the agencies to maintain a fair level of return. We provide photos. The agencies are starving us to death,
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Asked and answered by you Uncle Pete!

TBH in my country, farmers get the tractors and close the roads the period of the year that they do not have work to do.
KIlling other business like goods transportation or tourism. Not a good solution I believe.
Nobody cares on other's problems is the hard truth. Only if affects them.
As many times said if major contributors pulled their ports massively, yes, that would be a way to make it client/agency problem I guess.

You can't go to strike if the other workers don't. All of them.

Ask in Kiev for stop uploading and remove ports.


georgep7

« Reply #332 on: February 17, 2020, 05:11 »
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I understad that above.

I have a semi offtopic question. Just curious.
Does anyone know the average amount of inactive user portfolios that sell but no one collects?
It would be interesting to see what percentage of 100% cut on sales agencies legally keep.

« Reply #333 on: February 17, 2020, 05:14 »
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I understad that above.

I have a semi offtopic question. Just curious.
Does anyone know the average amount of inactive user portfolios that sell but no one collects?
It would be interesting to see what percentage of 100% cut on sales agencies legally keep.

I think this is one of the keys of this industry.

« Reply #334 on: February 17, 2020, 09:02 »
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Agencies have only one purpose: to make money. It is absurd to think that they will take care of the artists if they find it more profitable not to do so.

The only way to change them is to make them change through the competition. They need profit margins to give dividends to their investors.

If we create a new agency, a cooperative with 100, 200, 1,000 members where each one contributes $ 100 or $ 500 and owns shares of the company, and its goal is not to make money as an agency, but as photographers, cameramen, illustrators .. And all that is earned is reinvested in the create of a online platform, paying commercials that find large clients, investing in advertising. We would not even have to worry about creating the company, we can hire a small group of people who program the platform, manage it and make the daily executive decisions, and thanks to the digital platforms the investment partners - US - supervise and guide our CEO.

In this way, we could compete with the big agencies because we do not seek the benefit, but only pay fair commissions to the artists.

« Reply #335 on: February 17, 2020, 11:34 »
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Count me in. I have always been a proponent of the cooperative model, but I think you would really be looking at 10,000 contributors and more like $1,000 each to be even close to realistic. Instead of starting from scratch you might want to look at making a play for one of the smaller agencies instead, leveraging their existing infrastructure and client base as a foundation to build on.

Just like Stocksy though I think you would initially need to be very selective in the kind of content and contributors you accept. High quality content and exclusivity would be critical in my mind for such a thing to gain traction, so vetting contributors who understand this and who will abide by it would be just one of the challenges. Some others of course would be pricing, marketing.strategies, curation, organizational structure, key personnel, renumeratiion,  etc..Curious to hear your thoughts on those.

« Reply #336 on: February 19, 2020, 05:39 »
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To find 10,000 contributors to risk $1,000 dollars is totally unrealistic. A small co-operative with top quality photographers with the same values and mind set is conceivable and thats what I believe Stocksy are. I can't see how taking the likes of Shutterstock/Adobe Istock head on from zero is remotely feasible.

« Reply #337 on: February 19, 2020, 07:16 »
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I can't see how taking the likes of Shutterstock/Adobe Istock head on from zero is remotely feasible.

Exactly. But if the goal is to create something that is a viable alternative for MS contributors then I don't think we or the market need another Stocksy. My point was that a small number of contributors with very limited resources is a non-starter in the first place.


« Reply #338 on: February 19, 2020, 08:31 »
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I can't see how taking the likes of Shutterstock/Adobe Istock head on from zero is remotely feasible.

Exactly. But if the goal is to create something that is a viable alternative for MS contributors then I don't think we or the market need another Stocksy. My point was that a small number of contributors with very limited resources is a non-starter in the first place.
I think there can be niches for the very best in the market though but they have to have markedly superior or hard to get content to achieve that...and by definition thats a very small number.  The "mass market" of what are now commodity images has no long term future for suppliers.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #339 on: February 19, 2020, 12:58 »
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To find 10,000 contributors to risk $1,000 dollars is totally unrealistic. A small co-operative with top quality photographers with the same values and mind set is conceivable and thats what I believe Stocksy are. I can't see how taking the likes of Shutterstock/Adobe Istock head on from zero is remotely feasible.

If I started my own agency tomorrow. LOL  ;D I'd have very strict rules about spam, similar images, quality control and keywords that were only what's actually in the image. Exception of course for concepts, moods, and some of that.

Someone here did try to start an agency, he only took proven people who could be trusted to do self review. First thing that happened was all kinds of others who couldn't get in were screaming and crying about how they should have been part of it. Co-op would need to be the same, and then share based on sales over the period, not how many images. In other words, after expenses, each member would get a cut, based on their portion of the net, based on their gross.

Conclusion, no one would like me, rejected people would be up in arms, and anyone who was in and didn't sell would be claiming they were capped, hidden, being ignored for others who are favorites and "Mom always liked you best".

Now about tractors blocking roads and protests for wages. Here's the reason I posted that and here's the simple answer.

We have no power. You can't form a union without leverage and control. If 80% of the artists all went in together and said "no more new images, until we get better pay and better treatment" nothing would change, because the agencies don't care. The other 20% could provide almost everything that's needed.

People claim that boycotts have worked, protests, closing accounts and all that, but only in their imagination. The industry continues to go downhill as far as income or return for work, for artists. Without something to hold up or some power over the agencies, we have nothing, no way to get better wages or better treatment.

Every time this form a union topic comes up, it boils down to the same answer. No leverage, no power, nothing will change. Sign all the petitions you want, the best of them hardly got a good number. If you can't even get a group to sign a petition, how will you get them to stop working, delete all their files and form a protest boycott?

Now about my own or your own agency...  ;) This one is for sale?  https://glstock.com/  already up and running, software, customers, ready to Rock and Roll.


csm

« Reply #340 on: February 19, 2020, 13:38 »
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If Pond5 changes you can always leave.

Have you ever left a place where you were exclusive for years??

I have.

You cannot just take your 10 000 files, place them elsewhere and immediately earn the same as before.

All your files and your entire portfolio need to build up their individual rankings, get light boxed by customers for future use etc...etc...

The Istock exclusives did a large scale practical experiment and most needed several years to regain their original income. Some never even made it, and gave up.

I only know of one person who regained his income in 6 months, but he was exceptionally well prepared before leaving, got himself into specialized exclusive places to help boost his sales etc...and probably got very little sleep.

So, if you really depend on your income and it pays your family bills...no...you cannot just hop up and go elsewhere.

if you do stock as more of a hobby and have a steady day job, that is a different thing.

But if you have well running portfolios, to just abandon them completely, is extremely risky.

For me supporting several places is a life insurance for my business.

Also I do not EVER want tobe  fully dependent on just one management team and their investors. No matter how nice they are.

But to each his own, those who would prefer to just have a system like when Getty totally dominated everything...good luck to you...

I had exclusive content with Corbis until they closed in 2016.
I shot exclusively with them for 15 years, someone said to me "What would you do if Corbis closed?" I had no answer.
Then they closed.
I'm still trying to get on a an even keel 4 years on.
But this time being non exclusive to everyone, I'm not going to get stung again.

georgep7

« Reply #341 on: February 19, 2020, 14:15 »
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Still a newbie, perhaps i have a wrong picture of stock in total.
Yes farmers do have unions and do have power to protest.
But are we actually farmers or the cows/eggs/harvest?
???

To find 10,000 contributors to risk $1,000 dollars is totally unrealistic. A small co-operative with top quality photographers with the same values and mind set is conceivable and thats what I believe Stocksy are. I can't see how taking the likes of Shutterstock/Adobe Istock head on from zero is remotely feasible.

If I started my own agency tomorrow. LOL  ;D I'd have very strict rules about spam, similar images, quality control and keywords that were only what's actually in the image. Exception of course for concepts, moods, and some of that.

Someone here did try to start an agency, he only took proven people who could be trusted to do self review. First thing that happened was all kinds of others who couldn't get in were screaming and crying about how they should have been part of it. Co-op would need to be the same, and then share based on sales over the period, not how many images. In other words, after expenses, each member would get a cut, based on their portion of the net, based on their gross.

Conclusion, no one would like me, rejected people would be up in arms, and anyone who was in and didn't sell would be claiming they were capped, hidden, being ignored for others who are favorites and "Mom always liked you best".

Now about tractors blocking roads and protests for wages. Here's the reason I posted that and here's the simple answer.

We have no power. You can't form a union without leverage and control. If 80% of the artists all went in together and said "no more new images, until we get better pay and better treatment" nothing would change, because the agencies don't care. The other 20% could provide almost everything that's needed.

People claim that boycotts have worked, protests, closing accounts and all that, but only in their imagination. The industry continues to go downhill as far as income or return for work, for artists. Without something to hold up or some power over the agencies, we have nothing, no way to get better wages or better treatment.

Every time this form a union topic comes up, it boils down to the same answer. No leverage, no power, nothing will change. Sign all the petitions you want, the best of them hardly got a good number. If you can't even get a group to sign a petition, how will you get them to stop working, delete all their files and form a protest boycott?

Now about my own or your own agency...  ;) This one is for sale?  https://glstock.com/  already up and running, software, customers, ready to Rock and Roll.


Tenebroso

« Reply #342 on: February 19, 2020, 14:48 »
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I say yes. A lot of chicken and too many roosters.

« Reply #343 on: February 22, 2020, 07:24 »
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What i hear is that we have some chance of forming a union, a very limited chance of setting up an agency on our own. What other models have worked in the past for something like this.

For example what does the music or literature industry practice, can we get some ideas from that.

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« Reply #344 on: February 22, 2020, 08:38 »
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and the general public would probably just scroll past it.

The general public does not even understand that there is a problem.

An aqauintance of mine was just sentenced for using two pictures on his website without paying one of the stock agencies for a license. Im quite sure he did that by mistake without knowing he was doing something wrong.

There was a whole discussion on his facebook page about that. Any many users screaming how "unfair" that agency was to impeach him for using those two pictures. They should be free and they found it ridicolous agencies do charge money for pictures.

I tried to explain my side of the coin that photographers do earn their living by selling licenses.

But it clearly showed that the majority of people do not understand how much work a photographer puts into his pictures and that he/she should be paid for that. The majority believes pics should be free  :-\

georgep7

« Reply #345 on: February 22, 2020, 08:58 »
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But it clearly showed that the majority of people do not understand how much work a photographer puts into his pictures and that he/she should be paid for that. The majority believes pics should be free  :-\

Not bringing anything new to the conversation, the answer is "fine, don't pay a dime, make the pictures yourself, i will not work for you for less than....".

But if you want a real argument: photographers used to hide behind "high priced equipment" and "studies" and "art" excuses.
Now everyone with a phone and by watching a couple of "tutorials" is a photographer, not to mention the new "no-rules, add filters" trends
plus the web is flooded with "how to earn..." in photography or any other profession.

Perhaps i am biased or just wrong, I am not a photographer after all :P

SpaceStockFootage

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« Reply #346 on: February 22, 2020, 14:07 »
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The biggest hurdle when negotiating a fair price (if a union were to form), or getting the general public onboard, is always going to be: agencies saying they pay enough, and contributors say they don't... but what should be the fair price (or percentage) per download? If $79 a clip is fair... why isn't $69, $59, $49, $39, $29, $19, $9 a clip? What is the perfect amount per download?

So for example... take the farmers. Everything is quantifiable. The amount of land, cost for the land, cost for the crops, fertiliser, harvesting, storage, transportation etc. Savings can be made, economies of scale, increased efficiency, but tat the end of the day the production price is going to be pretty similar, and the sale price is going to be pretty similar. If it's costing you $500 to produce a ton of spuds and you're getting $10,000 then that's a great deal. If it's costing you $500 and you're getting $510 then that's a terrible deal.

But the whole 'multiple sales per item' concept muddies the water to an extreme extent that makes it impossible to tell for the lay person whether it's fair or not. Your time and costs are quantifiable, but the total amount you'll earn is not. While highlighting percentages could be the way to go, you'll have trouble getting people behind you if those percentage result in a high income, no matter how low the percentages are. Take wait staff for example. You hear they're not getting a salary and only get 1% of the price of the tab... there will be universal outrage. You then hear that the average tab is $5000 and they get around 100 of those a week... people are going to wonder what you're complaining about.

And that's where the agencies have a get out of jail free card. You can tell the general public about a stock contributor who has trouble making ends meet, can't pay medical bills, has to work other jobs, has kid to support and that they can't pay the bills... the agencies will tell the general public about Yuri or the likes. In that way, it's more of a meritocracy. Same as the music industry... some relatively unknown selling 10 records a week probably gets the same percentage and amount per sale as Beiber or Timberlake, where as one is broke and one is loaded. That's been happening forever, but I've never seen a campaign to get behind Dave the Travelling Death Metal singer for his low income. It's definitely not been front page news!

But yeah, there probably is a percentage that's just a step too far when it comes to any kind of agency that sells creative content on behalf of others. I think 50% to 70% is pretty much ideal, but I'm signed up to agencies who pay out a lot less than that. I want good rates and high sales for anyone who creates content for sale, but I just have trouble seeing how any of us can generate any kind of support when people can earn wildly differing amounts with the same percentage cut and for the same number of items in their portfolio.

Potential conversation....

They cut our rates from 15% to 25%
My God that's terrible, so much do you earn now?
About 1000 a month
That's harsh man, and what about you Dave, about 1000 as well?
No, I make about 10,000 a month.
Wow, so you get a higher percentage?
No, the same, I just have ten times more items that Pete.
So why don't you just make 10 times more items Pete?
Well it's not quite as simple as that.
Ok, Barry how much are you making?
I make 5000 a month.
Ok, so you have half as may items are Dave?
No, i have about 25% of the items Dave has.
Right, I'm confused... so if you had the same number of items as Dave, you'd be making 20,000 a month?
Maybe.
This is super confusing. So does 15% result in a fair take-home wage or not?
Likely answers: Absolutely, yes, kind of, maybe, not really, no, absolutely not.

Bottom line... is 15% to the creator and 85% to the agency a sh***y deal? Absolutely. Will you have trouble getting the general public behind you if anyone on that 15% is making more than minimum wage, a living wage, average wage, considerably higher than average wage? Absolutely. And each of the agencies will have plenty of evidence to support people on whatever their percentage is, making a decent amount of money.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #347 on: February 22, 2020, 15:02 »
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What i hear is that we have some chance of forming a union, a very limited chance of setting up an agency on our own. What other models have worked in the past for something like this.

For example what does the music or literature industry practice, can we get some ideas from that.

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They have demand for specific artists, they have individual works that take very special people, to create. (not that many people here aren't special, or creative or true individual artists) But the main problem is, anyone with a camera can upload photos, and become a contributor.

You can go join the musicians union, I was a member because we couldn't work some places, unless we were members. I have all kinds of instruments, training and experience. That in no way guarantees I'll get hired or make money. You can swing a dead rat and hit a fantastic musician, start with guitar players, too many concert level piano players. No shortage, no demand higher than the supply, no money.

Stock photos union would be like trying to for a union for people who pick clover or watch birds and smell flowers. Our work has become common, easy to find and there's no power or control to force the agencies to pay us a far wage. I'll add again, there are some amazing and fantastic artists in stock photography. Creative people, smart, thinking, hard working. But plain and simple, there's far too much product and not enough buyers demanding the top work, for a top price.



The public doesn't care or support us and they wouldn't care if we were union or not.

No Power, nothing to withhold, no control over production or distribution = no union, no higher wages.

Website for sale in the Internet industry
https://flippa.com/10404426-marketplace-design-and-style

Starting price $5,000 USD no bids, reserve not met.

GLstock is relisted

« Reply #348 on: February 22, 2020, 16:19 »
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there is only one reason people bying content:
they need it.

its your fault if you offer too cheap.

if content gets withdrawn and put to a reasonable place,
buyers go there -simple as that

btw, just wondering, usually if someone comes up here with words like fair, idea, union...
this forum outrages freaking out


« Reply #349 on: February 23, 2020, 00:25 »
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What i hear is that we have some chance of forming a union, a very limited chance of setting up an agency on our own. What other models have worked in the past for something like this.

For example what does the music or literature industry practice, can we get some ideas from that.

Sent from my HD1901 using Tapatalk

They have demand for specific artists, they have individual works that take very special people, to create. (not that many people here aren't special, or creative or true individual artists) But the main problem is, anyone with a camera can upload photos, and become a contributor.

You can go join the musicians union, I was a member because we couldn't work some places, unless we were members. I have all kinds of instruments, training and experience. That in no way guarantees I'll get hired or make money. You can swing a dead rat and hit a fantastic musician, start with guitar players, too many concert level piano players. No shortage, no demand higher than the supply, no money.

Stock photos union would be like trying to for a union for people who pick clover or watch birds and smell flowers. Our work has become common, easy to find and there's no power or control to force the agencies to pay us a far wage. I'll add again, there are some amazing and fantastic artists in stock photography. Creative people, smart, thinking, hard working. But plain and simple, there's far too much product and not enough buyers demanding the top work, for a top price.



The public doesn't care or support us and they wouldn't care if we were union or not.

No Power, nothing to withhold, no control over production or distribution = no union, no higher wages.

Website for sale in the Internet industry
https://flippa.com/10404426-marketplace-design-and-style

Starting price $5,000 USD no bids, reserve not met.

GLstock is relisted
This is great stuff, so what could be the possibility of next steps

1. Awareness campaign to the public that photos and videos do cost money to make and hence are things to be paid for.

2. Push agencies not on the meritocracy and absolute value of earning bit but on the share of the price given to photographers. Its like saying there can always be a warren/bill gates/elon musk but that does not mean we make it less fair for others.

3. Upgrade skills, what can the photographer community do that is not easily replicable by the bloke with the phone? How do we stay relevant in this age?

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