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« on: June 05, 2019, 09:22 »
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Hi everybody, is there a way to editorial content reviewed urgently. I'm hoping to shoot some news worthy images and want to get them uploaded and accepted while the news or event is still fresh.
I'm posting to the normal suspects SS, DT, iStock etc.

Thanks


« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2019, 13:33 »
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Pretty much no, unless something new has been added in the last year.  I asked this same question a year ago and was told that news outlets rarely go to stock agencies for breaking news, and that stock agencies do nothing to court them.

« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2019, 14:00 »
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Just a wild guess, if the material is that sure that it will be asked to be bought for the news, sameday /night render lowres files with a big watermark and flood twitter and other social media with it. After all why share revenue of something that specific and time sensitive with stock agencies?

« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2019, 14:15 »
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Pretty much no, unless something new has been added in the last year.  I asked this same question a year ago and was told that news outlets rarely go to stock agencies for breaking news, and that stock agencies do nothing to court them.

Really??? Most media outlets go to stock agencies that cater to real verified photo journalists, not the type of photo journalists that have a flaky SS media pass... Just sayin.


ShadySue

« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2019, 14:22 »
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Pretty much no, unless something new has been added in the last year.  I asked this same question a year ago and was told that news outlets rarely go to stock agencies for breaking news, and that stock agencies do nothing to court them.

Really??? Most media outlets go to stock agencies that cater to real verified photo journalists, not the type of photo journalists that have a flaky SS media pass... Just sayin.

I assumed that mindstorm meant 'micro-stock agencies'.

« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2019, 15:08 »
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I assumed that mindstorm meant 'micro-stock agencies'.

Yes, you are correct. Thx.

This is a MICROStock forum, and thus we use "stock agency" to really mean "micro-stock agency."  I have no direct knowledge of how the news stock agencies run, only that they do not turn to micro-stock agencies for media on current breaking news.

Personally I prefer not to get involved with trolls trying to nitpick language to find a wedge to drive. Language should be used to communicate, not to confuse.  I doubt very much that Clair Not-so-Voyant is really so obtuse as to not understand what was being intended in my prior post..

« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2019, 15:53 »
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Out of the agencies listed here alemy does have that tick box. You do see these cretited in media.quite often.
With dreamstime you submit as editorial then click the contact form on the submissions page but I don't know where they distribute to though.

ShadySue

« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2019, 16:05 »
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Out of the agencies listed here alemy does have that tick box. You do see these cretited in media.quite often.
Alamy changed Live News recently and now they really only want people who are committing to seeking out and submitting sellable Live News on a very regular basis.
There is some thought that if you have Live News and submit it directly to their editors, your files may be looked on favourably, but I don't think that's been established.
You also have the option of submitting news as Reportage. The advantages are that reportage files go into general stock very quickly (immediately?), and you get a much longer description field. The downside is that for ever afterwards there's a note on the file saying it might not be up to normal standards, even if it is; also Reportage files don't go into the Live News feed, or get pinged out to editors.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2019, 02:25 by ShadySue »

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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2019, 16:13 »
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Out of the agencies listed here alemy does have that tick box. You do see these cretited in media.quite often.
Alamy changed Live News recently and now they really only want people who are committing to seeking out and submitting sellable Live News on a very regular basis.
There is some thought that if you have Live News and submit it directly to their editors, your files may be looked on favourably, but I don't think that's been established.
You also have the option of submitting news as Reportage. The advantages are that reportage files go into general stock very quickly (immediately), and you get a much longer description field. The downside is that for ever afterwards there's a note on the file saying it might not be up to normal standards, even if it is; also Reportage files don't go into the Live News feed, or get pinged out to editors.

I'm not sure that Reportage is News. Not the way Alamy handles it. I've applied and they said, my content was news, not "reportage". But of course we speak different English across the pond? I could try to find the reply and information, it was last year.  :)

Alamy is the only one I know that has a track for news, but there are some other agencies that take Editorial news, if someone applies in advance, and has access to what they are looking for. The citizen journalist sites? But they scare me more than impress me.

Pretty much no, unless something new has been added in the last year.  I asked this same question a year ago and was told that news outlets rarely go to stock agencies for breaking news, and that stock agencies do nothing to court them.

Really??? Most media outlets go to stock agencies that cater to real verified photo journalists, not the type of photo journalists that have a flaky SS media pass... Just sayin.


SS media pass, tell me about those? Never heard of such a thing?

ShadySue

« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2019, 16:25 »
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Out of the agencies listed here alemy does have that tick box. You do see these cretited in media.quite often.
Alamy changed Live News recently and now they really only want people who are committing to seeking out and submitting sellable Live News on a very regular basis.
There is some thought that if you have Live News and submit it directly to their editors, your files may be looked on favourably, but I don't think that's been established.
You also have the option of submitting news as Reportage. The advantages are that reportage files go into general stock very quickly (immediately), and you get a much longer description field. The downside is that for ever afterwards there's a note on the file saying it might not be up to normal standards, even if it is; also Reportage files don't go into the Live News feed, or get pinged out to editors.

I'm not sure that Reportage is News. Not the way Alamy handles it. I've applied and they said, my content was news, not "reportage". But of course we speak different English across the pond? I could try to find the reply and information, it was last year.  :)

Yebbut watch my lips: "Alamy changed Live News recently and now they really only want people who are committing to seeking out and submitting sellable Live News on a very regular basis."
In short, many people had their Live News upload facility closed. At first it was supposed to be if your Live News hadn't sold as Live News (not counting future general stock sales of these files), but in fact, some people (I know one personally) who had sold Live News files as such, had their uploading stopped, and weren't reinstated on appeal, no explanation given.
If people were never Live News submitters, they can apply with recent tear sheets of news files in use, but it seems to be taking a long time.

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/11370-live-news/?tab=comments#comment-206491

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/11585-how-to-successfully-apply-for-live-news-image-upload-service/?tab=comments#comment-210699

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/11627-my-live-news/?tab=comments#comment-211466

About a week after they sent the emails out to people from whom they were removing the Live News upload facility, they sent a second email out to those who have had Live News images subsequently selling as stock to tell them they could now upload via the Reportage route. So although I had never applied to upload Reportage/Archive, these are now in black on my upload page, so I could do it if I wished, but my Live News is now greyed out.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2019, 19:18 by ShadySue »

« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2019, 21:16 »
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I assumed that mindstorm meant 'micro-stock agencies'.

Yes, you are correct. Thx.

This is a MICROStock forum, and thus we use "stock agency" to really mean "micro-stock agency."  I have no direct knowledge of how the news stock agencies run, only that they do not turn to micro-stock agencies for media on current breaking news.

Personally I prefer not to get involved with trolls trying to nitpick language to find a wedge to drive. Language should be used to communicate, not to confuse.  I doubt very much that Clair Not-so-Voyant is really so obtuse as to not understand what was being intended in my prior post..

with all due respect, i replied to what you said, not what you intended to say. if you intended to say something differing from what you said then you should have done so, and if that was clear and concise then perhaps, i would have replied differently. what part of "news outlets rarely go to stock agencies for breaking news, and that stock agencies do nothing to court them" did i not understand? and yes you are correct, language should be used to communicate, not to confuse. you are either pregnant or you aren't, you can't be sort of pregnant.

« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2019, 22:31 »
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I assumed that mindstorm meant 'micro-stock agencies'.

Yes, you are correct. Thx.

This is a MICROStock forum, and thus we use "stock agency" to really mean "micro-stock agency."  I have no direct knowledge of how the news stock agencies run, only that they do not turn to micro-stock agencies for media on current breaking news.

Personally I prefer not to get involved with trolls trying to nitpick language to find a wedge to drive. Language should be used to communicate, not to confuse.  I doubt very much that Clair Not-so-Voyant is really so obtuse as to not understand what was being intended in my prior post..


To be fair, there are discussions here, now and again, about stock agencies, not just microstock agencies. Calm down.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2019, 22:34 by cathyslife »

« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2019, 23:30 »
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Out of the agencies listed here alemy does have that tick box. You do see these cretited in media.quite often.

But Alamy does not accept editorial media (do they??).  I would expect that any breaking news media would be editorial -- it is not likely that you would go on the scene of a fire or car crash and get model releases...

« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2019, 23:33 »
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To be fair, there are discussions here, now and again, about stock agencies, not just microstock agencies.

I have never seen one.  Not a single one.  EVERY discussion that I have read has on this forum has ALWAYS been about MicroStock agencies... which incidentally is the title of the forum...

« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2019, 01:17 »
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To be fair, there are discussions here, now and again, about stock agencies, not just microstock agencies.

I have never seen one.  Not a single one.  EVERY discussion that I have read has on this forum has ALWAYS been about MicroStock agencies... which incidentally is the title of the forum...

Here is the recipe for chocolate walnut muffins https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-macrostock/

But really honestly I intended to say here is a link to 1855 posts on anything but micro-stock on this very site https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-macrostock/

I trust you can differentiate between my intended topic and direction.

BTW this is now officially a troll post... just sayin.

ShadySue

« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2019, 02:12 »
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Out of the agencies listed here alemy does have that tick box. You do see these cretited in media.quite often.

But Alamy does not accept editorial media (do they??).  I would expect that any breaking news media would be editorial
Alamy is primarily an editorial agency, although they do accept and sell released images too.
(Are you getting mixed up with Adobe, which I think I've read don't take editorial submissions from most contributors?)

« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2019, 08:24 »
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Alamy is primarily an editorial agency, although they do accept and sell released images too.
(Are you getting mixed up with Adobe, which I think I've read don't take editorial submissions from most contributors?)

I have not been uploading stuff to them recently, and was thinking it was because they did not accept editorial.  Checking now, I see the actual issue is that they don't accept video clips, which is what i have been working on for the last month. 

And, looking at my past sales through Alamy, I do see that some of my editorial images have sold there (one for $42.50).  Interestingly though, the highest dollar sales for me are all commercial (ie, not editorial) images. Highest value $85.75, one at $75.00, and several in the over-$10 range.  (I don't get a lot of downloads on Alamy, but when one is made, it pays 100 times a download on SS...)


« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2019, 11:48 »
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« Last Edit: June 06, 2019, 13:51 by Clair Voyant »

« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2019, 14:53 »
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Pretty much no, unless something new has been added in the last year.  I asked this same question a year ago and was told that news outlets rarely go to stock agencies for breaking news, and that stock agencies do nothing to court them.
Alamy has a section for same day news. I have not used that option yet so I dont know how fast they review

ShadySue

« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2019, 15:14 »
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Pretty much no, unless something new has been added in the last year.  I asked this same question a year ago and was told that news outlets rarely go to stock agencies for breaking news, and that stock agencies do nothing to court them.
Alamy has a section for same day news. I have not used that option yet so I dont know how fast they review
It's virtually immediate, they go straight onto the Live News Feed, and the best are pinged out to relevant newsdesks.
However, see links in my post above to see how is has changed since April this year.

« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2019, 15:36 »
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Pretty much no, unless something new has been added in the last year.  I asked this same question a year ago and was told that news outlets rarely go to stock agencies for breaking news, and that stock agencies do nothing to court them.
Alamy has a section for same day news. I have not used that option yet so I dont know how fast they review
It's virtually immediate, they go straight onto the Live News Feed, and the best are pinged out to relevant newsdesks.
However, see links in my post above to see how is has changed since April this year.

Okay, thank you for the information


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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2019, 06:01 »
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Out of the agencies listed here alemy does have that tick box. You do see these cretited in media.quite often.
Alamy changed Live News recently and now they really only want people who are committing to seeking out and submitting sellable Live News on a very regular basis.
There is some thought that if you have Live News and submit it directly to their editors, your files may be looked on favourably, but I don't think that's been established.
You also have the option of submitting news as Reportage. The advantages are that reportage files go into general stock very quickly (immediately), and you get a much longer description field. The downside is that for ever afterwards there's a note on the file saying it might not be up to normal standards, even if it is; also Reportage files don't go into the Live News feed, or get pinged out to editors.

I'm not sure that Reportage is News. Not the way Alamy handles it. I've applied and they said, my content was news, not "reportage". But of course we speak different English across the pond? I could try to find the reply and information, it was last year.  :)

Yebbut watch my lips: "Alamy changed Live News recently and now they really only want people who are committing to seeking out and submitting sellable Live News on a very regular basis."
In short, many people had their Live News upload facility closed. At first it was supposed to be if your Live News hadn't sold as Live News (not counting future general stock sales of these files), but in fact, some people (I know one personally) who had sold Live News files as such, had their uploading stopped, and weren't reinstated on appeal, no explanation given.
If people were never Live News submitters, they can apply with recent tear sheets of news files in use, but it seems to be taking a long time.

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/11370-live-news/?tab=comments#comment-206491

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/11585-how-to-successfully-apply-for-live-news-image-upload-service/?tab=comments#comment-210699

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/11627-my-live-news/?tab=comments#comment-211466

About a week after they sent the emails out to people from whom they were removing the Live News upload facility, they sent a second email out to those who have had Live News images subsequently selling as stock to tell them they could now upload via the Reportage route. So although I had never applied to upload Reportage/Archive, these are now in black on my upload page, so I could do it if I wished, but my Live News is now greyed out.

Here's what I was looking for. I finally had some time to sit still and find the email from Alamy

Our archive and reportage upload route was created for content with historical value that otherwise would struggle to pass our quality control. A few examples of this are collections of scans from WW2, vintage poster designs or coverage of war zones like Syria where it is very difficult to avoid technical errors as camera shake etc.

So all though the work might be classified as reportage or editorial it might not fit our criteria for the upload route. Images uploaded through archive route will come with a warning about possible damage to quality for our customers, so its beneficial for the photographer to upload these images to stock if the quality allows them to do so.

The Stockimo app has a News function which you can use to upload directly from events, but this is only for images shot with camera phones. So if you mainly take your pictures with a DSLR then its better to upload you Live News content directly to our News team, or through stock if the content is older than 24 hours.


She called it the archive and reportage route and the question was, why do I keep getting rejected for reportage when I'm shooting newsworthy events?

Meanwhile you read the Alamy forum more than I do, and the programs have changed, yet again? Live news only on a regular basis?  ::) I think they don't know what they want sometimes. Oh but Stockimo for news, which is forbidden to discuss on the Alamy forum is what they do want... but there's no forum for that. LOL

Repeating, I shoot sports events throughout the Summer, and I was refused for Alamy "reportage" as they said, I was providing the wrong kind of content for that classification. At least that's the way I read it?

If you can make sense of the latest version of Alamy News, please try.

ShadySue

« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2019, 06:27 »
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Out of the agencies listed here alemy does have that tick box. You do see these cretited in media.quite often.
Alamy changed Live News recently and now they really only want people who are committing to seeking out and submitting sellable Live News on a very regular basis.
There is some thought that if you have Live News and submit it directly to their editors, your files may be looked on favourably, but I don't think that's been established.
You also have the option of submitting news as Reportage. The advantages are that reportage files go into general stock very quickly (immediately), and you get a much longer description field. The downside is that for ever afterwards there's a note on the file saying it might not be up to normal standards, even if it is; also Reportage files don't go into the Live News feed, or get pinged out to editors.

I'm not sure that Reportage is News. Not the way Alamy handles it. I've applied and they said, my content was news, not "reportage". But of course we speak different English across the pond? I could try to find the reply and information, it was last year.  :)

Yebbut watch my lips: "Alamy changed Live News recently and now they really only want people who are committing to seeking out and submitting sellable Live News on a very regular basis."
In short, many people had their Live News upload facility closed. At first it was supposed to be if your Live News hadn't sold as Live News (not counting future general stock sales of these files), but in fact, some people (I know one personally) who had sold Live News files as such, had their uploading stopped, and weren't reinstated on appeal, no explanation given.
If people were never Live News submitters, they can apply with recent tear sheets of news files in use, but it seems to be taking a long time.

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/11370-live-news/?tab=comments#comment-206491

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/11585-how-to-successfully-apply-for-live-news-image-upload-service/?tab=comments#comment-210699

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/11627-my-live-news/?tab=comments#comment-211466

About a week after they sent the emails out to people from whom they were removing the Live News upload facility, they sent a second email out to those who have had Live News images subsequently selling as stock to tell them they could now upload via the Reportage route. So although I had never applied to upload Reportage/Archive, these are now in black on my upload page, so I could do it if I wished, but my Live News is now greyed out.

Here's what I was looking for. I finally had some time to sit still and find the email from Alamy

Our archive and reportage upload route was created for content with historical value that otherwise would struggle to pass our quality control. A few examples of this are collections of scans from WW2, vintage poster designs or coverage of war zones like Syria where it is very difficult to avoid technical errors as camera shake etc.

So all though the work might be classified as reportage or editorial it might not fit our criteria for the upload route. Images uploaded through archive route will come with a warning about possible damage to quality for our customers, so its beneficial for the photographer to upload these images to stock if the quality allows them to do so.

The Stockimo app has a News function which you can use to upload directly from events, but this is only for images shot with camera phones. So if you mainly take your pictures with a DSLR then its better to upload you Live News content directly to our News team, or through stock if the content is older than 24 hours.


She called it the archive and reportage route and the question was, why do I keep getting rejected for reportage when I'm shooting newsworthy events?

Meanwhile you read the Alamy forum more than I do, and the programs have changed, yet again? Live news only on a regular basis?  ::) I think they don't know what they want sometimes. Oh but Stockimo for news, which is forbidden to discuss on the Alamy forum is what they do want... but there's no forum for that. LOL

Repeating, I shoot sports events throughout the Summer, and I was refused for Alamy "reportage" as they said, I was providing the wrong kind of content for that classification. At least that's the way I read it?

If you can make sense of the latest version of Alamy News, please try.

The links to the latest policy are above.
However, if you didn't get the email rescinding your news access, and if your Live News Access hasn't been greyed out, you still have access to Live News, and it isn't an issue for you.

The first email I got, on 4th April 2019, said:
"This is just an email to let you know we are making some changes to the Live News feed. These changes will ensure our Live News clients receive the content they want, quickly and with all the relevant information needed to publish good news images.
From today, Thursday 4th April 2019, you will no longer be able to upload to the
Live News feed, however, the stock upload route will still be available without the
strict requirements of Live News.
If you wish to upload to the Live News feed, you can apply to do so but you'll need
to follow the official application
process<https://www.alamy.com/registration/news_upload_apply.aspx> under the
'Additional Revenue Options' section of your Contributor Dashboard."


Then, on May 7th 2019:
"This is just a quick email to follow up on the recent changes we've made to the
Alamy Live News Feed.
We took the decision to remove automatic access to the news feed as this past year
we've seen a dramatic increase of imagery that isn't suitable. Dealing with this is
taking up time that could be spent pushing the best pictures to our Live News
clients. You can still apply for access to the news feed under the 'additional
revenue options' section of your dashboard.
As you are someone who has uploaded news imagery that has later sold as secondary stock, we've given you access to the archive / reportage route which means you can upload similar work for secondary sales, but it won't be pinged to the news desks."


The times they are a'changin'. I think it must be a struggle for agencies to know what's best.
Only a very few years ago, iS used to tell exclusives to nominate heavily for 'plussing' images, because allegedly, "customers are asking for premium content and are prepared to pay for it"  :o :-\ ??? and very shortly afterwards, it turned out that customers really wanted super-low prices.  ::) (No surprise there)

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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2019, 06:52 »
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Thanks Sue. I never had live news access even though I shoot live news.  ::)

I am always amused how Alamy changes things, like what fields are searched, based on contributors using them inappropriately, which results is all the rest of us losing rights or access.

We took the decision to remove automatic access to the news feed as this past year
we've seen a dramatic increase of imagery that isn't suitable.


Yeah, so instead of just banning the people who caused the problem, Alamy chooses to throw out the baby with the bath water and ban almost everyone.

ShadySue

« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2019, 07:04 »
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Thanks Sue. I never had live news access even though I shoot live news.  ::)
You should apply, prices are much higher in general: and you get pinged out to appropriate newsdesks immediately.
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I am always amused how Alamy changes things, like what fields are searched, based on contributors using them inappropriately, which results is all the rest of us losing rights or access.
And every now and again someone rattles their cage and they send out bizarre emails.
Examples I can remember:
Getting a blanket email asking me to remove restrictions on my files as they were limiting sales, yet my restrictions were all due to 'by their rules' needing releases. (Even tiny pixel blobs which might be people need MRs and essentially every piece of property needs a PR, even stuff which the micros accept (architect dead for centuries). And even if you upload a blade of grass isolated on white, it shows up on the image page as 'no MR, no PR'.
(That said, I haven't found any Alamy editorial sales being misused, which is pretty common on iS)

Getting an email highlighting a particular image as being improperly designated for number of people visible. By their rules, it was correctly designated.

Getting an email telling me to remove a URL link, and it wasn't even my file.

(Conspiracy theorists among you, relax: they weren't persecuting me personally. On each occasion there was a rush of posts on their forum from people in the same situation.)

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We took the decision to remove automatic access to the news feed as this past yearwe've seen a dramatic increase of imagery that isn't suitable.
Yeah, so instead of just banning the people who caused the problem, Alamy chooses to throw out the baby with the bath water and ban almost everyone.
Yup, and it seems to be inconsistent and not according to their own criteria. E.g. an aquaintance had made several good Live News sales, even this year. He had the Live News facility removed. When he re-applied, he was refused, and no reason was given.
Yet some people are still uploading stuff which in no way is Live News, but presumably because they have sold a lot of real LN, they are still doing so with impunity.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2019, 07:11 by ShadySue »


 

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