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I like to draw for almost 25 years too, and how I do it it's up to me.
I tried digital illustrations/vectors but it's way different than hand drawing you can't compare those two things it's
way different...............................................and I like both

...please don't waste your time with elementary drawings which my 6 year old nephew can do with a little bit of illustrator knowledge.

Hey, there could be a niche!

Why don't you stick to drawing and let posting to someone else 

anyway, I think everyone can do whatever he wants to, the buyers decide if the image is good enough or not.  Besides, isn't that the point of micro's ?  Becoming better a long the way ?

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I like to draw for almost 25 years too, and how I do it it's up to me.
I tried digital illustrations/vectors but it's way different than hand drawing you can't compare those two things it's
way different...............................................and I like both

I said everybody knows it deep inside. If you really believe you are not a wannabe then why do you get offended. I don't want to offend anyone, It is just my opinion. If you don't agree, you smile and forget about it..

By the same token I see a lot of vector artists 'dabbling' with cameras. Going by your logic is that not the same?

Well I see some photographers who are good at vectors. My hat is off to them. My word is not for them.

My word is for mickey mouse illustrators. Most vector artists you are talking about already have a strong art education which includes photography as well. And they are approved by the industry standard Istockphoto! Aren't they?

Wannabes I am talking about are gonna need pure luck to get accepted at istockphoto. Just look at the numbers: SS has 135.000 something contributors, IS has 21.000 which is 6 and a half times less than SS:) You get the idea!

SS has no standards at vectors at all. I can draw a line and magic, it is accepted. Does that make me good? No, it makes SS a low standard vector site. Anyway, only the good ones sell. I am not worrying about the competition mickey mouse illustrators will bring! I am purely a good guy who doesn't want them to waste their free time with useless stuff.

I don't do photos at the moment.  Since I do believe my strength is vectors but back in school when I was 20, I did get photography training for 6 months. And I am a cinema graduate from University which was 4 years. So I actually have a real training at photography and lighting and still not doing it. I might be better than many photographers who knows. But for the time being I stick with vectors.

How many of these wannabes can say that they have a training of that caliber? How many of them can say they were drawing 10 hours a day 5 years ago when there was no microstock. Deep inside they know they weren't drawing at all and the reason they draw now is purely for getting the extra pennies.

Ahh, and love they have for illustrations and drawings   I have never heard anyone who doesn't like art. Does that mean anybody can do it?

At least I can claim I have had a camera for 15 years now and still don't do photos for microstock. I take things seriously and I am not gonna take tomato photos. If I do decide to do it one day it will be professionally done in a studio. And it will be to bring something that is not already up there.

Isn't everyone a "wannabe" at first?

I was a wannabe when I was 4. I was saying I want to do comics and cartoons and I professionally did it. I am no longer a wannabe. But I do believe I will never get to a point where I say "Oh, ok, I am done now, I am good now" because it is all about improving.

All I am saying is: it is too late at their age to decide that they want to be vector artists. It is exactly the same as trying to become a great tennis player or a gymnast after the age of 30.

And don't give me examples about vector artists taking photos  You know it is not the same. Anybody with a great camera can take photos and get accepted to any site. But not anybody with Adobe illustrator can draw. Don't tell me you don't know the difference.

I have a friend who took no photos whatsoever apart from family and holiday photos of his own before. He is not a photography lover. He just bought a camera because I told him he can try and take photos and sell them on micros. He did it and got accepted to IS at the first try because the camera he bought was pretty  good. Costs about $3000 to get into IS as a photographer.

Quote from: ironarrow on January 19, 2009, 09:47

Quote from: kaycee on January 19, 2009, 01:22

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I like to draw for almost 25 years too, and how I do it it's up to me.
I tried digital illustrations/vectors but it's way different than hand drawing you can't compare those two things it's
way different...............................................and I like both

I said everybody knows it deep inside. If you really believe you are not a wannabe then why do you get offended. I don't want to offend anyone, It is just my opinion. If you don't agree, you smile and forget about it..

I�m not offended .I just pointing out that hand drawing and vector-illustations are way different from each other you can�t compare it with each other.................So if you like me hand draw for 25 years or more it doesn�t mean right away that your also able to do vectors-illustration the same as hand draw . You might have the same ideas but to put it to paper or PC is different at least for me......

If you have really been drawing on paper for that long I can help you get better at vectors.. IF you do want my advice..

Quote from: Whiz on January 19, 2009, 10:09

Isn't everyone a "wannabe" at first?

I have a friend who took no photos whatsoever apart from family and holiday photos of his own before. He is not a photography lover. He just bought a camera because I told him he can try and take photos and sell them on micros. He did it and got accepted to IS at the first try because the camera he bought was pretty  good. Costs about $3000 to get into IS as a photographer.

So one one hand you encourage a 'non photographer' to start working with micros. And on the other hand discourage 'non vector artists' to not even try

Look, you obviously feel threatened by the competition so my advice would be to stay true to yourself and stick with the day job.

Oh, and regarding your earlier post, the fact of owning a camera for 15 years does not make you a photographer...nor does the six month training you claim to have.
For over 30 years I have worked as a commercial photographer, the first six of which I was training!
Could you compete with me?....No
Am I gonna try and stop you trying?....No
Am I gonna moan when everyone gets a camera and calls themselves a photographer?....No

Theres room in Microstock for all levels, so quit worrying and get on doing your thing.

Yes of course I would like that I�m not ashamed to get some good advice. I like to draw on paper or with the PC it doesn�t matter as long as I�m busy with my hobbie that includes also photography. 

Ok then. It is actually not different doing it on a pc or on paper if you do it the right way.

1- If you don't already have it, buy a graphic tablet. You have to have the feeling of a pencil. Wacom bamboo series are fine. A6 tablet is adequate and cheap.
2- Draw on paper just like you are doing traditionally. Then scan the paper sketch and drag it to an open Illustrator file. Reduce the opacity of the scan and lock that layer. Add a new layer and just trace your sketch with illustrator tools.
3- You can trace photos too, as long as they belong to you. Remember IS is very strict about copyrights. Only trace your own sketches and photos.

It is vital that you sketch anything on paper first then draw over the scanned file in illustrator. That is the way, to get high quality results. That is why having illustrator is no enough because sketchin is still the heart of all good vectors.

Things done with automatic rotate and trace tools are so obviously simple. And will never get into IS.

If you weren't already doing them the way I explained above, your work is actually ok taking into account it has been done the wrong way.

Quote from: kaycee on January 19, 2009, 10:41

Yes of course I would like that I�m not ashamed to get some good advice. I like to draw on paper or with the PC it doesn�t matter as long as I�m busy with my hobbie that includes also photography. 

Ok then. It is actually not different doing it on a pc or on paper if you do it the right way.

1- If you don't already have it, buy a graphic tablet. You have to have the feeling of a pencil. Wacom bamboo series are fine. A6 tablet is adequate and cheap.
2- Draw on paper just like you are doing traditionally. Then scan the paper sketch and drag it to an open Illustrator file. Reduce the opacity of the scan and lock that layer. Add a new layer and just trace your sketch with illustrator tools.
3- You can trace photos too, as long as they belong to you. Remember IS is very strict about copyrights. Only trace your own sketches and photos.

It is vital that you sketch anything on paper first then draw over the scanned file in illustrator. That is the way, to get high quality results. That is why having illustrator is no enough because sketchin is still the heart of all good vectors.

Things done with automatic rotate and trace tools are so obviously simple. And will never get into IS.

If you weren't already doing them the way I explained above, your work is actually ok taking into account it has been done the wrong way.

Have done what you mention (have no wacom but a Genius)
But I missing is the effects you now like a real pencil, softness, hardness, greys ,blacks, smudge with the finger etc.........
I know you could this also in illustrator but it�s hard to work easy with the progam and getting the same effects.
So I decided to  get a whole different style with vectors-illustrations .
But if you have more advice please let me know.If you want you could check my SS account (see my profile) over there I have some recent vectors I made, I know they are simple but feel free to judge my work.......      

Quote from: kaycee on January 19, 2009, 10:41

Yes of course I would like that I�m not ashamed to get some good advice. I like to draw on paper or with the PC it doesn�t matter as long as I�m busy with my hobbie that includes also photography. 

Ok then. It is actually not different doing it on a pc or on paper if you do it the right way.

1- If you don't already have it, buy a graphic tablet. You have to have the feeling of a pencil. Wacom bamboo series are fine. A6 tablet is adequate and cheap.
2- Draw on paper just like you are doing traditionally. Then scan the paper sketch and drag it to an open Illustrator file. Reduce the opacity of the scan and lock that layer. Add a new layer and just trace your sketch with illustrator tools.
3- You can trace photos too, as long as they belong to you. Remember IS is very strict about copyrights. Only trace your own sketches and photos.

It is vital that you sketch anything on paper first then draw over the scanned file in illustrator. That is the way, to get high quality results. That is why having illustrator is no enough because sketchin is still the heart of all good vectors.

Things done with automatic rotate and trace tools are so obviously simple. And will never get into IS.

If you weren't already doing them the way I explained above, your work is actually ok taking into account it has been done the wrong way.

I just use the pen tool and trace photos; that's how I got into iStockphoto as a vector illustrator. I may try one of these graphic tablets for kicks, though.

Example:

ironarrow, i'd love to see some examples of the master. can you provide a link to your own portfolio?

It is vital that you sketch anything on paper first then draw over the scanned file in illustrator. That is the way, to get high quality results. That is why having illustrator is no enough because sketchin is still the heart of all good vectors.

Things done with automatic rotate and trace tools are so obviously simple. And will never get into IS.

I understand your point completely, though I can also understand why it's easy for some to miss. At istock forums alone, we are always getting posts like "Hi! I decided to submit vectors so I bought a copy of (insert any software title here). Can you tell me what to do?" or "Hi! I see the top sellers are always vectors so I want to submit some. I got a bootleg copy of Illustrator from my friend so I'm all set! Cross your fingers for me!"

There is a ton of information that one must know in order to become a photographer. It is possible to learn this information from a book. Having an artistic eye and good intuition about what makes good stock will be very helpful tools, but many people have become successful just copying the good ideas of others.

If you purchase a copy of Illustrator, it doesn't make you an illustrator. It will not teach you how to draw if you do not already know how to draw. It will give you the tools to draw in a different medium, but there are important basic skills that you need in order to create work that will be suitable at istock. (And before people start pointing fingers at all the lame icon sets and swirly backgrounds... I know, I know... but those did not get them ACCEPTED. Once you are accepted, the standards are different for what is actually added to the collection.) People with natural artistic abilities have usually spent years developing these skills in one way or another. People whose artistic abilities have yet not been discovered or developed are going to have a harder time and a longer learning curve. Some of these are the ones who get frustrated when istock rejects their first efforts, and the ones who post about how "stupid" istock is for rejecting their images that sell so great on the other sites.

My first advice to anyone who wants to submit vectors is to first spend some time learning how to draw on paper. Putting in the time and work will be more than worth it in the end. If someone is going to take the time to learn a vector program, why not set their goals a little higher than the low bar set by the crappiest collection?

So while I understand the point being made here, I would not tell someone to just give up if they are a "wannabe" but I would tell them that they should not expect to have it all handed to them on a silver platter just because they can manage to do the bare minimum and get it accepted somewhere. As with most things in life, greater opportunities will unfold for those who put in the greater effort.

There's nothing wrong with practicing and holding back until you're really competant.

This is pretty much what I'm trying to say. 

Quote from: ironarrow on January 19, 2009, 10:58

It is vital that you sketch anything on paper first then draw over the scanned file in illustrator. That is the way, to get high quality results. That is why having illustrator is no enough because sketchin is still the heart of all good vectors.

Things done with automatic rotate and trace tools are so obviously simple. And will never get into IS.

I understand your point completely, though I can also understand why it's easy for some to miss. At istock forums alone, we are always getting posts like "Hi! I decided to submit vectors so I bought a copy of (insert any software title here). Can you tell me what to do?" or "Hi! I see the top sellers are always vectors so I want to submit some. I got a bootleg copy of Illustrator from my friend so I'm all set! Cross your fingers for me!"

There is a ton of information that one must know in order to become a photographer. It is possible to learn this information from a book. Having an artistic eye and good intuition about what makes good stock will be very helpful tools, but many people have become successful just copying the good ideas of others.

If you purchase a copy of Illustrator, it doesn't make you an illustrator. It will not teach you how to draw if you do not already know how to draw. It will give you the tools to draw in a different medium, but there are important basic skills that you need in order to create work that will be suitable at istock. (And before people start pointing fingers at all the lame icon sets and swirly backgrounds... I know, I know... but those did not get them ACCEPTED. Once you are accepted, the standards are different for what is actually added to the collection.) People with natural artistic abilities have usually spent years developing these skills in one way or another. People whose artistic abilities have yet not been discovered or developed are going to have a harder time and a longer learning curve. Some of these are the ones who get frustrated when istock rejects their first efforts, and the ones who post about how "stupid" istock is for rejecting their images that sell so great on the other sites.

My first advice to anyone who wants to submit vectors is to first spend some time learning how to draw on paper. Putting in the time and work will be more than worth it in the end. If someone is going to take the time to learn a vector program, why not set their goals a little higher than the low bar set by the crappiest collection?

So while I understand the point being made here, I would not tell someone to just give up if they are a "wannabe" but I would tell them that they should not expect to have it all handed to them on a silver platter just because they can manage to do the bare minimum and get it accepted somewhere. As with most things in life, greater opportunities will unfold for those who put in the greater effort.

Quote from: sjlocke on January 19, 2009, 10:54

There's nothing wrong with practicing and holding back until you're really competant.

This is pretty much what I'm trying to say. 

What a life:) What a post This is exactly what I am saying.. Sorry, I am not understood perfectly by everyone but this is my style of putting the ideas through.. I can be real rough at times.. I just do a little exaggeration when I am trying to make my point.. By all means they can practice, I am just trying to say it will take years and years.. Wannabes should keep practising as long as they believe they can stand practising for a long time without any return until they are really good.

If they have 10 years to spare they should not hesitate but practise.. But I am doing them a big GOOD by saying "If you were expecting to do great vectors in a short time, that is not the way it is"..... So, If indeed you expect to create best selling vectors in 6 months, give up.. Honestly:)

Oh, deep inside I'm a musician... so, I should quit photography?  but I love both  and I am just learning to make illustrations because I like it a lot and I think I can do it.
No kidding ironarrow. I understand you, but I like the attitude of Whatalife more. Anyway, I think we should let reviewers decide what is too simple for microstock and what is not. Our buyers are sometimes people who don't know how to change some illustrations color, no to mention more complicated things. I know some people that has been asked of buyers to draw the same illustration in other color.
The point is, we all don't have to be great artists to make some money selling vectors. There are very few singers in this world that I really love to listen, but I don't think all the rest should quit singing, because there is a great percent of people that won't hear flaws in their singing and they will buy their records. Some of those bad singers made world career by singing and selling their records.

Whitechild, I didn't point at you even if my attitude is bad  But you did get offended a little so I guess you consider yourself a wannabe. 

If your expectation in life is to become one of those singers on the side, you can. What I am saying there are believers who think they will become the greatest thing since the sliced bread without having the talent and without putting the necessary effort in it. My word is to them and They are whom I say should quit trying.

If you like to draw for fun, who can stop you   Do it all day long. I respect everyone's choices. I am just trying to be good by saying if your photos are better why not invest the time in photos instead of wasting it for vectors?

This type of post is called trolling, one posts controversial messages and gets tons of responses. I think it worked it this case :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Btw, when talking about vector stock, are we talking in terms of art, or illustrations aimed to sell well, therefore strictly within the boundaries of so called "suitable for stock" variations?

Aimed to sell or not! Regardless what it is for, we are talking about quality.

Sjlocke mentioned it in his post. He sums it up real good. Like 'whatalife' said, buying adobe illustrator doesn't make you an artist. It is only the tool.

Someone thinking those good illustrations are done by very good "adobe illustrator" knowledge are mistaken. It is like saying "I will buy a tennis racket and next year I will win the wimbledon"

An expensive tennis racket only works in the hands of the likes of Federer and Nadal. Not in my hands for sure. I will not become anywhere near a tennis player by buying a racket. But people somehow think "X software" does all the job and all people do is "to know" how to use it.

I could have become a very good tennis player if not great only If I put my life into it just like Federer did. Only if I was playing tennis since the age of 7 or something like that. It is too late for me just like it is too late for some to become an illustrator.

Yes with enough practice I believe people can do anything and I respect that. I never limit people and everybody is capable of doing anything under right circumstances. I would love to become a great gymnast that is for sure but I am way too old for that. B4 I know it I will be dead half way through my efforts.

I should have gotten the racket when I was 7 

Well, maybe we can agree that the quality of photos that sell differs a lot from the quality of vectors that sell. At least at IS, where acceptance of photos depends mostly on a technical quality, no matter if you're uploading whole bunches of business people and whatsoever isolated on white (that get accepted, of course, and sell very well).

I imagine the OP is aiming at the kind of thing you see on SS, like a vector heart with "LOVE" on the middle of it, or some really bad flag illustrations, or something.  There's nothing wrong with practicing and holding back until you're really competant.

Some of my impressive creations that sell well, even with ELs, at DT, FT, StockXpert and BigStock.  The first was created with Canvas, then I moved to AI.


and a few more ellaborate ones:


Regards,
Adelaide

Bottom line, no one out there has the right to tell any person what he/she can or cannot do. Really, it is not our concern if a photographer wants to create illustrations and upload them as vectors. It actually makes good business sense to be versatile and competent in as many areas as possible.

You sound like John Locke from "LOST" 

"Don't tell me what I can't do" I believe in this too. I am actually not telling anyone what they can not do. If you carefully read my first post, I do say please ignore this post if you don't think you are a wannabe, or you are a wannabe but believe you can become Van Gogh or Dali By all means, go for it

Mine is only an opinion which no one has to agree.

Quote from: abimages on January 19, 2009, 05:04

By the same token I see a lot of vector artists 'dabbling' with cameras. Going by your logic is that not the same?

It's exactly the same. And it is exactly the reason I don't try submitting photos. I know I suck behind a camera, so I don't think of myself as capable of selling photos. And I believe the world is a better place without photos from me taking up space on the web.

ironarrow, I get where you're coming from, but don't expect many friendly replies to your thread. I'm not going to say I fully agree with you, but I do see some of the god-awful stuff that makes it into the SS collection and I cringe along with you.

For me the fractals are even more nauseating than the vectors. The same old crap over and over again, and 10 versions of the same one to boot. In addition to upping the standards for vectors on SS, probably 90% of the fractal trash should be rejected. And then there is the whining about how fractals don't sell in the forum there. Gee, do ya think??

Full disclosure - yes I do have a good fractal program. I do play around with it. My uploads on fractals are minimal - only do it if it's something unique and colorful with good copyspace, not a dozen crappy gold flames on black in one shot.

Given I got accepted at istock first go I assume I therefore don't count as a wannabee! (despite my lack of formal training in Art post High School or Illustrator)
Personally I think istock tends to overemphasise the  arty rather than commercial in what it finds acceptable with illustrations. S'funny it's almost the opposite of their photos where technically correct but totally non commercial and unlikely to sell images are accepted. With illustrations simple commercial technically correct stuff is more likely to get rejected as not stock rather than the  never going to sell anything arty stuff. (I have enough of the latter in my portfolio to know about it - I couldn't do a commercial icon set to save my life as I'd die of boredom first - I doodle to please myself and occasionally some one buys it. I have no illusions about being a top seller)

The fact is, when you type "vector" into IS search form, one of most popular files are these files:
The fact is, when you type "vector" into IS search form, one of most popular files are these files:




I don't want to offend anyone, but I think these illustrations are not so complicated

Easy folks!

If I would consider be a wannabe something, I would want to be a wannabe National Geographic photographer. 

Regards,
Adelaide

Quote from: abimages on January 19, 2009, 05:04

By the same token I see a lot of vector artists 'dabbling' with cameras. Going by your logic is that not the same?

It's exactly the same. And it is exactly the reason I don't try submitting photos. I know I suck behind a camera, so I don't think of myself as capable of selling photos. And I believe the world is a better place without photos from me taking up space on the web.

ironarrow, I get where you're coming from, but don't expect many friendly replies to your thread. I'm not going to say I fully agree with you, but I do see some of the god-awful stuff that makes it into the SS collection and I cringe along with you.

Helix, that's the thing. We know what we are capable of. We know we are not Yuri Arcurs or Lise Gagne of microstock photography and that is why we don't take photos.

But hell yeah we could take photos If we were going to accept doing it at a standard some of the photographers do illustrations.

Quote from: whitechild on January 20, 2009, 08:45

The fact is, when you type "vector" into IS search form, one of most popular files are these files:

I don't want to offend anyone, but I think these illustrations are not so complicated

Whitechild maybe what I will say now is going to help your IS application as an illustrator.

These will never be accepted by IS as one of the first 3 samples. The first 3 has got to be special. If you can prove that you can do it, then you are totally free to send this kind of work in.

Of course I know that ironarrow. I didn't talk about application only. I am telling about things that sell. And application is something special of course.
You know I am pretty sure I will get in as an illustrator. I had the same problems when I was applying for photographer at SS, but I did it in the end...

..... So, If indeed you expect to create best selling vectors in 6 months, give up.. Honestly:)

It's doable!

Ironarrow@ If you wanna be such a mystery, why don�t you just keep quiet ?   There�s plenty of Sherlock Holmes here that like to reveal your portfolio...

@ magnum
You made a very good point I believe. I will do just that I guess.

@ whitechild
If somebody wants to stay anonymous I think it is understandable. I decided I will stay anonymous for good. I might even close this account as you guys don't like anonymous comments.

This is going to be my last post on this thread.

My comments have been very honest and into face. If you don't like honesty I understand.

If I had been saying "wow, whitechild, this is amazing, you are doing the best illustrations since Leonardo Da Vinci" you wouldn't want to know my portfolio, nor would you want me to prove that I am an expert.

When people make negative but honest comments, and when they are not licking a...., basically when they are honest, they are the worst people in the world and they need to prove that they are experts, otherwise you are not going to listen to them.

As I said If I was all positive towards your illustrations you would have been like "oh, thank you" and you would walk away without needing to know my port or what languages I speak.

But when it is bad you think I only need to be an expert to say it is bad.

I am who I say I am. I am honest, I am straight. I don't lie, I don't lick a.... and for future reference I will not lick a... in the future too.

According to you only a talent like, let's say Salvador Dali can rate you and someone who is not a good illustrator can not make a comment and can not say that your illustrations are bad. Is that right?

At first, I don't see why you come to this thread while it was obvious I didn't point at anyone but just used the term "wannabe"

This proves that you so obviously know that you are a wannabe? If not, sorry but it is how it looks.

Do not be in denial. I have been honest all the way, I will keep being honest until the end.

You can pretend being Van Gogh for as long as you want 

Take care and all the best. This is definitely my last post here, at least for this thread. I don't want to offend anyone else.

You people, all of you just proved that you can only accept anonymous compliments. When it comes to criticism you basically can't take it.

If I was to impersonate you guys I would go just like this: Oh my god, I have just been criticised, who . is this guy. It is not me, It is him. It can't be me since I am the best wannabe, oups, sorry illustrator. I can't be criticised. If I am criticised It means there is something wrong with the guy who criticises me, because obviously I am so great.

Yeap, typical wannabe, always in denial, never honest to him/herself.

I criticise people because I believe harsh criticism brings the best out of them. Good luck for your future efforts.

I am done, thank you all. Now, cool off 

I think I understand what Ironarrow is trying to say, even if he's a bit rough in saying it. Lately it seems the word is "Vectors sell much better than photos." So everyone who can get their hands on vector software is trying to crank out illustrations. I have no problem with that, if you can create something that gets approved and will sell, more power to you. But I do agree that someone who has experience as an illustrator or designer will have an advantage in that they know WHAT to draw and HOW to draw it.

I only do vectors. I have dreams of being a photographer some day, but when I read the forums covering tips, critiques, etc. I realize how much I would need to know about photography before i was any good at it. So I'm not going out and spending thousands on a Nikon just yet.

I'm more than happy to post a link to my portfolio. What you'll see is a very wide variety of topics, styles, and level of complexity. Almost every one of them started as a pencil sketch of an idea. All critiques and commentary are welcome. I'll post my istock port, since it's the largest:
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&userID=1869469 [nofollow]

ironarrow, I am pretty sure you will still follow this thread for some time, even if you don't want to post here. So, I want to tell you this:
If you want to say something "very honest and into face" than you can't expect some respect if you stay anonymous. We have to see your face too, because maybe we also want to tell you something "very honest and into face". Staying anonymous you have no arguments. I don't take advices from anonymous persons.

And it doesn�t help that SS takes just about everything, making people think they�re goood

This type of post is called trolling, one posts controversial messages and gets tons of responses. I think it worked it this case :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

As melastmohican has said, this is a classic example of internet trolling. People should simply refrain from replying to such posts.

Oh boy ....never ending story.........
@everybody...........not defending me or ironarrow or anyone else but he made a point just like all of you and if you listen very carefully to his and other who's pointing out something he's not the bad guy he is willing to help everybody who's able to listen.
At least he helped me pointing out some issues with my vectors and it's up to me if I'm willing to listen to his expertice and do something about it........... you never to old to learn .............Have a nice day   

i think it's not just reviewers solely who judge the quality of an image,
it's the buyer who'd be giving final judgement with their decision of buying or skipping the image.