Author Topic: Vectorizing (Read 5023 times)

Satforce · « **on:** March 17, 2009, 07:06 »

hello,

I want to know if I retrace (vectorization) some historical ornaments or background on a museum can I sell it after ? I mean there is no copyright or somethings?

designalldone · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2009, 08:32 »

Do you own the original photos that you want to trace? As long as you own the photos and include low-res versions for the inspectors, you shouldn't have any problems.

Satforce · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:24 »

It's not my own design.. let say if you take a photo of an ornament on a historical site on egypt for example then you trace it...

designalldone · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2009, 15:36 »

Sorry, don't really understand what you mean, but it's not difficult:

- If you take a photo of something and want to trace elements to create an illustration you should generally be fine.

- If you don't own the photo, you can't trace it and submit it for stock because it will no doubt be rejected (specifically at iStock).

Satforce · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2009, 15:42 »

I'll tell you how :

If I vectorize this photo:

or this :

Can I sell it after

bittersweet · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2009, 18:39 »

Did you take the photos?

If the answer is yes, and you provide a very detailed explanation about what and how old the original piece is, they MAY let it through.

If the answer is no, then no, you cannot sell a vector made from those photos.

tubed · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2009, 19:39 »

Quote from: whatalife on March 17, 2009, 18:39

Did you take the photos?

If the answer is yes, and you provide a very detailed explanation about what and how old the original piece is, they MAY let it through.

If the answer is no, then no, you cannot sell a vector made from those photos.

Exactly true.. If you did not take the photo, then just because it is vectorized does not allow you to sell it.. It has to be your original work otherwise it is a duplication of copyrighted material..

Satforce · « **Reply #7 on:** March 18, 2009, 02:03 »

thanks for your help... but my last question is that those background was created 10000 years ago! Are they copyrighted also?

biedy · « **Reply #8 on:** March 18, 2009, 08:49 »

And if the image is in the public domain? Is it then allowed to use those images for vectorizing? I do think so, but not sure ...

bittersweet · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:25 »

Quote from: satforce on March 18, 2009, 02:03

thanks for your help... but my last question is that those background was created 10000 years ago! Are they copyrighted also?

Are you sitting in front of the 10000 year old object in order to draw it or photograph it? If not, the photographer who took the photo owns the copyright to that photo and therefore you may not trace it without a property release signed by them.

If you are creating a vector pattern that looks similar to the one on the 10000 year old artifact, then that is something different than tracing a photo someone else took.

Satforce · « **Reply #10 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:50 »

Quote from: whatalife on March 18, 2009, 09:25

Quote from: satforce on March 18, 2009, 02:03
thanks for your help... but my last question is that those background was created 10000 years ago! Are they copyrighted also?

Are you sitting in front of the 10000 year old object in order to draw it or photograph it? If not, the photographer who took the photo owns the copyright to that photo and therefore you may not trace it without a property release signed by them.

If you are creating a vector pattern that looks similar to the one on the 10000 year old artifact, then that is something different than tracing a photo someone else took.

Thanks whatalife, I just want to trace a pattern of 10000 year old articfact..

vlad_the_imp · « **Reply #11 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:26 »

You haven't really answered the question.

How are you going to trace the image? Do you own the object? If the answer is yes, then fine, go ahead.

Is the object owned by someone else, eg. a museum? Answer is no, you can't copy it.

Are you drawing it from a photo taken by someone else? Answer is no, you can't copy it.

Satforce · « **Reply #12 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:41 »

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on March 18, 2009, 10:26

You haven't really answered the question.

How are you going to trace the image? Do you own the object? If the answer is yes, then fine, go ahead.

Is the object owned by someone else, eg. a museum? Answer is no, you can't copy it.

Are you drawing it from a photo taken by someone else? Answer is no, you can't copy it.

Thank you vlad the story is clear for me now ..

Danicek · « **Reply #13 on:** March 18, 2009, 12:22 »

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on March 18, 2009, 10:26

You haven't really answered the question.

How are you going to trace the image? Do you own the object? If the answer is yes, then fine, go ahead.

Is the object owned by someone else, eg. a museum? Answer is no, you can't copy it.

Are you drawing it from a photo taken by someone else? Answer is no, you can't copy it.

I don't agree. Most very old items are not copyrighted. The museum owns the object but does not own say a pattern on it. The artist that created that object owned the rights to that pattern but if it is long enough in past, it is no longer the case. The 'how old' may differ in various contries but if we are talking about centuries, I think we are pretty safe in all countries.

I think that's what most of the replies above said as well.

Satforce · « **Reply #14 on:** March 18, 2009, 12:36 »

Quote from: Danicek on March 18, 2009, 12:22

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on March 18, 2009, 10:26
You haven't really answered the question.

How are you going to trace the image? Do you own the object? If the answer is yes, then fine, go ahead.

Is the object owned by someone else, eg. a museum? Answer is no, you can't copy it.

Are you drawing it from a photo taken by someone else? Answer is no, you can't copy it.

I don't agree. Most very old items are not copyrighted. The museum owns the object but does not own say a pattern on it. The artist that created that object owned the rights to that pattern but if it is long enough in past, it is no longer the case. The 'how old' may differ in various contries but if we are talking about centuries, I think we are pretty safe in all countries.

I think that's what most of the replies above said as well.

I agree with you..

Gregor909 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 19, 2009, 17:09 »

There is no copyright on a 10000 year old pattern, but that means you don't own the copyright either.
Illustrations derived from artwork you don't own the copyright to is strictly prohibited and a violation of the membership agreement of most Stock agencies.
You can own the copyright on the photograph, but you must also own the copyright of any artwork visible on the photograph if you want to derive the artwork! You can only sell the photograph!

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