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« on: June 11, 2009, 00:31 »
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Every time new one pops up I am asking myself did I learn from previous mistakes?

If you have to ask, yes I signed up :-)
« Last Edit: June 11, 2009, 00:35 by melastmohican »


« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2009, 01:34 »
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They are not really comparable since Veer is an already well known stock agency. I never bothered with YAY but Veer is a sure bet to become somewhat successful.

« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2009, 03:20 »
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I had my first payout from yay, so hopefully veer can be as good :)

« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2009, 03:33 »
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This time it's different. Veer already has a strong brand and an existing customer base. I just wish they had done this some years ago, instead of the horrible snapvillage.

bittersweet

« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2009, 08:10 »
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This time it's different. Veer already has a strong brand and an existing customer base.

Several of us have been trying to explain this for weeks. Several refuse to comprehend. :)

« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2009, 09:01 »
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It all comes down to the marketplace (no pun intended). Like the real stock market, when the chips are down and the choices are less, there is really no other way to go  but forward and a lot more optimism.
Veer , as everyone has already kept mentioning until it's so known , except to the most dullest minds, is not the same as Yay. Veer already has a following in the other side of the stock business. So, really, it's not quite Yay, or those other newbies that no one care to mention.
My port was "invited" to be transferred from SV. I was not one of those in the grand queque of the grand opening traffic jam. In fact, I am still waiting till the crowd dies down and the glitches are fixed before using my password to give Veer the permission to port my portfolio from SV.
Am I happy about being selected? You bet your booties I am !
Am I incredulous about all this after all that happened with Yay,SV,etc..?
No, that's the name of the game. You really cannot fortell who is going to be the new winner. In fact, you really cannot even foretell which of the Big 6 will be the new loser either.
So, instead of wasting my time worrying, I just upload to a handful of performing sites .In my case, Dreamstime, Fotolia, being my surething, and Veer being my hopeful darkhorse.  And one of these will be where I will be going exclusive in 2010, hopefully... as by then, it will be my 2nd year in microstock.

« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2009, 10:49 »
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Perseus:
Why should you become exclusive at your 2nd year (or whatever), i could only think 1 reason why exclusiveness could be an avdantage, and thats easyness to upload and manage the files. Is that why you are willing to go exclusive?

« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2009, 11:47 »
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Perseus:
Why should you become exclusive at your 2nd year (or whatever), i could only think 1 reason why exclusiveness could be an avdantage, and thats easyness to upload and manage the files. Is that why you are willing to go exclusive?

arquiplay77, yes.. convenience is one reason. the same reason Dan whatnot (other thread) decided to go exclusive recently (his thread "thank you dreamstime").
another reason is also what someone else pointed out here in the forum, "each site have a specific selling favourite. the buyers are different". or something like that. i find a specific site is getting very interested in my images and they sell . they reject a lot of them too, but what they take they sell.

finally, to other question, "why 2nd year?". first year i was not really serious and did not work hard to keep an active portfolio. also very small for the first go round. only last few months i started to get serious to "make micro stock images". i have a loooooong way to go to get 6000 images like so many of the successful sellers, but from the little i have , the downloads have been quite optimistic with my latest site. so it's obvious their buyers like my images.
the decision is probably the most important, as we know eg. Fotolia's buyers are mostly Euro, while
DT , IS, etc.. is mostly N Am. this could be why FT buyers buy more of certain images than the other 2.   so, i want to make those either North Am or Euro sellable images. going exclusive would help with giving me more time to concentrate on the site that "wants" my images, and "sell" my images.

Hope that answers your question. Sorry to take up so much space here , mela ;)
 

helix7

« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2009, 12:49 »
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Every time new one pops up I am asking myself did I learn from previous mistakes?...

If you're a betting man, these are good bets in microstock. Yay, Zym, Cutcaster, and the other "never heard of em" companies are risky. Veer has been around for years and is a favorite stock site among graphic designers. SnapVillage may have been a flop but with Corbis backing them, who wouldn't sign up? Veer is in the same category. If you're going to take a chance on anything, this is the one to do it on.

Even if the Veer Marketplace ends up folding at some point and is a failure, I still wouldn't look at it as a mistake in getting involved. It's freakin' Veer... Anyone who passes up on this one is a little nutty if you ask me.


« Last Edit: June 11, 2009, 12:52 by helix7 »

« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2009, 13:18 »
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They seem to function like real company not a garage one-person company wannabies. I am having conversation with customer support and usually they respond quickly. This is third time I got problem, first two were handled very fast.

« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2009, 14:24 »
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arquiplay77, yes.. convenience is one reason. the same reason Dan whatnot (other thread) decided to go exclusive recently (his thread "thank you dreamstime").
another reason is also what someone else pointed out here in the forum, "each site have a specific selling favourite. the buyers are different". or something like that. i find a specific site is getting very interested in my images and they sell . they reject a lot of them too, but what they take they sell.

finally, to other question, "why 2nd year?". first year i was not really serious and did not work hard to keep an active portfolio. also very small for the first go round. only last few months i started to get serious to "make micro stock images". i have a loooooong way to go to get 6000 images like so many of the successful sellers, but from the little i have , the downloads have been quite optimistic with my latest site. so it's obvious their buyers like my images.
the decision is probably the most important, as we know eg. Fotolia's buyers are mostly Euro, while
DT , IS, etc.. is mostly N Am. this could be why FT buyers buy more of certain images than the other 2.   so, i want to make those either North Am or Euro sellable images. going exclusive would help with giving me more time to concentrate on the site that "wants" my images, and "sell" my images.

Hope that answers your question. Sorry to take up so much space here , mela ;)
 

You mention convenience - is it a time issue? There are software and sites out there that help you sell to different sites. Any bad experience, or do you feel handling one account is just the way to go? Any insights would be appreciated.

« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2009, 14:36 »
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They seem to function like real company not a garage one-person company wannabies. I am having conversation with customer support and usually they respond quickly. This is third time I got problem, first two were handled very fast.

Well, you don't survive in this business , or any business, by acting like a 2 bit garage company, lol.

Yes, from day 1 when SV announced of Veer, I have been communicating with them and have nothing but great response and good feeling. Support has responded to me with lots of professionalism.
Even this morning, I wrote to explain I am still holding on to sign in and use my invitation password to transfer my SV port to VM, as I prefer to wait till the traffic is quieter . And a moment ago, I got a nice email from Ryan. All this even with being a hectic week for them. 

I feel optimistic with Veer and VM. I wish them well.

« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2009, 14:47 »
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You mention convenience - is it a time issue? There are software and sites out there that help you sell to different sites. Any bad experience, or do you feel handling one account is just the way to go? Any insights would be appreciated.

No, no bad experiences with software, or whatnot. It's just me. I am old fashioned , perharps lazy, lol,
and also I like the idea of working with one exclusive site that proves to like my work and work hard to sell them for me.
I am hoping on 3 sites, of course VeerM is one of the new card in the game, and if 2010 arrives with me being just a "One Site Man" I will be a happy camper. It's hard to decide though, as Support and communication from all  3 sites , and Veer , have been incredible professional.
But really, we cannot tell until the future arrives. I might end up liking all 4, including VM ;)

lisafx

« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2009, 14:58 »
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They are not really comparable since Veer is an already well known stock agency. I never bothered with YAY but Veer is a sure bet to become somewhat successful.

My feelings exactly.

« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2009, 18:03 »
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But...veer has an image for selling best artwork...how is this compare to sell microstock.
If some company change from highest standart to lowest.. what should i think about?
I think they have a problem.
I think also: they have no experience in selling poor pictures and handling of customers who buy a picture for some dollars.
I think also: they kill their brand and that's all they have.

Veer is dead. I give them 24 month.
Bertold





puravida

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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2009, 19:10 »
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But...veer has an image for selling best artwork...how is this compare to sell microstock.
If some company change from highest standart to lowest.. what should i think about?
I think they have a problem.
I think also: they have no experience in selling poor pictures and handling of customers who buy a picture for some dollars.
I think also: they kill their brand and that's all they have.

Veer is dead. I give them 24 month.
Bertold


This , coming from someone who in the other thread on Stockxperthttp://www.microstockgroup.com/stockxpert-com/noticing-big-change-at-stockxpert-no-sign-of-life/msg0/?topicseen;PHPSESSID=783eb34482c00ab9fc098d0c88934e31#new, just told us that StockXpert to him is the greatest thing since slice bread?  Wow, that's real prophetic of you  rofl.

Don't let your current grand success with Stockxpert get to your head. We were there before, remember? ;)
« Last Edit: June 11, 2009, 19:14 by puravida »

« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2009, 19:44 »
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Let's also keep in mind that "Veer marketplace", while maybe not the greatest of names (although it's pretty good) still beats the patooties out of a name like "Yay Micro!"  Anybody with a cheesy sounding name like "Yay Micro!" already has alot going against them.


« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2009, 20:52 »
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@puravida

seems like you got my constribution not right, i'm not doing "good" artwork, i do images that sells well on microsstock. Good artwork is not for micromarket. And...i start with StockXpert last month, not: i started first in my microstock career at StockXpert.

But i think it is okay, if anybody have anywhere a "new" in his profil it is normal that somebody feels dedicadet to handle them like rookies. If you need this for your self-assurance...feel free to do so.



« Last Edit: June 11, 2009, 20:55 by werkmann »

bittersweet

« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2009, 21:05 »
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But...veer has an image for selling best artwork...how is this compare to sell microstock.
If some company change from highest standart to lowest.. what should i think about?
I think they have a problem.
I think also: they have no experience in selling poor pictures and handling of customers who buy a picture for some dollars.
I think also: they kill their brand and that's all they have.

Veer is dead. I give them 24 month.
Bertold

Were it their goal to sell "poor pictures" then I might agree with you. But since I think they are setting the bar a little higher than that, I am on board.

« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2009, 21:17 »
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@whatalife

well, if they want to do so...don't you agree they have to have better commissions for constributors who do better and more strenght in selection?
I followed the "Veer" threads since a while and also had a look on the images of people who told to be in the game. That's not better stuff than the average. And it will be payed like average stuff elsewhere.
Nobody has to be a marketingpro to tell you, that launching a "me too" project in an already established market with average quality for customers and constributors is not a good idea - especialy if you have an image for delivering high quality.


« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2009, 21:19 »
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But...veer has an image for selling best artwork...how is this compare to sell microstock.
If some company change from highest standart to lowest.. what should i think about?
I think they have a problem.
I think also: they have no experience in selling poor pictures and handling of customers who buy a picture for some dollars.
I think also: they kill their brand and that's all they have.

Veer is dead. I give them 24 month.
Bertold


This , coming from someone who in the other thread on Stockxperthttp://www.microstockgroup.com/stockxpert-com/noticing-big-change-at-stockxpert-no-sign-of-life/msg0/?topicseen;PHPSESSID=783eb34482c00ab9fc098d0c88934e31#new, just told us that StockXpert to him is the greatest thing since slice bread?  Wow, that's real prophetic of you  rofl.

Don't let your current grand success with Stockxpert get to your head. We were there before, remember? ;)


werkmann,
if you mean that Veer Marketplace is going to be what Stockxpert was and then go ballistic on their contributors , no, I highly doubt it.  As whatalife just said, already Veer Marketplace have shown that they are much pickier than Stockxpert ever was (quote: setting the bar a little higher). Even more importantly, it's unlikely that Getty or JUI will be doing some heavy shuffling with Veer within the next 24 months .  All this somehow means Veer is not going to do an aboutface like Stockxpert.
Sorry , have to disagree with you too.

Enjoy your stay with Stockxpert

« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2009, 21:26 »
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holyshit, what is the problem with StockXpert....i just joined there 3 weeks ago. And my experiences are very good. Does this experience put an "idiot" sign on my head.

Most of my sales i do elsewhere. I just tried StockXpert because there is so much bad news about StockXpert.

bittersweet

« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2009, 22:18 »
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I just tried StockXpert because there is so much bad news about StockXpert.

This is the type of logic that makes it hard to agree with your speculation about the demise of Veer Marketplace.

I have given up being an exclusive with istock in order to contribute to Veer. That's how much I believe in this project. I feel no need to convince you otherwise.

helix7

« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2009, 22:34 »
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...Nobody has to be a marketingpro to tell you, that launching a "me too" project in an already established market with average quality for customers and constributors is not a good idea - especialy if you have an image for delivering high quality...

How is this a "me too" project? Veer Marketplace is an additional section of the Veer collection, and it shares a shopping cart system with all other Veer brands. This isn't asking customers to sign up on another separate website. It's not trying to lure microstock buyers away from another microstock website. This is completely and totally different from anything we've seen so far in terms of a macro company getting into micro. This is an additional offering for current Veer customers, and for other customers who want a combined macro/micro buying experience at a company that they have grown to trust. Yay was a "me too" project, as were the glut of other similar sites that offered nothing new. Veer Marketplace is something very different, and I'm amazed that anyone could see this as just another microstock site. That is such a shortsighted viewpoint.

I also don't see how quality is an issue here. The standards are higher at Veer Marketplace than they were at SnapVillage. Not all SV contributors were asked to come over to Veer, and many SV portfolios were deleted in the migration. SV's standards weren't the lowest in the game (I believe SS gets that honor), so to say that quality is an issue at the Veer Marketplace is a difficult claim to support. I have seen nothing yet to suggest that Veer is sacrificing anything in terms of quality.


« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2009, 23:00 »
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Okay, Veer is great....all others are loosers. Sounds like a lot of beliefers to me. I don't belief in beliefers. I belief in sales. Until now i don't see any reason to belief...they announce me not more profit then elsewhere, if they do, i will give them a try...until then i'm happy about 27 sales, 49$, with an average of 26 images in 3 weeks...on StockXpert. I knew, this looks fine to me because i'm just an idiot. I'm shure nearly all of you earn more and expect more...because you deliver "real" quality...not as me poor little newbie. What do you think under what trash can i crawled out to allow myself to tell you my thoughts? ( I hate this, why is it elsewhere necessary to piss on someones leg to get respected).

BTW: i never constribute to SS because they pay so low, as bad i can't produce images - even if they sell them most.

@ helix 7
Not "me too"? Istock and Getty do the same just at this moment and they have quality and images.
And also the know-how since years, what means nearly hundrets of years in this business.

« Last Edit: June 11, 2009, 23:27 by werkmann »

bittersweet

« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2009, 05:42 »
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Okay, Veer is great....all others are loosers. Sounds like a lot of beliefers to me. I don't belief in beliefers. I belief in sales. Until now i don't see any reason to belief...they announce me not more profit then elsewhere, if they do, i will give them a try...until then i'm happy about 27 sales, 49$, with an average of 26 images in 3 weeks...on StockXpert. I knew, this looks fine to me because i'm just an idiot. I'm shure nearly all of you earn more and expect more...because you deliver "real" quality...not as me poor little newbie. What do you think under what trash can i crawled out to allow myself to tell you my thoughts? ( I hate this, why is it elsewhere necessary to piss on someones leg to get respected).

BTW: i never constribute to SS because they pay so low, as bad i can't produce images - even if they sell them most.

@ helix 7
Not "me too"? Istock and Getty do the same just at this moment and they have quality and images.
And also the know-how since years, what means nearly hundrets of years in this business.


It's not a matter of respect. It's a matter of you coming to this thread and making certain statements, and some other people not agreeing with them. There might be others out there who do agree. It's called a forum. No need to get all emotional about it.

helix7

« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2009, 07:02 »
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@ helix 7
Not "me too"? Istock and Getty do the same just at this moment and they have quality and images.
And also the know-how since years, what means nearly hundrets of years in this business.



The same? Really? istockphoto was integrated into getty.com? Wow, I must have missed that.

::)

This is a totally different situation, brand new to microstock. You commented earlier that quality was an issue. How about a quality buying experience? To me, that would include not having to go to getty.com for some images and istock for others. Veer is one-stop shopping for both. How exactly is that more of the same, when no one has done that before?




 

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