This new rule sounds excessive. It doesn't affect me though in the least. Unless they introduce some kind of a figure drawing proportions police.

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Which was so rich coming from the person who only last week claimed to want people to be judged according to the content of their character.

It was one of those Daily Mirror type headlines just to get the people's attention. A harmless joke.   

Did anybody here get offended?

Not offended but didn't feel it was particularly professional or considerate of others points of view

The problem is, if they add a checkbox "this model was retouched", then probably nearly everything in their databank will probably get hit.

Sending out a nasty sounding legal email puts the legal responsibility on all photographers and they can claim to their customers everything coming in now is following the French guideline.

It puts the onus on us and makes it easy for them.

Programming a new checkbox for upload, adding a notice to images in france - how are they going to do that...it will take them years..

This is the fastest way to solve the problem for them. One email and officially it is all over.

What will other agencies do?

Personally I believe it should be clear that all creative content might be edited...it is creative after all...if you want the real world, buy editorial.

or pay for a custom shoot.

The law is well intentioned, but silly, why should a model not want to edit her image if she wants to? People use make up, they use clothes, some even photoshop lizard skin on, why not?

Caricature, art, satire? How does French law handle that?

I reckon it will be a profitable playground for lawyers.....sounds complex and hard to enforce.

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Which was so rich coming from the person who only last week claimed to want people to be judged according to the content of their character.

It was one of those Daily Mirror type headlines just to get the people's attention. A harmless joke.   

Did anybody here get offended?

Coming from someone trying to sell books and teach others, I would say pretty unprofessional. It's never funny or harmless to make jokes at someone elses expense. But I know, you were just trying to be one of the guys.   

It's the politically correct times we live in and it shows on this forum when I tried to make a light joke about the matter and some people jumped on me for the use of the word "fatty". Let's not be Trumpish but meet somewhere halfway.

It's far more Trumpish to be derogatory about a shape you don't like than to defend diversity.

H*ck, it's not even a new debate. Susie Orbach wrote Fat is a Feminist Issue in 1978.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/oct/11/gender.society

Don't the lawmakers in France have more important issues to work on?  Like poverty, crime and terrorism? 

I live in Italy and I'm looking to sign up to a new gym for a membership now that winter is coming and won't be able to bike. You know what, there's a government requirement that all new applicants to gyms must have a certificate from a doctor that they're in good health before they can sign up. Which is strange because why do most people join gyms anyway? 

So, I went to this stupid doctor and got the certificate which cost me 40 euros. All the test was to check I had a pulse and could breathe. Seriously? I bet you that the Italian medical profession lobbied to have this regulation put in place as another form of stealth tax.

Another nanny state strikes again!

^^ No, you can't enlarge their boobs as the law says you can't make the person wider or narrower.

(In real life what would probably happen is that they'll only cast models with the exact looks they want)

Sorry for the long post.

Some of the people against this decision are missing the whole point of it.

This is meant to protect children, teenagers and young adults to prevent they try to comply with unreal body shapes.

And in case you haven't noticed it (maybe you are asleep the whole time), children, teenagers and even young adults are extremely easy to influence. Plus they are not the brightest people when determining what is real or not since they are really inexperienced in life (Doooh!).

And to worsen all they easily adopt risky habits because they are forming their personality and finding their place in the world through trial and error most of the times. The problem is, there are some dangerous errors which are hard to recover from.

To look at this question just from the viewpoint of the adult models and what they want or do not want, allow or not,  the ability of people to know what has been photoshopped or not when they look at a picture, is absolutely narrow minded and egotistic.

I actually think it borderlines a somewhat worrying lack of empathy ability...

I had three female friends that almost died from anorexia. Another one escape because despite being very, very skinny the agency (one of the top ones in my country) wanted her to loose several more kilos. She gave up her career because she did not want to destroy her health.

So I totally agree with this law and decision.

As for the misandrist comments in this post I can only classify them as despicable, since society is made by men and women and in my personal experience women are as machist, bigots and as cruel (or more) than men when it comes to attack other women.

And what happens in the fashion industry does not reflect the choice of "male fashion designers". It reflects the choice of a lot of people that are physically men but actually do not like women and prefer an androgen look where female features are erased.

I never met a man that actually likes women to prefer a female skeleton over a well built and healthy woman with curves were they are supposed to be. In fact, if there's a skew in choice it's for the larger women instead of the skinnier ones.

So leave men out of this and focus on the constant name calling and shaming women are so keen on making over each other.

Sorry for the long post.

Some of the people against this decision are missing the whole point of it.

This is meant to protect children, teenagers and young adults to prevent they try to comply with unreal body shapes.

And in case you haven't noticed it (maybe you are asleep the whole time), children, teenagers and even young adults are extremely easy to influence. Plus they are not the brightest people when determining what is real or not since they are really inexperienced in life (Doooh!).

And to worsen all they easily adopt risky habits because they are forming their personality and finding their place in the world through trial and error most of the times. The problem is, there are some dangerous errors which are hard to recover from.

To look at this question just from the viewpoint of the adult models and what they want or do not want, allow or not,  the ability of people to know what has been photoshopped or not when they look at a picture, is absolutely narrow minded and egotistic.

I actually think it borderlines a somewhat worrying lack of empathy ability...

I had three female friends that almost died from anorexia. Another one escape because despite being very, very skinny the agency (one of the top ones in my country) wanted her to loose several more kilos. She gave up her career because she did not want to destroy her health.

So I totally agree with this law and decision.

As for the misandrist comments in this post I can only classify them as despicable, since society is made by men and women and in my personal experience women are as machist, bigots and as cruel (or more) than men when it comes to attack other women.

And what happens in the fashion industry does not reflect the choice of "male fashion designers". It reflects the choice of a lot of people that are physically men but actually do not like women and prefer an androgen look where female features are erased.

I never met a man that actually likes women to prefer a female skeleton over a well built and healthy woman with curves were they are supposed to be. In fact, if there's a skew in choice it's for the larger women instead of the skinnier ones.

So leave men out of this and focus on the constant name calling and shaming women are so keen on making over each other.

I didn't say "men;" I said "male fashion designers." in fact, I specifically pointed out that there is really no call for that look from anyone other than fashion designers, and that rest of the world other than fashion designers includes men. So you basically repeated and expanded on what I said yet claimed misandry on my part.   

I didn't say "men;" I said "male fashion designers." in fact, I specifically pointed out that there is really no call for that look from anyone other than fashion designers, and that rest of the world other than fashion designers includes men. So you basically repeated and expanded on what I said yet claimed misandry on my part.   

In the first page you made a comment that simply stated, and I quote: "Men.  "

Plus, it's not the first time you make considerations about "Men" (general, all) without any type of relativism. In fact, it's quite common.

So yes, unless you're not very articulate in expressing your opinions (doubtful) many of your ideas involving men have a clear  taste of misandry. And that's a pity because you sound like an intelligent woman. But then again, there are intelligent men who suffer from misogyny too, so...

Quote from: Shelma1 on September 27, 2017, 14:52

I didn't say "men;" I said "male fashion designers." in fact, I specifically pointed out that there is really no call for that look from anyone other than fashion designers, and that rest of the world other than fashion designers includes men. So you basically repeated and expanded on what I said yet claimed misandry on my part.   

In the first page you made a comment that simply stated, and I quote: "Men.  "

Plus, it's not the first time you make considerations about "Men" (general, all) without any type of relativism. In fact, it's quite common.

So yes, unless you're not very articulate in expressing your opinions (doubtful) many of your ideas involving men have a clear  taste of misandry. And that's a pity because you sound like an intelligent woman. But then again, there are intelligent men who suffer from misogyny too, so...

That was in reference to the fact that a bunch of men started whining in this thread about "nanny state" and not ever being able to retouch anything ever at all, which is certainly not the case with this law. I didn't see any female photographers complaining; rather they pointed out that the thread title was awful and why this law unfortunately has to exist. But maybe I was wrong. Perhaps the people I thought were women are actually men masquerading as women, and perhaps some of the "men" are secretly women. Doubt it, tho.