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shank_ali

« Reply #125 on: December 30, 2008, 01:32 »
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Good Luck with the new site Tom.You certainly seem to be on the ball and keeping the hungry thong informed which is a good thing.


DanP68

« Reply #126 on: December 30, 2008, 01:47 »
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Good Luck with the new site Tom.You certainly seem to be on the ball and keeping the hungry thong informed which is a good thing.


 :D

« Reply #127 on: December 30, 2008, 06:51 »
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Nice new contributor login page. Is the site going live soon?

Wish I could see that contributor page. My password is not accepted, and when I change it successfully... it doesn't work at the next logon. Last October I found out that the password has to be very short, but there is no hint whatsoever how long or short exactly... VZ promised this issue would be solved then but it's apparently still there. So sorry but I don't have time any more to help debug a site. Once bitten by LuckyOliver, twice shy. Too many sites, too little time  ::)


FlemishDreams..  the password is restricted to 13 characters in length at this time.  As a result of your earlier correspondence, I have a work-item outstanding to:

1.  Increase the limit to 20 characters
2.  Indicate on the choose-password field that the limit is a length of 20

With so many other priorities arising, this slipped down the list, but I haven't lost sight of it.  Sorry for the delay..

In the meantime, if you want me to reset your password, please either PM me or email me or Stacey (you know our email addresses).

Happy New Year

Tom

« Reply #128 on: December 30, 2008, 08:37 »
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Good Luck with the new site Tom.You certainly seem to be on the ball and keeping the hungry thong informed which is a good thing.


 :D

I stared at this for 10 minutes before I got the joke!

« Reply #129 on: December 30, 2008, 09:26 »
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FlemishDreams..  the password is restricted to 13 characters in length at this time.  As a result of your earlier correspondence, I have a work-item outstanding to:

1.  Increase the limit to 20 characters
2.  Indicate on the choose-password field that the limit is a length of 20

Actually the notice for password too short (min 6) or not alphanumeric works fine. It would be very simple to just indicate that on the "forgot password" page: password 6-13, alphanumerics both required. A password of 13 is fine for me, and actually I used only 12. Nevertheless it failed.

Try to check it out yourself (make a fake test-uploader) and use a password of 12... the change password page will accept it but you can't log on with on the main login page. I should add that all worked fine in the very beginning when I registered with a 12 character password.

I managed to log in now with a password of only 9 characters, so obviously it's a bug.


« Reply #130 on: December 30, 2008, 09:45 »
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I stared at this for 10 minutes before I got the joke!

I still didn't but English isn't my mother thong which obviously is Flemish.   ::)
Always eager to learn I googled for hungry thong and my my, I discovered a totally unknown side of the Internet with keywords like blonde bikini lesbian girls teen bl*wj*b;D

shank_ali

« Reply #131 on: December 30, 2008, 14:25 »
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How will the new site attract the customers/buyers.I have no doubt the content will be first class as i have seen the files created by the talent assembled on this forum and istocks.
Sales make a site/business tick along and i doubt you have the resourses to match istockphotos extensive advertising budget...

DanP68

« Reply #132 on: December 30, 2008, 23:45 »
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That is my concern too. 

I realize no business can give reveal their advertising plan on a public forum.  But a lot of us have heard the promises far too often, most recently from Yaymicro which has an experienced team at the helm.  Either they never put forth an honest advertising effort, or it was completely ineffective.  Their traffic hasn't budged since they went online last summer.  Snapvillage is run by Corbis, and they might as well not even exist with the way they have crashed since Fall.

I am willing to give any microstock agency an honest try.  But it is going to take some convincing for me to believe any new agency is going to make a dent on the Big 6 in the next few years.

« Reply #133 on: January 01, 2009, 03:20 »
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I am willing to give any microstock agency an honest try.

I'm doing it with CC, YAY and VIVO. But one thing these starters should realize is that they rely on large uploads in a short time, and that their submission pages should be fast and productive. On established portfolios all metainfo is in the IPTC so that's not a big deal. What matters for the submission workflow is how fast model releases can be attached, and preferably in bulk. Since I had a couple of gigs upload to spare for 2008, I FTP-ed a few 100 to the three sites and then tried to figure out how fast the submit could be done (attaching MRFs).

The best and fastest is YAY. Then there is CC but the only problem is the limited size of the Models and Thumbs window, which makes it like 10 times slower than YAY, but still OK.
The worst is VIVO. When you click on a thumb, it takes about 10 seconds before the MRF window pops up, and in that window are pages in which it takes about 5 sec to navigate from page to page. What's more, you can't tick several models at once. If you sort the models alphabetically in that window, the next time it pops up the default order (upload date) is there again, so it is really too time consuming to attach MRF's this way, thumb by thumb, for a beginning site. They can't attract the big guys like Arcurs with such a slow procedure.

I guess I have about 300 images in queue now at VIVIzoom but I'll wait to submit them till they have a decent and fast bulk MRF attach module ready. Beginning sites should realize that their submit software should be mature before asking to bulk upload.

DanP68

« Reply #134 on: January 01, 2009, 04:45 »
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I fall into the category of small contributors with approx 500-1000 images to contribute.  I'm not willing to spend that much time uploading to an unproven site.

Instead, I keep a separate folder on my hard drive holding copies of nearly 100 images, all of which have experienced success in microstock at 1 or more agencies.  Most have experienced success in multiple locations.

My strategy is to upload this test portfolio.  If an agency fails to sell images out of the test portfolio, then there is absolutely no reason to upload anything else.  The nice thing is I can get those images uploaded in a few hours max, and probably do most of the work unattended through FTP.

I may do the same with Vivozoom.  Haven't decided yet.  It would be nice to hear of a target date for Vivozoom opening its doors.

shank_ali

« Reply #135 on: January 01, 2009, 13:17 »
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Slightly off topic but their are only so many buyers in the world who actually want our files.The more micro sites that appear those buyers are spread out more and lessen the sales on more established sites.
As most contributors increase the size of their respective portfolio's it gives those buyers more choice but never be fooled into thinking that new sites will bring fresh/new buyers to the internet libraries.

« Reply #136 on: January 02, 2009, 04:43 »
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How will the new site attract the customers/buyers.I have no doubt the content will be first class as i have seen the files created by the talent assembled on this forum and istocks.
Sales make a site/business tick along and i doubt you have the resourses to match istockphotos extensive advertising budget...


Shank-ali..  I too would have serious doubts about uploading to new and unproven sites.  No question and I wouldn't blame you if you decided to wait-and-see.   New businesses have to bring something new to the market and I believe we are changing the landscape of microstock with an image warranty (http://submit.vivozoom.com/en_uk/warranty.htm).

We have one or two other improvements that we hope clients will enjoy but fundamentally, we want to remove the perceived and real risk of the use of Microstock for mainstream professional users (Agencies, Publishers and Corporations).

Tom


« Reply #137 on: January 02, 2009, 08:34 »
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New sites are a gamble, albumo was a total waste of time and it looks like yaymicro might be as well but I had success with Rodeo last year, so it is still possible if the people running the site know what they are doing.

RacePhoto

« Reply #138 on: January 02, 2009, 12:44 »
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As most contributors increase the size of their respective portfolio's it gives those buyers more choice but never be fooled into thinking that new sites will bring fresh/new buyers to the internet libraries.

Or that new agencies will bring the buyers any new photos, since virtually all the same people are uploading the same files to all their agencies.

Buyers don't live in a vacuum. They recognize all the same photos across most of the sites. In the end the agencies are selling their overall value, quality, exclusive selections or in some cases, the same photos for less money.

Fact of life. Some places are competing on the basis of how little they can charge for our work, which translates into lower commissions and lower pay.

Sites that offer, RF stock, RM, Editorial, Music, Vectors / Illustrations, Video and a variety of products, will win over Microstock photo sites.

Vivozoom seems to be trying to make their site stand out as different from, just another stock photo site.

shank_ali

« Reply #139 on: January 02, 2009, 15:02 »
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How will the new site attract the customers/buyers.I have no doubt the content will be first class as i have seen the files created by the talent assembled on this forum and istocks.
Sales make a site/business tick along and i doubt you have the resourses to match istockphotos extensive advertising budget...


Shank-ali..  I too would have serious doubts about uploading to new and unproven sites.  No question and I wouldn't blame you if you decided to wait-and-see.   New businesses have to bring something new to the market and I believe we are changing the landscape of microstock with an image warranty (http://submit.vivozoom.com/en_uk/warranty.htm).

We have one or two other improvements that we hope clients will enjoy but fundamentally, we want to remove the perceived and real risk of the use of Microstock for mainstream professional users (Agencies, Publishers and Corporations).

Tom



Thank you for the link Tom.I am exclusive with istock at the moment but i would be naive and rather foolish  not to keep my options open in the future and follow the buyers wishing to buy imagery with water tight warranties attached.
Alistair

« Reply #140 on: January 19, 2009, 15:24 »
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just thought i'd give this thread a nudge for those who were interested in it now again.

Yes, it will be interested to see how this site developes.  I am looking forward to when they go live.

DanP68

« Reply #141 on: January 20, 2009, 01:58 »
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It would be reassuring to hear a ballpark "live" date.  Though I don't blame anyone for not rushing into this current economic environment.


« Reply #142 on: January 20, 2009, 02:12 »
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in the microstockdiaries post they said alpha launch in Feb.  I guess that still doesn't tell us when the full site is going online......

« Reply #143 on: January 20, 2009, 04:45 »
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After uploading my portfolio to a few of these new sites with hardly any downloads, I am reluctant to try another one.  What is the motivation to upload to a site that hasn't opened its doors to buyers yet?  I did upload a few but they are now at the bottom of my priority list.  They need to pay me to upload or get some sales going.

« Reply #144 on: January 20, 2009, 07:12 »
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After uploading my portfolio to a few of these new sites with hardly any downloads, I am reluctant to try another one.

I have been uploading by FTP but right now a couple of hundreds are stuck in the queue since their model release attach procedure is terribly slow and complicated. What I don't understand is why some beginning sites like YAY and CutCaster are so blazing fast and so smooth, also for MRF attach, and why some others are so slow for it (included Zymmetrical). On Vivozoom, as far as I can see, you have attach the MRF first to all shots in the queue, then submit. There is no way to attach now and then when you have spare time, and submit those few.

I don't expect that the big guys with large portfolios will be ready to go through this ordeal, so the building up of the image data base will be slow. If the programmer is reading this, please don't reinvent the wheel and have a look at yaymicro dot com, 132RF, or cutcaster dot com how the model release should be done.

« Reply #145 on: January 20, 2009, 07:19 »
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in the microstockdiaries post they said alpha launch in Feb.  I guess that still doesn't tell us when the full site is going online......


Their main USP is, as they say, the warranty they give to their corporate customers. I don't grab this, to be honest. A warranty is only worth what the photographer, his honesty and his model/property releases are worth. It's a warranty by proxy. Dreamstime for instance is only worth what its photographers are worth and in case of litigation, Dreamstime has deeper pockets than Vivo.

« Reply #146 on: February 11, 2009, 05:54 »
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I have been uploading by FTP but right now a couple of hundreds are stuck in the queue since their model release attach procedure is terribly slow and complicated.

Anybody still uploading to Vivozoom?

I gave up for their complicated and ill-programmed model release system. As I had a look through my rejected images, I saw they had the rare talent of rejecting my best sellers both at Dreamstime and Shutterstock as not needed. That's their privilege of course, but it lead me to stop uploading. It takes two to tango.

« Reply #147 on: February 12, 2009, 11:54 »
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Vivozoom seems to be a very funny site, they reject every pictures with monuments outdoors or indoors and details (lighthouses, kuala lumpur towers, ancient statues etc) and ask for a properties releases !!!!  Even very old Chinese temples, traditional thai wooden boats !!!
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« Reply #148 on: February 12, 2009, 13:00 »
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Vivozoom seems to be a very funny site, they reject every pictures with monuments outdoors or indoors and details (lighthouses, kuala lumpur towers, ancient statues etc) and ask for a properties releases !!!!  Even very old Chinese temples, traditional thai wooden boats !!!

Correct. They rejected some outdoors Brussels old monument asking for a property release. The monument is at least 160 years old. A lot is "not needed", even if it is lifestyle what they asked for. Wait and see. Their model release module should be smoother first. I suggested the programmer they should have a look at 123RF how model release attach should be done. If they are clever, they'd just buy YAY software when it closes doors  ;D

« Reply #149 on: February 18, 2009, 08:01 »
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I have been uploading by FTP but right now a couple of hundreds are stuck in the queue since their model release attach procedure is terribly slow and complicated.

FlemishDreams .. we have uploaded an interim fix to allow releases to be attached in bulk to all images on a page or all uploaded images in that batch.  You can now simultaneously attach multiple releases to multiple images.

I hope this goes some way to help ease the process of attaching releases.

Tom


 

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