Author Topic: WARNING: LOTS OF STOLEN IMAGES trollada DOT cOM (Read 13081 times)

corareed · « **on:** November 20, 2011, 16:56 »

trollada dot com

Check and see if you see your stuff. I found a bunch from CC and a TON of other agencies.

Edited to make people happy.

bunhill · « **Reply #1 on:** November 20, 2011, 17:05 »

by sharing these sorts of links you potentially improve the SEO of these sites. By sharing these links in public you help to promote them.

corareed · « **Reply #2 on:** November 20, 2011, 17:10 »

By doing this, more people send cease and desist notices in hopes of getting them shut down sooner. But posting, I am trying to help my community.

You say tomato, I say tomato.

bunhill · « **Reply #3 on:** November 20, 2011, 17:16 »

Quote from: corareed on November 20, 2011, 17:10

By doing this, more people send cease and desist notices in hopes of getting them shut down sooner. But posting, I am trying to help my community.

You say tomato, I say tomato

but these are hotlinked images aren't they? Is that site even hosting anything ?

If so then the cease and desist notices would be meaningless wouldn't they ?

corareed · « **Reply #4 on:** November 20, 2011, 17:23 »

No. They are not hot linked.

http://www.trollada.com/imagem/earth-burst-artistic-design-download-exclusive-royalty-free-.../aHR0cDovL3dhdGVybWFya2VkLmN1dGNhc3Rlci5jb20vOTAxMjA2ODg4LWVhcnRoLWJ1cnN0LWFydGlzdGljLWRlc2lnbi5qcGc

Yes, copyright law, especially international law is complex. Personally, I start with the site, then the host, then the agency in that country which handles copyright. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

I think you might feel a bit less nonchalant if it was your work being ripped off....oh yeah, and it's my job to actually be proactive in these matters.

bunhill · « **Reply #5 on:** November 20, 2011, 17:25 »

Quote from: corareed on November 20, 2011, 17:23

I think you might feel a bit less nonchalant if it was your work being ripped off....oh yeah, and it's my job to actually be proactive in these matters.

My work is on that site which is partly why it annoys me you promoting it.

Paulo M. F. Pires · « **Reply #6 on:** November 20, 2011, 17:48 »

I had one image "hot-linked" there ( to CS ). After contact them, host, etc ( DMCA ), as last resort, image was removed from agency ( after a talk with Duncan, thanks for the fast and good support so far ).

I even open a topic about it, and have not seen much worries about...

In my opinion, it's better reporting them, to allow us know whenever our work isn't licensed.

cathyslife · « **Reply #7 on:** November 20, 2011, 20:22 »

Quote from: corareed on November 20, 2011, 17:23

No. They are not hot linked.

http://www.trollada.com/imagem/earth-burst-artistic-design-download-exclusive-royalty-free-.../aHR0cDovL3dhdGVybWFya2VkLmN1dGNhc3Rlci5jb20vOTAxMjA2ODg4LWVhcnRoLWJ1cnN0LWFydGlzdGljLWRlc2lnbi5qcGc

Yes, copyright law, especially international law is complex. Personally, I start with the site, then the host, then the agency in that country which handles copyright. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

I think you might feel a bit less nonchalant if it was your work being ripped off....oh yeah, and it's my job to actually be proactive in these matters.

Thanks for posting this. I will take a look.

FD · « **Reply #8 on:** November 20, 2011, 22:40 »

Quote from: corareed on November 20, 2011, 17:10

You say tomato, I say tomato.

Message bodies on the MSG are picked up by Google and count as incoming links. You can avoid it by posting site [dot] com. People can still type the site in their browser URL field but the link doesn't count. Thanks for mentioning. How's cutcaster [dot] com?

CD123 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 21, 2011, 04:50 »

Quote from: bhr on November 20, 2011, 17:05

by sharing these sorts of links you potentially improve the CEO of these sites. By sharing these links in public you help to promote them.

Ostriches does the same, the press their heads in holes and pretend the problem is not there. Thank you Cora for pointing this site out to us so that, if necessary and possible, we can react and try and protect our interests.
PS The few hits from your link in this forum will not even make a dent on the ranking of this site.

Phil · « **Reply #10 on:** November 21, 2011, 05:02 »

Quote from: corareed on November 20, 2011, 17:23

No. They are not hot linked.

http://www.trollada.com/imagem/earth-burst-artistic-design-download-exclusive-royalty-free-.../aHR0cDovL3dhdGVybWFya2VkLmN1dGNhc3Rlci5jb20vOTAxMjA2ODg4LWVhcnRoLWJ1cnN0LWFydGlzdGljLWRlc2lnbi5qcGc

Yes, copyright law, especially international law is complex. Personally, I start with the site, then the host, then the agency in that country which handles copyright. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

I think you might feel a bit less nonchalant if it was your work being ripped off....oh yeah, and it's my job to actually be proactive in these matters.

It is really nice an agency take a proactive view!

bunhill · « **Reply #11 on:** November 21, 2011, 05:14 »

No nothing to do with ostriches.

Rather than promoting these sites by sharing links to them it would potentially be far more useful if agencies took a genuinely proactive role by quietly put their enforcement and legal teams to work on having copyrighted work removed where possible. Including where appropriate working in concert with their friends and industry colleagues at other companies. These are industry level issues and not something which should be tackled by the individual.

That is part of the role of agencies - to represent their business and therefore also the artists. IMO it is also potentially counter productive, in general, to encourage the idea that artists should send out "cease and desist" notices. That should be the job of the agencies - where it is deemed that there is any useful purpose.

There is IMO also a problem, in general, with artists who are not legal experts being encouraged to get involved in this sort of thing - which is that sooner or later legitimate users end up receiving nasty letters from increasingly disparate and random sources claiming to own or represent content. Remember that delibate pirates actually don't care if they get a "cease and desist" anyhow.

rubyroo · « **Reply #12 on:** November 21, 2011, 05:23 »

I TOTALLY agree with that, Bunhill.

I find it really odd that contributors should have to deal with this at all. Wouldn't the agencies rather we be busy creating images than running around like blue-arsed flies trying to track illegitimate usage?

As you say, all the legal nouse is on the side of the agency. This should be their department entirely, and yes, the industry should pull the same way and act collectively. I couldn't agree more.

CD123 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 21, 2011, 06:51 »

You might have noticed that Cora did post this in a general forum and not their own Cutcuster forum. I therefore assume that this was a general warning to all (not only Cutcuster contributors) to check for potential theft of their images.

I totally agree that the agencies have the duty to react to this, but I also acknowledges the extra effort by Cutcuster to put a general warning out to all about this infringing site, so if you find your images from another agency you can warn them.

There is a lot of talk on the forums about contributors standing together, if this is Cutcusters contribution to all (including agencies) pulling their strengths together against piracy, it needs to be applauded.

rubyroo · « **Reply #14 on:** November 21, 2011, 07:12 »

Ah yes. Great point CD123. Sorry for oversight. Thank you for drawing attention to this Cora.

It'd be good to have a thread here for 'Agency Alerts' or something. Somewhere the agencies can direct their compliance teams towards for a daily check on dodgy sites that THEY can follow up on.

(Gotta have a system...)

Perhaps if we were to centralise information here in a way that's easy for them to find, it will help them to help us (and themselves, ultimately).

Microbius · « **Reply #15 on:** November 21, 2011, 10:37 »

Site has Google Ads up, if you see your work please DMCA and inform Google of the rules violation
Please also DMCA the web host
If do not know how to do this/ what this means please look it up in this forum or elsewhere -- the DMCA is NOT sent to the people running the site so how much they care isn't all that relevant
If you recognize anyone else's work please let them know
If you can't be bothered to take a couple of minutes to do this to safeguard your work then please don't bother complaining about it being stolen
OP please break the link as others here have suggested and thanks for letting us know

Paulo M. F. Pires · « **Reply #16 on:** November 21, 2011, 10:59 »

Against that site i've done DMCA to web host ( Brazilian ) and think that was against this site that i inform google: nothing happens.

Tryingmybest · « **Reply #17 on:** November 21, 2011, 16:26 »

Quote from: corareed on November 20, 2011, 16:56

http://www.trollada.com/

Check and see if you see your stuff. I found a bunch from CC and a TON of other agencies.

Maybe you can just spell out the URL. Example: trollada dot com. These sites thrive off of backlinks and referrals from forums. That way you can alert us to the evil, without feeding the devil.

Just a suggestion.

louoates · « **Reply #18 on:** November 21, 2011, 17:31 »

I see one of my best sellers there. Not sure what I can do about it. I don't even speak the same language as used on the site.

Paulo M. F. Pires · « **Reply #19 on:** November 21, 2011, 18:14 »

Quote from: louoates on November 21, 2011, 17:31

I see one of my best sellers there. Not sure what I can do about it. I don't even speak the same language as used on the site.

See if hot-linked. Talk with agency I try remove and re-submit it.

Microbius · « **Reply #20 on:** November 22, 2011, 04:35 »

Quote from: louoates on November 21, 2011, 17:31

I see one of my best sellers there. Not sure what I can do about it. I don't even speak the same language as used on the site.

click "Anúncios Google", or hover the "i" on the ads then click. It's all in English from there.
Report the copyright violation and DMCA Google.
The people running these sites aren't stupid, if we make it not financially viable to spend all that time with ads down or fixing links then they'll move onto stealing something else.

louoates · « **Reply #21 on:** November 22, 2011, 14:01 »

After wasting another hour trying to find some Google "violation report" mechanism I decided not to waste any more time fighting theft. It just reinforces my belief that all images anywhere on the internet will eventually be available for use without compensation.

Tryingmybest · « **Reply #22 on:** November 22, 2011, 14:23 »

Quote from: louoates on November 22, 2011, 14:01

After wasting another hour trying to find some Google "violation report" mechanism I decided not to waste any more time fighting theft. It just reinforces my belief that all images anywhere on the internet will eventually be available for use without compensation.

We just need to help each other out. Those who know how to do it, just do it. Those who don't, just ask for help. When I get a chance, I've been reporting for others whether they know it or not.

CD123 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 22, 2011, 14:41 »

Quote from: louoates on November 22, 2011, 14:01

After wasting another hour trying to find some Google "violation report" mechanism I decided not to waste any more time fighting theft. It just reinforces my belief that all images anywhere on the internet will eventually be available for use without compensation.

Congratulations, with your new found insight you are now eligible to become a property owner in South Africa.

rubyroo · « **Reply #24 on:** November 22, 2011, 14:46 »

Quote from: TheBlackRhino on November 22, 2011, 14:23

We just need to help each other out. Those who know how to do it, just do it. Those who don't, just ask for help. When I get a chance, I've been reporting for others whether they know it or not.

That is one of the loveliest posts I've ever read here. Thank you SO much for that. I've given you a heart for that one

CD123 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 22, 2011, 15:01 »

Quote from: rubyroo on November 22, 2011, 14:46

Quote from: TheBlackRhino on November 22, 2011, 14:23
We just need to help each other out. Those who know how to do it, just do it. Those who don't, just ask for help. When I get a chance, I've been reporting for others whether they know it or not.

That is one of the loveliest posts I've ever read here. Thank you SO much for that. I've given you a heart for that one

+1

Microbius · « **Reply #26 on:** November 22, 2011, 15:15 »

Quote from: louoates on November 22, 2011, 14:01

After wasting another hour trying to find some Google "violation report" mechanism I decided not to waste any more time fighting theft. It just reinforces my belief that all images anywhere on the internet will eventually be available for use without compensation.

lol, wow that's a sweeping conclusion based on one person not being able to follow Google's AdChoices reporting mechanism.

Here is a quote from a previous post I made on this forum that talks you through it step by step. Once you've done it once and you know how it goes it takes literally seconds on subsequent occasions:

"There are two things you should do, the first part isn't a DMCA, it's letting Google know that the site violates the terms of AdSense by systematically violating copyrights and stealing IP:
1.
Where you see a Google Ad there will be a tiny blue arrow with an "i" on it that says "AdChoices" when you hover over it. Click that.
On the page that pops open click the drop down list under "Report a policy violation regarding the site or ads you just saw" choose "the issues are with the website"
Tick "The site violates AdSense program policies in other ways."
Then write out something to the effect that it is a site distributing people's Intellectual property in violation of copyright. Here's where this is explained:
https://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=105959

2. This is the DMCA bit:
As above but instead of Ticking "The site violates AdSense program policies in other ways." tick "The site is hosting or distributing my copyrighted content, without my permission." Follow the DMCA link click "Infringement notification form" fill it in and you're done. You need to provide a link to your work in the form. You can just have a link to the work on one of the micro sites.
"

CD123 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 22, 2011, 15:34 »

And a blue heart to you as well Microbius for such a useful post. Even the most skeptical under us .......... should be able to follow that!

Tryingmybest · « **Reply #28 on:** November 22, 2011, 16:19 »

Quote from: Microbius on November 22, 2011, 15:15

Quote from: louoates on November 22, 2011, 14:01
After wasting another hour trying to find some Google "violation report" mechanism I decided not to waste any more time fighting theft. It just reinforces my belief that all images anywhere on the internet will eventually be available for use without compensation.

lol, wow that's a sweeping conclusion based on one person not being able to follow Google's AdChoices reporting mechanism.
..... work in the form. You can just have a link to the work on one of the micro sites.
"

Microbius (or anyone else), do you think you could make a screencast of this procedure? Sometimes seeing it done can be easier to understand.

rubyroo · « **Reply #29 on:** November 22, 2011, 16:55 »

Yes, thanks again Microbius. Last time you posted your guidelines I asked if Tyler could add it to the Wiki, but it looks as though it's not been added. Maybe Tyler didn't get to that thread at the time.

Perhaps you could sitemail him the original post and see if he could add it? It's so useful to have that info in one place.

I think I hearted you for that post last time, but hey... what the heck... have another one

Microbius · « **Reply #30 on:** November 23, 2011, 03:22 »

here it is step by step part 1 (the bit that isn't the DMCA so not as important):
Click on any of the circled parts on the ad:

image hosting
Click to say that the problem is with the site not the ad:

image host
report that the site violates Google's ad policy

upload images

Microbius · « **Reply #31 on:** November 23, 2011, 03:27 »

Step 2, generate the DMCA form:
click any of these circles:

image hosting jpg
click to say problem is with site not ad:

jpg image hosting
Click to go to DMCA form:

adult image hosting
Ditto:

image hosting jpg
Fill in easy form:

image host

Done

Microbius · « **Reply #32 on:** November 23, 2011, 08:41 »

I've just checked the site and I'm wondering it trawls the internet leeching jpegs that match what you search for and putting it on the site.
I mean they have so much of my work from so many different sources, watermarks from all agencies etc. that I'm wondering if they are "stealing to order" in that way??

ETA, just checked the image file link info and they do seem to be hotlinked, so I guess that's what's happening. I thought I had some sort of stalker thief for a minute!

Microbius · « **Reply #33 on:** November 24, 2011, 04:46 »

Quote from: corareed on November 20, 2011, 16:56

http //w w w .trollada com //w w w trollada com/

Check and see if you see your stuff. I found a bunch from CC and a TON of other agencies.

Thanks for reporting this but I noticed you still haven't broken up the link as described by others here. Is there any chance you could do that? We can still work out how to find the site by typing in the address bar.

CD123 · « **Reply #34 on:** November 24, 2011, 06:49 »

Quote from: Microbius on November 24, 2011, 04:46

Quote from: corareed on November 20, 2011, 16:56
www . trollada . com
Check and see if you see your stuff. I found a bunch from CC and a TON of other agencies.

Thanks for reporting this but I noticed you still haven't broken up the link as described by others here. Is there any chance you could do that? We can still work out how to find the site by typing in the address bar.

Surely it will not help any more, due to all the quotes including the original link which will stay unchanged?

Microbius · « **Reply #35 on:** November 24, 2011, 08:22 »

lol, good point, fixed mine!

CD123 · « **Reply #36 on:** November 24, 2011, 08:29 »

Quote from: Microbius on November 24, 2011, 08:22

lol, good point, fixed mine!

+1

Morphart · « **Reply #37 on:** November 24, 2011, 09:42 »

Quote from: bhr on November 20, 2011, 17:25

Quote from: corareed on November 20, 2011, 17:23
I think you might feel a bit less nonchalant if it was your work being ripped off....oh yeah, and it's my job to actually be proactive in these matters.

My work is on that site which is partly why it annoys me you promoting it.

Yeah let's just keep shutting our mouth while other people enjoys stealing copyright. GREAT PLAN. And sorry but it's not CEO it's SEO. Second, a few backlinks won't improve that much their SEO, plus, who can beat the major agencies SEO?

Sorry BHR but I find your comment a bit alienating. If you would close your eye not to advertise theft, you would do that for murder too? Rape?... My neighbor was killed by Mr. Badass, but I won't tell anyone so that Mr. Badass don't get the satisfaction of getting free advertisement for his crime...

Morphart · « **Reply #38 on:** November 24, 2011, 09:44 »

Quote from: rubyroo on November 21, 2011, 05:23

I TOTALLY agree with that, Bunhill.

I find it really odd that contributors should have to deal with this at all. Wouldn't the agencies rather we be busy creating images than running around like blue-arsed flies trying to track illegitimate usage?

As you say, all the legal nouse is on the side of the agency. This should be their department entirely, and yes, the industry should pull the same way and act collectively. I couldn't agree more.

For this I do agree, but it's anyones job to report it to the agencies when he sees it. A million eyes are better than 10 000, and reporting it to the agencies takes a few minute.

CD123 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 24, 2011, 13:53 »

Note to all concerned and over concerned members:
Cora did change her link. Thank you Cora, hopefully the paranoia will now seize.

bunhill · « **Reply #40 on:** November 24, 2011, 14:10 »

Quote from: Morphart on November 24, 2011, 09:42

Quote from: bhr on November 20, 2011, 17:25
Quote from: corareed on November 20, 2011, 17:23
I think you might feel a bit less nonchalant if it was your work being ripped off....oh yeah, and it's my job to actually be proactive in these matters.

My work is on that site which is partly why it annoys me you promoting it.

Yeah let's just keep shutting our mouth while other people enjoys stealing copyright. GREAT PLAN. And sorry but it's not CEO it's SEO. Second, a few backlinks won't improve that much their SEO, plus, who can beat the major agencies SEO?

Seriously ... you're picking me up on a half asleep brain burp typo ?

Ok .. fixed.

Quote from: Morphart on November 24, 2011, 09:42

Sorry BHR but I find your comment a bit alienating. If you would close your eye not to advertise theft, you would do that for murder too? Rape?... My neighbor was killed by Mr. Badass, but I won't tell anyone so that Mr. Badass don't get the satisfaction of getting free advertisement for his crime...

Seriously ... you're equating hotlinking (to a bunch of files which are already online) with murder and rape ? Well clearly you don't mean to .. and clearly you do not see them as the same.

Listen - piracy irritates me as much as irritates anyone else who gets pirated. I feel the same about software, music and movie piracy. Only crap-heads do it. And the fact is that the site which Cutcaster was spreading links to is a lame old pile of **** - which nobody who is a potential customer would be wasting their time hanging out at. And it's for the agencies to deal with this kind of nonsense anyhow.

PS - Word became the #1 word processor partly because it was extensively pirated. At some level piracy also promotes trade. But the way to tackle piracy is to make content more readily available at a price which the market will support. Which is what the micro-stock model has been quite successful at initially. Better automated image tracking will be the next step IMO - to every sale, a unique code.

madelaide · « **Reply #41 on:** November 24, 2011, 16:06 »

I have just sent a not to BigStock about a site offering downloads from Rapidshare and such. G-F-X-T-R-A

lagereek · « **Reply #42 on:** November 24, 2011, 16:11 »

Just saw one of my own and one of Lisas! searched: engineer, and up they came. Not much to do about it, is it?

louoates · « **Reply #43 on:** November 24, 2011, 17:49 »

The more of these threads I read the more I am determined not to let thievery bother me. It's a fact of life that I can do zero about. So why bother?

FD · « **Reply #44 on:** November 24, 2011, 18:08 »

Quote from: louoates on November 22, 2011, 14:01

After wasting another hour trying to find some Google "violation report" mechanism I decided not to waste any more time fighting theft.

http://www.tareeinternet.com/forum/seo/263-dmca-template.html

Microbius · « **Reply #45 on:** November 25, 2011, 04:19 »

Quote from: louoates on November 24, 2011, 17:49

The more of these threads I read the more I am determined not to let thievery bother me. It's a fact of life that I can do zero about. So why bother?

Well, you've been given several options now, if you can't be bothered to take any action to protect your work, even when given simple step by step instructions, fine.
"It's a fact of life that I can do zero about" is inaccurate however, it is a fact of life that you can't be bothered to do anything about is more accurate.

Mellimage · « **Reply #46 on:** November 25, 2011, 04:37 »

Thanks Cora for pointing this out. I found one of my images that is not even for sale on any agency (it was hotlinked to from my blog) up there (watermarks included). It was one of my concert images.

Microbius · « **Reply #47 on:** November 25, 2011, 05:35 »

Quote from: Mellimage on November 25, 2011, 04:37

Thanks Cora for pointing this out. I found one of my images that is not even for sale on any agency (it was hotlinked to from my blog) up there (watermarks included). It was one of my concert images.

As I said before, I don't think the images are actually anywhere on the site. If you put your name in it I think it then somehow does a search of the web at that point and returns the images in the results with hotlinks.
And similarly if you are looking at an image it searches based on that image to present similars at the bottom of the page.

I bet if anyone here searches the site using their name it will come up with their images.

ETA "web" just to make it a bit clearer

Paulo M. F. Pires · « **Reply #48 on:** November 25, 2011, 05:51 »

Quote from: Microbius on November 25, 2011, 05:35

I bet if anyone here searches the site using their name it will come up with their images.

Dam it. This site is full of images from many agencies, and so on... Host in UOL ( Brazil ). Need to be shutdown.

Microbius · « **Reply #49 on:** November 25, 2011, 06:37 »

I've corrected my post above to make it a bit clearer. What I mean is that I don't think it has any of our images on the site, I think it pulls them from the web in general when you search.

Paulo M. F. Pires · « **Reply #50 on:** November 25, 2011, 06:57 »

Quote from: Microbius on November 25, 2011, 06:37

I've corrected my post above to make it a bit clearer. What I mean is that I don't think it has any of our images on the site, I think it pulls them from the web in general when you search.

You right. Searching my name + "Flickr" I notice that, other's photos, marked as "favorite", appear on results too.

Is likely "torrent schema sites": they don't have any content, just little files without sense.

Paulo M. F. Pires · « **Reply #51 on:** December 03, 2011, 16:38 »

After think about it, I decide sent a email, in Portuguese ( site and host are Brazilian ) and today I got a reply :

"Good morning, have removed all images from your site.
My site only shows the images on google, I'm fixing to not show your images.
Att Joe."

Somehow interesting that "fix"....

Let's see.

cathyslife · « **Reply #52 on:** December 03, 2011, 20:21 »

Thanks so much for posting all those screenshots, microbius. I'm going to print those out and keep handy. I looked once at this site for my photos but didn't see any, but will take another look tomorrow.

Earlier it was mentioned that this should be the agency's job. I wholeheartedly agree, but the fact is, THEY AREN'T DOING IT. They continue to take contributor's money but don't bother keeping the IP safe. Maybe instead of spending money on travel, parties, office massages, and all the other perks the employees at the agencies seem to get, money could be used to hire a full time person to track this stuff down and file DMCA notices, etc.

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