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Microstock Photography Forum - General => General Stock Discussion => Topic started by: mekarim on February 11, 2011, 20:43
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Hiii
WE Want TO KnoW who and what our purchased Photos OR illustrations are used for why most agencies hides this info from us , we made this stocks and we have the rights to know.............
Thanks..karim
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If I went to a store and purchased an item, I'd be pretty upset if the store then shared my information with the item's manufacturer and they started bugging me. Lots of the privacy rules about sharing (& selling) that information came about because buyers don't want to be hounded.
As a contributor I do love to know where my images and illustrations have been used, but I can understand why it isn't done. One site - Fotolia - used to do this, but discontinued it some time ago AFAIK.
As far as having a right to know, the only rights you have as a contributor are spelled out in each sites' artist supply agreement. And all of those allow the site to change them at any time for any or no reason, so in truth you have no rights at all (beyond removing your content if you don't like it).
Rights Managed sales will have this type of information - who is using the image for what and in what territories and over what period of time. Perhaps that sales model is more to your liking (although I keep hearing that it's a model in decline).
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Hiii
WE Want TO KnoW who and what our purchased Photos OR illustrations are used for why most agencies hides this info from us , we made this stocks and we have the rights to know.............
Thanks..karim
Hiii. No 'we' don't. I couldn't really care who buys my images as long as they continue to sell.
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that's true. sellers will be hounding and bugging the buyers trying to sell direct, cutting off the agencies.
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I understand that knowing who buys our pictures could pose privacy issues.
However, I would like to know some more statistical data, such as the buyer's country. Something like the new SS map, but in a readily available form such as a table, reporting all-time statistics too.
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I recall that the reason Fotolia stopped giving out that information was because buyers were being hassled by photographers to buy more of their work. Nonsensical really - it just pee'd off the buyers, who came to the agency model to make their own choices. Likewise, it seems to me the whole point of contributing to the agency model is to place a buffer between yourself and the buyer (which I prefer).
I'm not suggesting that the OP would do such a thing - just that this is one of the reasons that we no longer have that information... a few 'bad apples' spoiling it for the rest of us 'apples'.
I think Shutterstock's map strikes a good balance - I can see approximately where an image sold in the world, and it's helpful to see which images translate well into other countries and cultures. It helps me develop a more useful portfolio, without encroaching on the privacy of the buyer.
Shutterstock get it right again, IMO.
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I understand that knowing who buys our pictures could pose privacy issues.
However, I would like to know some more statistical data, such as the buyer's country. Something like the new SS map, but in a readily available form such as a table, reporting all-time statistics too.
i am with u if...... as i read tt may hound the buyers to know who are them .. i understand this point.. but what if they declare which country and the use of the image not to declare the name of the buyer will not harm them and give more satisfaction to the creators
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Hiii. No 'we' don't. I couldn't really care who buys my images as long as they continue to sell.
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I think Shutterstock's map strikes a good balance - I can see approximately where an image sold in the world, and it's helpful to see which images translate well into other countries and cultures. It helps me develop a more useful portfolio, without encroaching on the privacy of the buyer.
idont know what shutterstock do.. as am not a contributer but i prefer that all the agencies Adopt this concept that we have the rights to know at least some useful info for our satisfaction its not all about the money.
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idont know what shutterstock do..
SS shows a map of the world with icons of recently downloaded pictures on it; nice, but only last downloads are shown
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I don't miss having the buyer information Fotolia used to provide. It was fun at first tracking down my photos, but in the end it didn't really matter to the overall scheme of things. It's just as easy to Google my name and see what pops up.
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" but what if they declare which country and the use of the image not to declare the name of the buyer will not harm them and give more satisfaction to the creators"
Knowing what country a sale is from would provide information of little to no importance. And as you are selling RF, a buyer could use it for almost any 'use'. As said, I'm satisfied when they buy.
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Hiii. No 'we' don't. I couldn't really care who buys my images as long as they continue to sell.
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Also, when you'll sell tens of thousands of images - or even hundreds of thousands - it will be really tricky to know who bought what.
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Thanks all for your comments i respect all the opinions
Thanks karim
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I agree 100% with Karim. Although makers of ordinary 'physical' retail products may not get complete information directly from the stores, they have other ways of finding out about their customers. Do you think clothing manufacturers, for example, don't know anything about who buys particular items, colors, or styles? Or when, or why?
Wouldn't retailers want to give this data to the manufacturers, so they can improve their products?
Think of all the things you buy that include a "registration" card. The warranty is valid whether or not you mail in that card - its real purpose is to get demographic data on the buyer.
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Knowing someone from Korea bought one of my images would make no difference to my future creations, and no one has ever given a good reason why this knowledge would be useful.
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Knowing someone from Korea bought one of my images would make no difference to my future creations, and no one has ever given a good reason why this knowledge would be useful.
I agree, what sells is the important thing regardless of where it sells.
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Do you think clothing manufacturers, for example, don't know anything about who buys particular items, colors, or styles? Or when, or why?
Wouldn't retailers want to give this data to the manufacturers, so they can improve their products?
+1 Good point
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But it's nice to see the image at work, sometimes in a completely unexpected way, like when one of my granola images was used in the cover of a book about how to avoid constipation. ;D
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I recall that the reason Fotolia stopped giving out that information was because buyers were being hassled by photographers to buy more of their work...
I'm not sure why the sites seem to think that providing feedback on use has to give away the buyers' information? Certainly if they provide a website, or other information it would, but it wouldn't be too hard to have a dropdown for some generic information that would be easy to categorize - like 'blog', 'advertising', 'corporate', 'book', etc. In some cases, of course, the buyers don't actually know how or if they will actually be used in the future.
Personally, I find that the fewer the sales you have, the more you want to know where they went. Once you hit a certain volume of sales you will start to find your images in use - and a trickle of interesting ones is enough to satisfy you...
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Sometimes its good if the buyer want to know more about the photographer!! that way I landed myself 2 RM sales from my7 private collection for a total of 10K. That was back in 2008.
Pretty neat hey.
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like when one of my granola images was used in the cover of a book about how to avoid constipation. ;D
Very funny ;D am wondering which photo ??
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like when one of my granola images was used in the cover of a book about how to avoid constipation. ;D
Very funny ;D am wondering which photo ??
Just a bowl of granola.
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Sometimes its good if the buyer want to know more about the photographer!! that way I landed myself 2 RM sales from my7 private collection for a total of 10K. That was back in 2008.
Pretty neat hey.
Sure Neat
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I set a poll and i wish all users to participate in order to ask agencies to change this option if it succeeded
Thanks karim
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My opinion, is getting paid for using my shots, as long as i'm given my royalty i care less about what mt work is being used for....especially because it is a very demanding thing to do when you have such a large amount of you your work out there.
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In the poll: what do the three items "cancelled" mean?
I personally would not deal with a stock passing registration data to a seller. There is no real benefits for a buyer in that case.
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I contribute to microstock knowing up front that I am not going to know where my images are used. When I have an image rights managed, I expect that information and get it.
I have found many of my micro photos in use just by googling my name or using tineye.
I think the OP decided not to do the poll, that's why it says cancelled?
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In the poll: what do the three items "cancelled" mean?
I personally would not deal with a stock passing registration data to a seller. There is no real benefits for a buyer in that case.
I think they mean the poll didn't go the way the OP wanted......
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Don't Care. Besides which it would cost money for an agency to set up and as we know, anything that hits their wallet is generally taken out of ours.
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I like the features in DT and SS where you can see keywords and country of download. Mainly because it is fun, but also because it gives me ideas on how to improve my shots and keywording.