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Microstock Photography Forum - General => General Stock Discussion => Topic started by: donding on February 24, 2010, 13:32
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This is suppose to be a site were microstock photographers meet. It seems to have turned into a free for all. If I was a newbie seeking help I would think twice about even coming on here and partaking into any discussion on here for fear of being bashed. I don't know that I would even ever come back. When I joined last year it took me a long time to even join in on the discussion on here because I felt inferior. Some of you still make me feel that way because of your attitudes. Some of you act like if a person doesn't make a living at microstock then that person shouldn't even be on here and is a waste of your time. I guess those of you that feel that way, must have been born with a camera in hand and had all the experience in a past life. You talk about immaturity...well the name calling and bashing is rather immature. That sort of behavior should have stopped with high school. There are people on here that do things I can't stand but I am not going to call them names and bash them on this forum. Even if I don't like them I will still show respect to them and will not disrespect myself. I was raised better than that. I know I will get bashed about this and put on your ignore list, but I really don't care because I can't just sit here and watch this go on. If you are feeling guilty then you probably are. Yes your entitled to your opinion and should speak your mind in a constructive manner but please think before you speak. I am going to leave it at that.
So if you want to bash me go ahead but please stop the bashing of everyone else!!
So you know I'm not hiding behind my screen name...I am Donna Beeler and I live in Alabama.
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Well said Donna ! :)
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This is suppose to be a site were microstock photographers meet. It seems to have turned into a free for all. If I was a newbie seeking help I would think twice about even coming on here and partaking into any discussion on here for fear of being bashed. I don't know that I would even ever come back. When I joined last year it took me a long time to even join in on the discussion on here because I felt inferior. Some of you still make me feel that way because of your attitudes. Some of you act like if a person doesn't make a living at microstock then that person shouldn't even be on here and is a waste of your time. I guess those of you that feel that way, must have been born with a camera in hand and had all the experience in a past life. You talk about immaturity...well the name calling and bashing is rather immature. That sort of behavior should have stopped with high school. There are people on here that do things I can't stand but I am not going to call them names and bash them on this forum. Even if I don't like them I will still show respect to them and will not disrespect myself. I was raised better than that. I know I will get bashed about this and put on your ignore list, but I really don't care because I can't just sit here and watch this go on. If you are feeling guilty then you probably are. Yes your entitled to your opinion and should speak your mind in a constructive manner but please think before you speak. I am going to leave it at that.
So if you want to bash me go ahead but please stop the bashing of everyone else!!
So you know I'm not hiding behind my screen name...I am Donna Beeler and I live in Alabama.
You say you are Donna Beeler and live in Alabama ;-)
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What am I missing? Are there secret threads going on I can't see? I thought things were pretty mild around here lately.
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What am I missing? Are there secret threads going on I can't see? I thought things were pretty mild around here lately.
Same here, in fact I've just gone through a load of threads that I normally wouldn't bother reading in the hope of seeing some good old fashion name calling, but I couldn't find any, well apart from that microsaur/old hippy or whatever he calls himself now but nobody takes any notice of his dribble do they.
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I started from nothing 2 years ago and have found this forum very supportive and helpful. If you feel inferior, this will be a problem where ever you go, not just here. Sounds like you might be spending too much time on the forum looking for problems? Maybe find some other things to do with your spare time?
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microsaur/old hippy
perseus/wilddingo
Forums always generate a lot of name calling and bashing. I thought it was pretty mild here too. Typically, when I get tired of the same old, same old, I go back to shooting and working and lay off the forums for a while.
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There are a fair amount of putdowns here, some subtle, some not so subtle. Some "experts" can apparently only answer questions with patronizing or sarcastic language, which they seem not to recognize even when it's pointed out. Just tune them out, and go ahead and post those dumb questions. There are plenty of people here that are willing and able to answer them without the excess baggage. I started microstock a year ago and have learned plenty from this forum - some of it from total jerks :)
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What am I missing? Are there secret threads going on I can't see? I thought things were pretty mild around here lately.
I must have missed the juicy threads too. It looks like business as usual around here. I've even tried to not be overly confrontational or sarcastic. Now, my tongue has a big bite mark on it.
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...Some of you act like if a person doesn't make a living at microstock then that person shouldn't even be on here and is a waste of your time. I guess those of you that feel that way, must have been born with a camera in hand and had all the experience in a past life. You talk about immaturity...
Where do you see this happening?
I thought everyone here was rather polite and helpful.
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Here it is again:
"Sorry darling, I can't come to bed because somebody on internet is wrong..."
;-)
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Usually I don't have a lot to say because frankly I don't have alot to say, . . . I am new to this game and enjoy hearing from more experienced artists. But from my time on this forum I think the last few weeks have been a bit boring . . .
no offence but where is the mud.
E
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perseus/wilddingo
And batman, and... ;)
He keeps himself busy now on the Dreamstime forum commenting on blogs. He'll be back though, at the scene of the crime. ;)
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I mostly just lurk here now, but I'd have to agree that these forums are quite mild....
I've been doing only forums, and before that Bulletin Boards since the start of the 90's and this one is fairly well mannered compared to some which are more heailyt moderated..
I think Leaf does a pretty good job of keeping things just right, IMHO.
(And for what it's worth, people who completely hide behind a screen name with no links to blogs/portfolios etc. annoy me a well, but I'm over it...)
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I think that if everyone tried be be civil all of the time when posting it would make for a much nicer experience. Just my 2 cents.
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I started from nothing 2 years ago and have found this forum very supportive and helpful. If you feel inferior, this will be a problem where ever you go, not just here. Sounds like you might be spending too much time on the forum looking for problems? Maybe find some other things to do with your spare time?
I'd agree. The relatively few heated discussions that do go on here are almost invariably between those who are very experienced and therefore have strong opinions.
I'm struggling to understand why you come to MSG apparently wanting to discuss everything and anything ... other than microstock itself.
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Dunno what your problem is, Donna, but if you don't value/like what any particular person has to say just hit their 'Ignore' button. That's what I do with people whose opinions I don't really care about. For what it's worth, you're included in that group, and I wouldn't have seen what you wrote if michealo hadn't quoted you entirely.
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I guess I missed the controversial threads too. A link to what threads you mean would be helpful.
I agree that as internet forums go this is a pretty civil one. There are a few crusty characters around, to be sure, but often those more blunt members have some of the best advice to give. It's worth developing a thick skin IMO :)
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I don't make a living out of stock photography. Should I leave? :(
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Maybe lurking is the best way to learn?
A wise old man -- older'n me -- once said, "You got two ears and one mouth. That alone should let you know that you can learn at least twice as much by listening as by talking."
If you have internet there, thanks Dad. :P
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I have heard that the only people with bigger egos than photographers are surgeons. I know a lot of photographers, and I kind of agree.
With that said though, I also agree that this forum is pretty calm compared to most photography forums. If you feel abused here, check out some of the other big photography forums and you will come running back here for hugs.
This is the internet. Take what you want from the information available. Like sharply_done stated, the ignore button helps also.
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I don't make a living out of stock photography. Should I leave? :(
No you're the only person that remembers to feed the cat.
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I really think some people that come here and say "I just bought my first SLR yesterday and I thought I could make money by selling my snapshots" need some honest paternal guidance, even if the advice may sound a bit harsh.
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Hi Donna,
Don't let evil people put you in this state of mind. In life, you can find very few real friends. Try to find some of them here, and stick to them. Why would you let someone who is miles away from you hiding behind a nickname, typing on his keyboard to spoil your day.
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In SP I see many people whose friends say he does some very nice shots believeing they do. It is very difficult to show them the reality. It's a matter of standards also, everyone around take pure snapshots, then one manages to take photos a bit better, without even knowing why, and he seems THE photographer.
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Well, I have to agree that there have been occasions where I thought "what has happened to this forum" but not in the last few months. Donding, are you being being harrassed by PM maybe?
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Two years ago when I started I was searching for places where I can get valuable info on microstock and I think this forum did a trick. I guess it's not more hostile than any other internet meeting place. Go somewhere else and you get comments like "search first before you ask your stupid question". These people have their own issues cause it's obvious that newbies will keep asking same questions over and over again.
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This place owns the crown for having the biggest "real info / pure BS" ratio in all microstock boards. A smart newbie can find lots of good info if he or she can spot the ones who don't talk cr@p and start paying attention.
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This place owns the crown for having the biggest "real info / pure BS" ratio in all microstock boards. A smart newbie can find lots of good info if he or she can spot the ones who don't talk cr@p and start paying attention.
I agree. Internet is a matter of knowing how to filter information for your own benefit. Everything I know from photography, I have learned it from internet. I have learned a great deal from the SS forum and god knows how much bs you had to filter out from their forum, not so much now. I have learned a lot from this forum too. In addition, where else can you freely compare micro sites and get to know the new emerging ones. Thank you Leaf for all your effort.
Denis
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This place owns the crown for having the biggest "real info / pure BS" ratio in all microstock boards. A smart newbie can find lots of good info if he or she can spot the ones who don't talk cr@p and start paying attention.
Totally agree! ^^
And it bears mentioning that a lot of the best info is from some of the folks who may have a more blunt style. I admit, this is not the ideal place to post snapshots of a cat, flower, etc. and get pats on the back. But if you want an honest information about the microstock industry I can't think of a better place to get it.
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Guess I missed that one, Donna....
I'm quite happy here. Occassionally someone will come on and flame someone or everyone... but those people dont tend to stick around...
All in all, I think the vast majority of the folks here are civil, friendly, helpful and supportive of each other. This is THE ONLY forum I belong to and for just this reason... nice people here. 8)=tom
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Guess I missed that one, Donna....
I'm quite happy here. Occassionally someone will come on and flame someone or everyone... but those people dont tend to stick around...
All in all, I think the vast majority of the folks here are civil, friendly, helpful and supportive of each other. This is THE ONLY forum I belong to and for just this reason... nice people here. 8)=tom
Maybe in a couple of years Donna will feel same. Occassionally I visit other forums but this one is like home.
Well done Leaf, great forum.
Kone
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I find this forum the most worthwhile even with an occasional opinion I might not agree with ;)
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I still read the posts and contribute but not as much, I only have images now with The3dstudio.com and have been learning php and WordPress, but I still support microstock with images in mind as I use them from istock in my posts, and to show of my themes like here (http://digitalraindrops.net/demo/wordpress/wedding-theme):, but I do not include them with the themes.
Here is a WordPress portfolio theme (http://www.digitalraindrops.net/demo/wordpress/portfolio/) I am working on, pm me if you want a copy when it is finished, and I am looking at creating a microstock plugin to work with NextGen.
So i am being nice!
David :D
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I don't post often here but I check in nearly every day and this site is the best place for honest conversation of issues in microstock. As other have said it is often blunt and pointed but that is what makes it useful.
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was it a provocative post? :) the originator never came back to this conversation...
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the breath and scope of the discussions here as compared to the in-house ones elsewhere is just incomparable. the freedom of speech is such an invaluable commodity here only enabled with leaf's gentle moderating.
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...I admit, this is not the ideal place to post snapshots of a cat, flower, etc. and get pats on the back. But if you want an honest information about the microstock industry I can't think of a better place to get it.
Agreed. The touchy-feely "please praise my crappy photo of a little dog" threads are usually found at the SS forum. It's refreshing to come here and get into some real discussions. I think we have a good balance here of informative topics, interesting debate, and entertaining commentary.
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Perhaps the OP was being sarcastic? It has been very mild around here for a while now, I have only had a problem with 1 person that posts here in 3 years and he has been banned lots of times. He might be back again but if he is sending poison PM's, I am sure leaf will deal with him again. I have seen another person make some nasty posts but I think that might of been a one off, it looked like a drunken rant and hasn't happened again.
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+1 I don't get it.
If you are getting abuse by PM or anything then I would tell leaf. He's always been excellent at dealing with serious trolls etc.
I don't recall seeing any harsh threads recently.
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This place owns the crown for having the biggest "real info / pure BS" ratio in all microstock boards. A smart newbie can find lots of good info if he or she can spot the ones who don't talk cr@p and start paying attention.
Totally agree! ^^
And it bears mentioning that a lot of the best info is from some of the folks who may have a more blunt style. I admit, this is not the ideal place to post snapshots of a cat, flower, etc. and get pats on the back. But if you want an honest information about the microstock industry I can't think of a better place to get it.
i agree, this forum is very informative, that's why i joined it.
alamy forum is also good but the activity there is getting very low.
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I just want to clarify things that I should have done when I originally posted and I apologize for that. The bashing that was going on, was not directed at me, but some others on the forum. As most of you have pointed out, this is the best forum to partake in and that is very true thanks to Leaf. He has done a great job. I have also been to the other forums and know what it is like there. They are not the friendliest places. That was the point I was trying to make. I just don’t want this forum to turn out like those and that is my main concern. The majority of people on here are considerate. Like I said before I’m not going to single out people and point fingers here. That is a lot of the problem that I was referring to. I didn’t post to provoke people....even though it seems like that is what I have done. I just felt these problems need to be addressed and I hope you understand that.
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... I have seen another person make some nasty posts but I think that might of been a one off, it looked like a drunken rant and hasn't happened again.
Heh, I remember that, too. Definitely written while a little tipsy - I think he even wrote it on New Year's Eve!
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I just want to clarify things that I should have done when I originally posted and I apologize for that. The bashing that was going on, was not directed at me, but some others on the forum. As most of you have pointed out, this is the best forum to partake in and that is very true thanks to Leaf. He has done a great job. I have also been to the other forums and know what it is like there. They are not the friendliest places. That was the point I was trying to make. I just don’t want this forum to turn out like those and that is my main concern. The majority of people on here are considerate. Like I said before I’m not going to single out people and point fingers here. That is a lot of the problem that I was referring to. I didn’t post to provoke people....even though it seems like that is what I have done. I just felt these problems need to be addressed and I hope you understand that.
this forum is good because we can see top-sellers in action, we can read their views and sales.
if it wasn't like this no one would write here.
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I just felt these problems need to be addressed and I hope you understand that.
So, things are going fine lately here, no issues, but you decided to post this now? Um, ok. Or am I still missing something?
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(And for what it's worth, people who completely hide behind a screen name with no links to blogs/portfolios etc. annoy me a well, but I'm over it...)
I second that!
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(And for what it's worth, people who completely hide behind a screen name with no links to blogs/portfolios etc. annoy me a well, but I'm over it...)
I second that!
well being a public forum maybe someone isn't interested in linking his real name/surname and allow
strangers googling it.
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This forum has helped me get accepted at IS,SS and FT, so I have no complaints. Anyway, I found out very quickly that delicate flowers are not going to do very well in this business. Although I admit to sulking for a day or so over some of the critiques/rejects I received at a couple of sites I learned from them and it helped me out a great deal in the long run.
I suspect if we all met up face to face over a few cold ones, the majority of us would quite like each other.
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it looked like a drunken rant
Yeah, I think I've done that once or twice myself.