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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2014, 06:42 »
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I'd moan but, otherwise, nothing.

better hope Shutter isn't reading this one!

How many of those who lost the 50% did anything besides moan when 123 pulled the RC stunt?  Reality check: some people would lose enthusiasm to produce but the rest would continue on as it would still produce the best return.  "When you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow"


« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2014, 07:10 »
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How many of those who lost the 50% did anything besides moan when 123 pulled the RC stunt?  Reality check: some people would lose enthusiasm to produce but the rest would continue on as it would still produce the best return.  "When you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow"

But hardly anyone will have received most of its revenue from 123RF. 123rf has always been an agency, where sales were only a small part of the whole cake.

« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2014, 07:37 »
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spike, you don't understand why most of the people here don't like your topic?

Because you think there is fun in it! When you make a living in microstock, such kind of thoughts are not fun at all!
Because this is another negative thing these days! Why should we think about it? I don't want to think every day about: what if I die tomorrow? what if I get ill......
 
Don't you ever heard about the power of the positive thinking? Let's think about good things!
SS is doing great and may be they will decide to put another nail in the coffin of their rivals with a rise of the contributors earnings!  :)

« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2014, 07:43 »
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« Last Edit: May 11, 2014, 23:56 by tickstock »

Ron

« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2014, 07:52 »
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I think giving contributors a raise will in the long run actually bring SS more profit. And I think its remarkable that SS could deal another blow to competitors by paying more, instead of less. Also a small raise across the board wouldnt even hurt their cost % by that much. 100 million downloads, raise by 2 cents would cost them 2 million annually. It would just slow profit growth by a small margin temporarily. It would do wonders for them in terms of goodwill, contributor commitment, motivate contributors to keep submitting their best work, and a good WOM.

« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2014, 08:13 »
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Lets try this question upside down - what would you (all photographers) do if SS offers $1 (!) for basic level? Can you imaging how many photographers will come here? How motivating it could be?
It would be revolution in microstock (todays) world...
0,25, 0,33, 0,36, 0,38 $ - all will now be $1 for you, clear and fat $1 :)
?
What do you do?
?

And of course, they might use it in perfect marketing: "we are paying more than others, we are fair to photographers... we pay better for artists work " (you know what I mean...)

;)

« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2014, 08:28 »
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Lets try this question upside down - what would you (all photographers) do if SS offers $1 (!) for basic level?

I would sell all my shares immediately , I believe 8)

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2014, 08:53 »
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Lets try this question upside down - what would you (all photographers) do if SS offers $1 (!) for basic level? Can you imaging how many photographers will come here? How motivating it could be?
It would be revolution in microstock (todays) world...
0,25, 0,33, 0,36, 0,38 $ - all will now be $1 for you, clear and fat $1 :)
?
What do you do?
?

And of course, they might use it in perfect marketing: "we are paying more than others, we are fair to photographers... we pay better for artists work " (you know what I mean...)

;)

It would have to be established that they'd be able to maintain sales while offering a fairer price to togs (presumably by increasing prices considerably).

« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2014, 09:00 »
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I would do something much more profitable...panhandling comes to mind.

« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2014, 09:05 »
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Whats the point of worrying about something that theres no sign of its happening isn't there enough doom and gloom on here already?
The point is to determine if we, the contributors, make our decisions based on priciples or economic arguments.

When the deposit-shotshop deal came out and the contributors were screwed, many of us deactivated our portfolio. We were very noisy in protesting, mentioning principles and how WRONG this is. And that we don't want to be a part of this, if we are treated in that way. We were firm in this!

So ok. If it's like that, it should be the same with SS, no? Principles are principles, regardless of the agency.

If they're not, they're not principles. And I'm ok with that. But I'm not ok with the delusion that one has some principles, when the only time he/she exercises those principles is with an agency which earns less than 5% of the monthly total.

That was the point of the topic.

« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2014, 09:15 »
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spike, you don't understand why most of the people here don't like your topic?

Because you think there is fun in it! When you make a living in microstock, such kind of thoughts are not fun at all!
Because this is another negative thing these days! Why should we think about it? I don't want to think every day about: what if I die tomorrow? what if I get ill......
 
Don't you ever heard about the power of the positive thinking? Let's think about good things!
SS is doing great and may be they will decide to put another nail in the coffin of their rivals with a rise of the contributors earnings!  :)
Based upon what I know about positivism, there are two kinds: good and bad positivism.

Bad positivism is when you ignore the negative facts that you need to deal with in your life and focus only on the positives.
Good positivism is a solution orientated mindset - look for solutions to problems, focus on actions that you can take in response to negative facts or situations. Be actively on the lookout for real opportunities so that you will notice them. Realistically assess what is and what isn't under your control.

People who focus only on the positives live in their little bubble of delusion, and not in reality. I'm not one of those people and I can see you're not like one of "mine" people.

To be frank, I'm really surprised by the fact that such a large proportion of people can't or don't want to think about possible negative situations which might (or not) occur.

« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2014, 09:21 »
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thank god we have you!!

« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2014, 09:25 »
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I'm much more interested in a constructive debate about this "issue", rather than name-calling/ad hominems or low effort jokes.

ethan

« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2014, 09:25 »
+2
Enough.

Ergo, Spike's on ignore.

Permanently :)

« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2014, 09:26 »
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I'll write to Luis and ask him to adopt me.

But seriously, I run my business(es) on 99% economics , 1% principles - same as the agencies we work with.

« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2014, 09:30 »
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I'm much more interested in a constructive debate about this "issue", rather than name-calling/ad hominems or low effort jokes.

the point is that you cannot do anything about it, so enjoy while it lasts, in the meantime appreciate what SS have rewarded you because other haven't, that is the hard truth

« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2014, 09:30 »
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spike, you don't understand why most of the people here don't like your topic?

Because you think there is fun in it! When you make a living in microstock, such kind of thoughts are not fun at all!
Because this is another negative thing these days! Why should we think about it? I don't want to think every day about: what if I die tomorrow? what if I get ill......
 
Don't you ever heard about the power of the positive thinking? Let's think about good things!
SS is doing great and may be they will decide to put another nail in the coffin of their rivals with a rise of the contributors earnings!  :)
Based upon what I know about positivism, there are two kinds: good and bad positivism.

Bad positivism is when you ignore the negative facts that you need to deal with in your life and focus only on the positives.
Good positivism is a solution orientated mindset - look for solutions to problems, focus on actions that you can take in response to negative facts or situations. Be actively on the lookout for real opportunities so that you will notice them. Realistically assess what is and what isn't under your control.

People who focus only on the positives live in their little bubble of delusion, and not in reality. I'm not one of those people and I can see you're not like one of "mine" people.

To be frank, I'm really surprised by the fact that such a large proportion of people can't or don't want to think about possible negative situations which might (or not) occur.

What you are suggesting isn't a fact so most of us choose not to entertain your doomsday speculation.
There are enough everyday things that need my attention much more than somebody else's paranoia.


« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2014, 09:33 »
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Spike, it's not that people can't or won't think about it, it's that they don't consider it a "fun" topic to be discussed for entertainment.

It's like saying "just for fun, let's talk about what you would do if you home burned down"  no one wants to chit chat about that for entertainment but it doesn't mean they don't have insurance, thought out safety strategies like window decals to alert rescuers of pets inside, exit ladders from second floors, alarm systems, etc.

You probably would have gotten a better response if you'd posed the question with concern instead of trivializing it   Consider the difference between asking "are you concerned you daughter might be killed in a school shooting" and "just for fun, let's talk about what you'd do if you daughter was killed in a school shooting"

« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2014, 09:36 »
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What you are suggesting isn't a fact so most of us choose not to entertain your doomsday speculation.
There are enough everyday things that need my attention much more than somebody else's paranoia.
True, it's not a fact, but it could happen. I mean, in business, anything can happen, and I wouldn't count this hypothesis as super-unlikely, almost impossible. Maybe it is, I don't know, I'm not the CEO of SS, but it's a hypothesis worth exploring because it allows us to determine if we base our decisions upon principles or economic factors. Because I feel that many people feel self-righteous when they discard a low-earning agency, being all smug and full of integrity, but I'm not so sure they would discard a best-earner which would do the same.

This is not paranoia, this is just realistic thinking about our priorities. And why people block or downvote is still beyond me - if you don't like what I'm saying, talk to me, be constructive, defeat my arguments. If you just "don't like what I'm saying", that's not really a good reason (at least in my world) for a downvote.

« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2014, 09:39 »
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Consider the difference between asking "are you concerned you daughter might be killed in a school shooting" and "just for fun, let's talk about what you'd do if you daughter was killed in a school shooting"
Yep, this is probably true.

English is not my first language, so sometimes I fail to evaluate how things will sound to native speakers. "Just for fun" is an expression I know to be used in hypothetical scenarios, so I used it, didn't think it alone would cause a response like this.

Goofy

« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2014, 10:39 »
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Let's just imagine, for fun's sake, that the thing described in the subject happens. Also, all your OD's fall to the lowest price tier.

Would you quit?

I know a lot of contributors who report that around 70% of their earnings are from shutterstock. It's easy to have integrity when a small agency screws you over. If they account for 3% of your income, who cares, you have principles!

Is it the same story when the best earner does it?

EDIT: I don't understand why the downvotes. Is it wrong to ask a question like this? Some things I'll never understand.


And here I thought my state (Washington State) was the only one that legalized marijuana? Where do you come up with these lovely thoughts? I tend to keep negative thoughts to myself but that's me... 8)


« Reply #46 on: March 02, 2014, 12:33 »
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I would draw more to keep up! Wouldn't you?

« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2014, 12:39 »
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10% would quit.

80% would be unhappy, but just keep doing more of what they already do, hoping for something good to happen.

10% would be posting here, telling us it's a good deal,  how we'll obviously make it up in volume,  what a smart businessman "Jon" is,  and that anyone who can't see that is an idiot.

« Last Edit: March 02, 2014, 12:43 by stockastic »

« Reply #48 on: March 02, 2014, 14:48 »
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Spike you are comparing things to each other that are not the same.

Whenever SS made changes they informed their contributors.

Istock didnt with the Google-deal and now they don't with the being overpaid thing.
DP and Shotshop were hiding the fact that they are playing this sneaky game against all rules and agreements, even their own. 
When it is proven that they cant be trusted and while cheating them, they still ask trust from their contributors.

When SS should announce that they are lowering prices,  you can be angry, you can choose to stop uploading new content, you have the right to leave if you wish,  but until now, you are not cheated behind your back.

...and "fun''or "funny" are indeed not good words for all this.

« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2014, 14:56 »
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The list of "what-ifs" could go on in perpetuity.


 

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