Author Topic: Which Agencies offer 50-50 commission?? (Read 8800 times)

cthoman · « **Reply #25 on:** May 15, 2013, 12:37 »

Quote from: imagein on May 15, 2013, 11:58

@ cthoman

I can't imagine (despite being imagein lol) that most of us "mortals" can replicate our earnings from SS on any of these sites. Not even on all of them together.
Ok, those sites would probably sell more with 20M photos, but still not nearly enough to compensate earnings from the top4, at least not for the most of us. Maybe in 5+ years, but not everybody is ready for that process, which is btw very uncertain...

For making some drastic changes we would need some drastic actions. So before switching agencies, the most influential artists would have to start a marketing process, together with those agencies. What was the difference between Deposit and other newbies? - thats right, the marketing...

I do very little marketing for my personal site and I regularly earn more or similar to SS. The difference really is that I only have to sell about 1 file on my site for every 30 I sell on SS.

Granted, everyone may not have the same results, but I'm not anything special. I'm no Yuri. I just didn't see the point in waiting on what the industry was going to do next. I'd rather go out and try to make it better (at least for myself).

ShadySue · « **Reply #26 on:** May 15, 2013, 13:12 »

Quote from: tickstock on May 15, 2013, 11:24

Quote from: ShadySue on May 15, 2013, 07:06
Quote from: dirkr on May 15, 2013, 06:48
And our collective reaction to that is that we continue to put most our efforts on those sites that sell better. But those are taking their 70% - 85% cut of the sales price, giving them more money to be used for marketing and thus a competitive advantage against the "fair" sites. And in turn they will have more customers, more sales, more contributors supporting them.

A vicious circle that is not going to end on itself.

It needs some kind of step change to break that circle, only that I have no idea what that will be.

Not to be defeatist, but the apparent rush of all the photo factories to send their back-catalogues to iS, even those who have their own sites, shows that the task is at best, a very steeply uphill struggle.
Is there an apparent rush of photo factories? Shutterstock added 525,000 images since April 23 while Istock added 202,000 files of all types in the same time period. At this rate Istock will have as many files as Shutterstock (if Shutterstock does not add one more file) in more than 4 years.

I'm not talking about SS. Most indies on here seem to love SS and hate iS. Yet the iS queue has grown beyond belief and I don't believe it's your ordinary common-or-garden indies who are flooding the queue. OTOH, I've noticed at least two large factories, who by coincidence (or not?) hadn't uploaded since early Feb suddenly started again when the unlimited uploads thing was announced. Maybe (and I'm only speculating) they were drawn in by a promise that their pics would get ingested into signature plus despite Lobo's ~~promises~~ assurances to the contrary - he's only passing on what he is being told to pass on, and their assurances have been broken too often in the past.

However, my only point was that if all the big sellers, even the one who put millions of dollars into making his own site, are happy about selling as indies at iS, or on SS etc, it would be difficult to determine to sell only on the smaller, fairer sites.

dirkr · « **Reply #27 on:** May 15, 2013, 14:30 »

Quote from: imagein on May 15, 2013, 11:11

@ dirkr

Buyers doesn't care where the most artist will send their work, so random agencies won't sell more just if they reach 20M photos. It's not nearly enough just to stop send to one place and start send to other.

That's what I said. It needs some kind of step change. Whatever that will be.

Quote from: imagein on May 15, 2013, 11:11

This is about marketing, and marketing costs (unless there is a lot of buzz on the internet). If those agencies can't or won't put their effort in marketing, somebody has to...

Yes. And whoever has the deepest pockets (e.g. by giving the smallest part of earnings to contributors) can afford to spend the most on marketing. Giving them competitive advantage, more sales, making them more attractive to contributors. An incentive to cut commissions...
That's the vicious circle I meant.

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