Author Topic: Will the Russia/Ukraine war affect sales? (Read 50917 times)

thijsdegraaf · « **Reply #175 on:** February 28, 2022, 11:31 »

Quote from: komikmiha on February 28, 2022, 11:18

Quote from: thijsdegraaf on February 27, 2022, 14:23
Quote from: komikmiha on February 27, 2022, 13:36
Quote from: thijsdegraaf on February 27, 2022, 07:00
Quote from: komikmiha on February 27, 2022, 06:13
Finally Russia have send a clear message: dear Americans, your time as world policeman is over. You have been dropping bombs on Syria, Iraq, Libya, Serbia, Vietnam, Japan, etc., but it stops right now. What you gonna do? Will you crap your pants? Yes you will.

Weird, is not it? Of course you don't agree with that either.

Hadn't Russia dropped a few bombs on Syria too? At hospitals. Oh no, they denied that. And we've never caught them in a lie. A Dutch plane shot out of the sky. Oh no, they denied that too.
Ukraine attacked. Oh no, that was an exercise. Oh no, but it is an army of peace. Which country kills its own countrymen?
Coincidentally, I am now listening to a Dutch journalist, who has lived in Russia for thirty years, wrote that this would not happen and is now in shock that a brother nation is being murdered. like many of his Russians friends are in shock he said.

I've never said Russians are good boys. But, let's look again: Vietnam, Laos, Panama, Yugoslavia, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. Let's also look, I don0t know, tortures in Guantanamo. Or native Americans genocide. Or Israel. What about two atomic bombs? Are you blind or ignorant? You compare a journalist with 5.000.000 Vietnamese? Really?

Russia has demanded an end to NATO’s eastward expansion and said Ukrainian membership of the US-led Atlantic military alliance was unacceptable.

Can you do it? Thinking I mean.

Now I can say that Afghanistan became especially problematic after the failed Russian invasion in that country and that attacks were organized from Afghanistan on the west (Nine eleven). So there is more to say. But I'm not saying that the West doesn't make mistakes. In the Netherlands (also in America by the way) there were protests against the war in Vietnam.
The problem is that many former Soviet countries want to be independent. But be afraid of Russia and apply for that membership. And when I see what is happening to Ukraine now, I understand.
There is no hatred towards the Russian people from the west. Even now they are not held responsible.
No western country wants to attack Russia.
For years (except for a few countries) Europe has been cutting back on their defenses because they thought there would be no more war with Russia. Even as Russia continued to expand its military.

As we all know, NATO gone too far with its expansion towards Russia. And Russia is not Japan, Serbia, Libya, Iraq or Vietnam. There is no problem, all ex Soviet Union countries are now independent. There is hate from the West, it has always been.

Next conflict will be in Taiwan.

Oh, what about recent bombing of Syria. Yep, Israel did it again. But there is no media coverage.

No hatred towards the Russian people. Never been. Usually no sympathy for their government. Also sympathy for for example Gorbachev and ultimately also for Nikita Khrushchev.
I don't know how you get all this hate.
All your examples don't justify the bombing of Ukraine.
Syria is not a good example because they were also bombed by Russia.

Mimi the Cat · « **Reply #176 on:** February 28, 2022, 11:44 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 28, 2022, 09:53

Quote from: H2O on February 28, 2022, 09:44
Quote from: Zero Talent on February 28, 2022, 09:18
Good point.

Let's continue the history lesson with the shameful "percentage agreement" when Churchill, the "war hero", sold in cold blood, the east of Europe to Stalin, a man who murdered millions on a national scale.

In case you can't read Churchill's handwriting:

Romania
-Russia 90%
-The others 10%
Greece
-Great Britain (in accord with USA) 90%
-Russia 10% (he scratched "~~the Others~~" and replaced it with Russia)
Yugoslavia 50-50%
Hungary 50-50%
Bulgaria
-Russia 75%
-The others 25%"

The checkmark is Stalin's.

I have to admit that this is worse than leaving Ukraine on her own devices, in the fight with another Russian tyrant, but fundamentally it's similar to what we see today.

You cannot compare now to 80 years ago. that is simply bonkers, in fact that is what Putin is doing now and he is as mad as a box of frogs.

Lets just put this in perspective, times change and the world and societies were very different 80+ years ago, you miss all the nuance, pressures and the pragmatic decisions that were made for reasons at the time.

A wise man once said: "Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It"

... and "strangely", history repeats itself.

Edit: My dear Martha, I know you can produce, some on-topic, decent arguments, instead of cheap ad-hominem and sexist attacks. I know you can do better!
Love

Well if you want a history lesson the second world war was merely the postponed continuation of the first world war.

Lets face it who at the end of the second world war was going to argue with Josef Stalin?

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #177 on:** February 28, 2022, 11:45 »

Quote from: komikmiha on February 28, 2022, 11:28

So much about western media. It's coronavirus 2.0 when it comes to lies and manipulations.

The first casualty of war is always the truth.

Remember the 13 heroes that defended this island in the Black sea and offered their lives defending it according to a very emotional Zelinsky. They are all alive and probably surrendered since they were captured by the russians. I don't think they will receive the medals of honor from Zelinksy after all. Zelinksy told many lies as well as the mayor of Kiev. First the capital was completely surrounded and a few hours later it was not. Both statements directly from his mouth.

But then again the russians lie as well. They had never plans of invading Ukraine and they did anyway. They were only on a exercise but were planning it all along this past months.

But that's war. Manipulating public opinion through lies is half of the battle.

Mimi the Cat · « **Reply #178 on:** February 28, 2022, 11:47 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 28, 2022, 09:53

Quote from: H2O on February 28, 2022, 09:44
Quote from: Zero Talent on February 28, 2022, 09:18
Good point.

Let's continue the history lesson with the shameful "percentage agreement" when Churchill, the "war hero", sold in cold blood, the east of Europe to Stalin, a man who murdered millions on a national scale.

In case you can't read Churchill's handwriting:

Romania
-Russia 90%
-The others 10%
Greece
-Great Britain (in accord with USA) 90%
-Russia 10% (he scratched "~~the Others~~" and replaced it with Russia)
Yugoslavia 50-50%
Hungary 50-50%
Bulgaria
-Russia 75%
-The others 25%"

The checkmark is Stalin's.

I have to admit that this is worse than leaving Ukraine on her own devices, in the fight with another Russian tyrant, but fundamentally it's similar to what we see today.

You cannot compare now to 80 years ago. that is simply bonkers, in fact that is what Putin is doing now and he is as mad as a box of frogs.

Lets just put this in perspective, times change and the world and societies were very different 80+ years ago, you miss all the nuance, pressures and the pragmatic decisions that were made for reasons at the time.

A wise man once said: "Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It"

... and "strangely", history repeats itself.

Edit: My dear Martha, I know you can produce, some on-topic, decent arguments, instead of cheap ad-hominem and sexist attacks. I know you can do better!
Love

Wiseman?

Oh you mean the Harvard professor George Santayana, who said “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Zero Talent · « **Reply #179 on:** February 28, 2022, 11:52 »

Quote from: Mimi the Cat on February 28, 2022, 11:47

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 28, 2022, 09:53
Quote from: H2O on February 28, 2022, 09:44
Quote from: Zero Talent on February 28, 2022, 09:18
Good point.

Let's continue the history lesson with the shameful "percentage agreement" when Churchill, the "war hero", sold in cold blood, the east of Europe to Stalin, a man who murdered millions on a national scale.

In case you can't read Churchill's handwriting:

Romania
-Russia 90%
-The others 10%
Greece
-Great Britain (in accord with USA) 90%
-Russia 10% (he scratched "~~the Others~~" and replaced it with Russia)
Yugoslavia 50-50%
Hungary 50-50%
Bulgaria
-Russia 75%
-The others 25%"

The checkmark is Stalin's.

I have to admit that this is worse than leaving Ukraine on her own devices, in the fight with another Russian tyrant, but fundamentally it's similar to what we see today.

You cannot compare now to 80 years ago. that is simply bonkers, in fact that is what Putin is doing now and he is as mad as a box of frogs.

Lets just put this in perspective, times change and the world and societies were very different 80+ years ago, you miss all the nuance, pressures and the pragmatic decisions that were made for reasons at the time.

A wise man once said: "Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It"

... and "strangely", history repeats itself.

Edit: My dear Martha, I know you can produce, some on-topic, decent arguments, instead of cheap ad-hominem and sexist attacks. I know you can do better!
Love

Wiseman?

Oh you mean the Harvard professor George Santayana, who said “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Yes, that Wiseman, indeed. Yours is the original form.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #180 on:** February 28, 2022, 12:08 »

Quote from: Mimi the Cat on February 28, 2022, 11:44

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 28, 2022, 09:53
Quote from: H2O on February 28, 2022, 09:44
Quote from: Zero Talent on February 28, 2022, 09:18
Good point.

Let's continue the history lesson with the shameful "percentage agreement" when Churchill, the "war hero", sold in cold blood, the east of Europe to Stalin, a man who murdered millions on a national scale.

In case you can't read Churchill's handwriting:

Romania
-Russia 90%
-The others 10%
Greece
-Great Britain (in accord with USA) 90%
-Russia 10% (he scratched "~~the Others~~" and replaced it with Russia)
Yugoslavia 50-50%
Hungary 50-50%
Bulgaria
-Russia 75%
-The others 25%"

The checkmark is Stalin's.

I have to admit that this is worse than leaving Ukraine on her own devices, in the fight with another Russian tyrant, but fundamentally it's similar to what we see today.

You cannot compare now to 80 years ago. that is simply bonkers, in fact that is what Putin is doing now and he is as mad as a box of frogs.

Lets just put this in perspective, times change and the world and societies were very different 80+ years ago, you miss all the nuance, pressures and the pragmatic decisions that were made for reasons at the time.

A wise man once said: "Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It"

... and "strangely", history repeats itself.

Edit: My dear Martha, I know you can produce, some on-topic, decent arguments, instead of cheap ad-hominem and sexist attacks. I know you can do better!
Love

Well if you want a history lesson the second world war was merely the postponed continuation of the first world war.

Lets face it who at the end of the second world war was going to argue with Josef Stalin?

Yes, WWII is a continuation of WWI, and WWI is a consequence of older European conflicts.

Who was going to argue with Stalin? Not Churchill, the "hero", obviously!

The burning question is, who is going to argue with Putin, today, once he takes over Ukraine and more.

Anyway, the real history should acknowledge that WWII only ended in 1989, when the Berlin Wall fell, and when the consequences of all those shameful WWII agreements (like Churchill's percentage agreement) were corrected (to a large extent).

And this makes today's conflict a continuation of WWII because Russia doesn't like these corrections.

History IS repeating itself.

cascoly · « **Reply #181 on:** February 28, 2022, 14:16 »

Quote from: Lizard on February 28, 2022, 00:06

..
When you already mentioning n.zi. Lets have a little history lesson here, shell we...

Remember this ? Of course you dont, one could end up in Gulag even mentioning it in the cold north.

So..

Ribbentrop-Molotov Pakt, or Hitler-Stalin pakt how Germans used to call it signed in august 1939. A little treaty on military and economic cooperation where Russia provides Germans with oil cause Brits blocked their supply, and * shared their military technology with Russia in return.

?

i've actually agreed with your recent posts about history - but you don't need insult your audience by assuming we're ignorant of history. I've been studying history, and particularly WWII for 50 years (i mentioned the Ribbentrop-Molotov just a few posts ago)

cascoly · « **Reply #182 on:** February 28, 2022, 14:39 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 28, 2022, 09:18

Good point.

Let's continue the history lesson with the shameful "percentage agreement" when Churchill, the "war hero", sold in cold blood, the east of Europe to Stalin, a man who murdered millions on a national scale.

In case you can't read Churchill's handwriting:

Romania
-Russia 90%
-The others 10%
Greece
-Great Britain (in accord with USA) 90%
-Russia 10% (he scratched "~~the Others~~" and replaced it with Russia)
Yugoslavia 50-50%
Hungary 50-50%
Bulgaria
-Russia 75%
-The others 25%"

The checkmark is Stalin's.

I have to admit that this is worse than leaving Ukraine on her own devices, in the fight against another Russian tyrant, but fundamentally it's similar to what we see today.

yes, this callous betrayal of eastern europe was matched in later years by the hypocritical west being shocked by Stalin's takeovers (while at the same time Stalin in a rare move did not send support to the communists in the Greek civil war)

then there was the joint UK-USSR invasion of neutral Iran in 1941 https://www.rferl.org/a/1058759.html

Zero Talent · « **Reply #183 on:** February 28, 2022, 14:45 »

Quote from: cascoly on February 28, 2022, 14:39

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 28, 2022, 09:18
Good point.

Let's continue the history lesson with the shameful "percentage agreement" when Churchill, the "war hero", sold in cold blood, the east of Europe to Stalin, a man who murdered millions on a national scale.

In case you can't read Churchill's handwriting:

Romania
-Russia 90%
-The others 10%
Greece
-Great Britain (in accord with USA) 90%
-Russia 10% (he scratched "~~the Others~~" and replaced it with Russia)
Yugoslavia 50-50%
Hungary 50-50%
Bulgaria
-Russia 75%
-The others 25%"

The checkmark is Stalin's.

I have to admit that this is worse than leaving Ukraine on her own devices, in the fight against another Russian tyrant, but fundamentally it's similar to what we see today.

yes, this callous betrayal of eastern europe was matched in later years by the hypocritical west being shocked by Stalin's takeovers (while at the same time Stalin in a rare move did not send support to the communists in the Greek civil war)

then there was the joint UK-USSR invasion of neutral Iran in 1941 https://www.rferl.org/a/1058759.html

Correct!
The communist party in Romania was basically inexistent, with no more than 1000 members, while in Greece, the communists were a powerful force.
And yet, Stalin betrayed his Greek supporters, while Britain invaded Greece, (mind you after the so-called end of WWII) to crush the communists.

All in line with the infamous Churchill-Stalin "percentage agreement"!

cascoly · « **Reply #184 on:** February 28, 2022, 14:51 »

Quote from: H2O on February 28, 2022, 09:44

You cannot compare now to 80 years ago. that is simply bonkers, in fact that is what Putin is doing now and he is as mad as a box of frogs.

Lets just put this in perspective, times change and the world and societies were very different 80+ years ago, you miss all the nuance, pressures and the pragmatic decisions that were made for reasons at the time.

which is it? do we not compare? or do we take a nuanced view?

we MUST consider history for a perspective on current events. the history of the post WWII beginnings of the cold war has been forgotten/revised in western foreign policy - 'victors' rewrite history (more shades of 1984)

one example - USSR was criticized for declaring war on Japan & invading after Hiroshima. however, Stalin was upholding his promise at the February 1945 Yalta Conference, where he agreed that the Soviet Union would enter the war against Japan three months after Germany's surrender. that date was Aug 8,1945

The US dropped a second bomb on Nagasaki on Aug 9. neither bomb was necessary - Japan had no merchant marine left for supply; its major cities were already firebombed, so there was no need to invade (the excuse for using the bomb)

cascoly · « **Reply #185 on:** February 28, 2022, 15:00 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on February 28, 2022, 10:24

Quote from: H2O on February 28, 2022, 09:44

You cannot compare now to 80 years ago. that is simply bonkers, in fact that is what Putin is doing now and he is as mad as a box of frogs.

Lets just put this in perspective, times change and the world and societies were very different 80+ years ago, you miss all the nuance, pressures and the pragmatic decisions that were made for reasons at the time.

Thank you, that's what I thought the whole time during the little history lesson here.
It makes little sense to dig up the sins of individual countries from the past and then draw conclusions about the present.
We don't burn witches in Europe anymore - and that for good reason

we can't forget the past -- nothing excuses Russian aggression, but from a Russian POV their actions to add a buffer zone are justified by a history multiple invasions from medieval times thru Napoleon in 1812, Crimean War in 1853 & Hitler's invasion (causing 8 MILLION military deaths & 15-20+ million civilian deaths)

cascoly · « **Reply #186 on:** February 28, 2022, 15:07 »

Quote from: komikmiha on February 28, 2022, 11:25

Quote from: cascoly on February 27, 2022, 21:17

without going all the way back to Kosovo in 1389, the roots of the post communist wars of the 90s go back to the Balkan wars, Serbia's casus belli starting WWI, and the multiple factions in Yugoslavia during WWII

You skipped history lesson in school? WWI started Austro-Hungarian empire. Try to learn sometimes. It really helps.

why insult? especially when you're mistaken -- look up casus belli - while not explaining the origins of WWI, it was the assassination by Serbians that eventually led AH to invade Serbia, triggering mobilizations & WWI

thijsdegraaf · « **Reply #187 on:** February 28, 2022, 15:15 »

Quote from: cascoly on February 28, 2022, 15:00

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on February 28, 2022, 10:24
Quote from: H2O on February 28, 2022, 09:44

You cannot compare now to 80 years ago. that is simply bonkers, in fact that is what Putin is doing now and he is as mad as a box of frogs.

Lets just put this in perspective, times change and the world and societies were very different 80+ years ago, you miss all the nuance, pressures and the pragmatic decisions that were made for reasons at the time.

Thank you, that's what I thought the whole time during the little history lesson here.
It makes little sense to dig up the sins of individual countries from the past and then draw conclusions about the present.
We don't burn witches in Europe anymore - and that for good reason

we can't forget the past -- nothing excuses Russian aggression, but from a Russian POV their actions to add a buffer zone are justified by a history multiple invasions from medieval times thru Napoleon in 1812, Crimean War in 1853 & Hitler's invasion (causing 8 MILLION military deaths & 15-20+ million civilian deaths)

Correct. In my youth, many older people in the Netherlands still had an antipthia for Germany, fear that that time would return.
But that was a long time ago. Germany is now a good neighbor.
This was not entirely true for Russia after the Cold War, but the fear had disappeared (reflected in the low defense budget).
Putin apparently stuck in that history. And he was probably never able to accept the collapse of the Soviet Union. Actually a pathetic man if he wasn't so dangerous.

marthamarks · « **Reply #188 on:** February 28, 2022, 15:23 »

Quote from: cascoly on February 28, 2022, 15:07

Quote from: komikmiha on February 28, 2022, 11:25
Quote from: cascoly on February 27, 2022, 21:17

without going all the way back to Kosovo in 1389, the roots of the post communist wars of the 90s go back to the Balkan wars, Serbia's casus belli starting WWI, and the multiple factions in Yugoslavia during WWII

You skipped history lesson in school? WWI started Austro-Hungarian empire. Try to learn sometimes. It really helps.

why insult?

Why insult? That's actually a great question, Steve. And the pattern of insults seems to be spreading here.

WW III may break out on this forum long before it lights up the skies anywhere else up.

marthamarks · « **Reply #189 on:** February 28, 2022, 15:26 »

Quote from: thijsdegraaf on February 28, 2022, 15:15

Putin apparently stuck in that history. And he was probably never able to accept the collapse of the Soviet Union. Actually a pathetic man if he wasn't so dangerous.

Most men who start wars actually are pathetic human beings. They're dangerous because they're so abnormal that they can't establish normal relationships. They have to dominate everyone around them.

There are pathetic people just like that on this forum right now too. Sad.

Lizard · « **Reply #190 on:** February 28, 2022, 18:21 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 28, 2022, 09:18

Good point.

Let's continue the history lesson with the shameful "percentage agreement" when Churchill, the "war hero", sold in cold blood, the east of Europe to Stalin, a man who murdered millions on a national scale.

In case you can't read Churchill's handwriting:

Romania
-Russia 90%
-The others 10%
Greece
-Great Britain (in accord with USA) 90%
-Russia 10% (he scratched "~~the Others~~" and replaced it with Russia)
Yugoslavia 50-50%
Hungary 50-50%
Bulgaria
-Russia 75%
-The others 25%"

The checkmark is Stalin's.

I have to admit that this is worse than leaving Ukraine on her own devices, in the fight against another Russian tyrant, but fundamentally it's similar to what we see today.

Well, whatever percentage of Yugoslavia someone might have given Russia didn't have a single bit of influence on it. Stalin tried to assassinate Yugoslav president Tito exactly 22 times.

Then he received a message from Tito. "Dear Stalin if you send one more of your assassins I will send one to Russia. And I wont need to send a second one I assure you."

He never tried again. So that's the relationship Yugoslavia had with Russia.

He didnt like Tito since the war, because Yugoslavia was the only European country that liberate itself from naz.is without any help from allies. When war was basically over Russian troupes wanted to enter and "help" and Tito put a veto on it saying that when he did 99% of the job alone he will manage the remaining one.

From that day the things between Russia and Yugoslavia were all but friendly and Yugoslavia was the only Slavic country that basically had nothing to do with the eastern block.

He was also a founder of Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) which was NATO and communist Warsaw Pact alternative for countries that didn't want to stand next to any of dominant forces. It soon included 120 countries and was the largest alliance in the world.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #191 on:** February 28, 2022, 20:53 »

Yes, there are even claims that Stalin died not from a stroke but poisoned, when he was found paralysed and vomiting blood.
In that scenario, the main suspect is Tito. But there is no hard evidence to prove this hypothesis.

Anyway, one can't deny that that 50-50% written next to Yugoslavia was rather close to the reality on the ground.

Yes, Yugoslavia was a communist country, but yugoslavs were free to travel in the west, could own small companies, and overall Yugoslavia had the highest standard of living among communist countries (maybe together with East Germany).

Besides:
"United States supported Yugoslavia’s efforts in 1949 to gain a seat on the prestigious Security Council at the United Nations. In 1951, President Truman asked Congress to provide economic and military assistance to Yugoslavia. This aid was granted."

This looks very much like the "other" 50%.

Somehow, those percentages turned out to be rather close to reality on all cases, except for Hungary. But that's because of the 1956 Russian invasion.

S2D2 · « **Reply #192 on:** March 01, 2022, 02:08 »

The sanctions are biting:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60558731

From the Ministry of Misinformation

https://www.rt.com/

Zero Talent · « **Reply #193 on:** March 01, 2022, 10:25 »

Neville Chamberlain redux:

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1498626307609047041

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #194 on:** March 01, 2022, 11:45 »

Why was the other thread deleted, couldn't the repeated argument posts just be removed? Sucks that everyone else's posts end up in the bin too.

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #195 on:** March 01, 2022, 12:19 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 01, 2022, 10:25

Neville Chamberlain redux:

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1498626307609047041

Maybe not everybody is waiting on escalation and a World War III with a possibility of nuclear strikes. And then again Ukraine has not been very sweet either in the last eight years. As a European I am not really celebrating the thought that Ukraine might join the EU with their corrupt moral, politicians and companies. They are not that different from russians in general in that light. So forgive me for being selfish, I don't see the use of getting drawn into this war with massive consequences for my own country. But good for you, I have not a lot to say about it. I just hope my politicians will come to their senses and not put more oil on the fire. Russia will confisquate everything eastern of the Dnjepr anyway. It's just a matter of time and how many sacrifices you want to make in prolonging it a bit longer.

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #196 on:** March 01, 2022, 12:38 »

Just an example:
https://ti-ukraine.org/en/news/no-progress-ukraine-s-result-in-the-corruption-perceptions-index-2021/

Quote:
"Ukraine scored 32 points out of 100 possible in the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) for 2021. Our indicator has decreased by one point, and now Ukraine ranks 122nd out of 180 countries in the CPI."

So rather not join the EU. We have to many poor brothers already.

thijsdegraaf · « **Reply #197 on:** March 01, 2022, 13:24 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on March 01, 2022, 11:45

Why was the other thread deleted, couldn't the repeated argument posts just be removed? Sucks that everyone else's posts end up in the bin too.

Yes indeed a pity. But I do understand it. It degenerated into personal insults instead of giving opinions and discussion. I already skipped a lot.
I can't delete my input myself like on the Shutterforum. I don't know if that is possible for anyone else. maybe by Leaf, but I can imagine that he doesn't feel like it.
I don't think the Diamond members can do that and some of them were involved in the "discussion" themselves.

But it is annoying that in this way every interesting discussion ends up in the trash.

marthamarks · « **Reply #198 on:** March 01, 2022, 13:32 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on March 01, 2022, 11:45

Why was the other thread deleted, couldn't the repeated argument posts just be removed? Sucks that everyone else's posts end up in the bin too.

I would have been happy to cease that particular line of argument, but as long as I'm being demeaned and ridiculed as an old and feeble-minded, albeit "sweet" woman, I'll persist. Still, I'm sure Zero and I could have declared a cease-fire at some point.

Yes, our particular comments could have been deleted, while the thread was preserved.

If Leaf wants to do that and restore it, I pledge to cease and desist if Zero also agrees to those terms.

S2D2 · « **Reply #199 on:** March 01, 2022, 14:02 »

Quote from: thijsdegraaf on March 01, 2022, 13:24

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on March 01, 2022, 11:45
Why was the other thread deleted, couldn't the repeated argument posts just be removed? Sucks that everyone else's posts end up in the bin too.

Yes indeed a pity. But I do understand it. It degenerated into personal insults instead of giving opinions and discussion. I already skipped a lot.
I can't delete my input myself like on the Shutterforum. I don't know if that is possible for anyone else. maybe by Leaf, but I can imagine that he doesn't feel like it.
I don't think the Diamond members can do that and some of them were involved in the "discussion" themselves.

But it is annoying that in this way every interesting discussion ends up in the trash.

I believe Zero Talent deleted it himself as it says 'Author: Zero Talent, last post: Zero Talent'.

I am the author and as far as I remember Martha was the last person to post.

Thijs, you can go into a post and edit it, then remove everything, leaving just a full stop. Then it updates with the text removed, and the full stop remaining.

Apart from this, I don't believe you can actually delete a post.

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