Quote from: thijsdegraaf on March 01, 2022, 13:24

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on March 01, 2022, 11:45

Why was the other thread deleted, couldn't the repeated argument posts just be removed? Sucks that everyone else's posts end up in the bin too.

Yes indeed a pity. But I do understand it. It degenerated into personal insults instead of giving opinions and discussion. I already skipped a lot.
I can't delete my input myself like on the Shutterforum. I don't know if that is possible for anyone else. maybe by Leaf, but I can imagine that he doesn't feel like it.
I don't think the Diamond members can do that and some of them were involved in the "discussion" themselves.

But it is annoying that in this way every interesting discussion ends up in the trash.

I believe Zero Talent  deleted it himself as it says 'Author: Zero Talent, last post: Zero Talent'.

I am the author and as far as I remember Martha was the last person to post.

Thijs, you can go into a post and edit it, then remove everything, leaving just a full stop.  Then it updates with the text removed, and the full stop remaining.

Apart from this, I don't believe you can actually delete a post.

Yes I did too Debbie. I've used "Quote" several times instead of "Modify". To which I saw my text twice. Then I just made a dot of it. :-)

So you can do that Zero and Martha. That seems like a good idea to me.

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 01, 2022, 14:11

That thread has been rightfully locked by the admins.
No edits nor replies are possible anymore.

Given the serious quality decay it suffered, it rightfully belongs to the Garbage Bin, where it can still be consulted, by anyone interested.

It would be nice if this thread lives on for a while Zero.

Yes, I'd like this very much.
Ukraine's tragedy is heartbreaking, and people should be able to hear varied opinions, not just what they get from their news bubble.

Maybe we should change its title and move it to the off-topic section.

Thank you for your concern, even though it�s backhanded. Just wait. You�ll see. 😂 Did you bother to look up the WEF? The Great Reset? Those who live in the UK should understand, it�s happening there. I don�t expect many to come to my defense because no one wants to be called mentally ill. And most WILL think I'm crazy.

Remember the scoffing at #plandemic? Gosh, have you heard much about rona in the past week? It just magically disappeared! Of course you are going to say the vacseens eradicated it. Have you looked at the VAERS data on vacs injuries? No bet not. Have you seen that even the CDC is withholding info and backtracking? Have you seen that pfizzer and mod-er na stocks are dropping and investors are bailing?

rona = out   war = in   But you go ahead and stay blind. 😀

I�ll just leave this, just in case some have an open mind. Pay attention to the members, too.
https://www.weforum.org/partners/

Carry on.


Hi Cathy - I try and keep an open mind about such things - very strange and upsetting things recently in Canada too.  A lot of things don't make sense.

Oh no. Let's not talk about Corona now. A mild variant, many vaccinated. Spring is coming. Huge numbers of infections, as a result of which the refusers, children have also had it. My neighbor children, grandchildren have had it. let's hope that in these difficult times a dangerous variant does not appear again. We old people (My wife heart problems, diabetic) remain a bit careful.
In many countries, including the Netherlands, all measures were phased out before misery broke out in Ukraine. Probably also in Russia, which made it easier for Putin to do this.
Many Dutch people have already signed up to fight there, I read. Just like in England I saw on television. it's all so sad.

Quote from: thijsdegraaf on March 01, 2022, 15:23

Oh no. Let's not talk about Corona now.

Yep! In case some didn't realize, there are two Corona threads in the Garbage Bin, already.
Plenty of "info" there! No need to repeat it here.

I agree with you again Zero. 

The day Ukraine was attacked, a group of people walked past our front door demonstrating against the government's Corona measures. From a loudspeaker a song sounded: "I don't want to conform anymore, I want to take my freedom back into my own hands...".

This was perhaps one of the saddest moments in my life. These people have only one thing in focus: themselves.

There was an entire nation under attack, the freedom of the citizens of this country was under attack, and people were walking by down there whose only problem is that they had to wear masks to protect themselves and others.

Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest because it's just unbearable. But I'll end this topic and I won't start it again.

Quote from: cascoly on February 28, 2022, 15:00

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on February 28, 2022, 10:24

Quote from: H2O on February 28, 2022, 09:44

You cannot compare now to 80 years ago. that is simply bonkers, in fact that is what Putin is doing now and he is as mad as a box of frogs.

Lets just put this in perspective, times change and the world and societies were very different 80+ years ago, you miss all the nuance, pressures and the pragmatic decisions that were made for reasons at the time.

Thank you, that's what I thought the whole time during the little history lesson here.
It makes little sense to dig up the sins of individual countries from the past and then draw conclusions about the present.
We don't burn witches in Europe anymore - and that for good reason 

we can't forget the past -- nothing excuses Russian aggression, but from a Russian POV their actions to add a buffer zone are justified by a history multiple invasions from medieval times thru Napoleon in 1812, Crimean War in 1853 & Hitler's invasion (causing 8 MILLION military deaths & 15-20+ million civilian deaths)

Correct. In my youth, many older people in the Netherlands still had an antipthia for Germany, fear that that time would return.
But that was a long time ago. Germany is now a good neighbor.
This was not entirely true for Russia after the Cold War, but the fear had disappeared (reflected in the low defense budget).
Putin apparently stuck in that history. And he was probably never able to accept the collapse of the Soviet Union. Actually a pathetic man if he wasn't so dangerous.

All dictators have identical pattern of their end of life.

Why was the other thread deleted, couldn't the repeated argument posts just be removed? Sucks that everyone else's posts end up in the bin too.

Having read back through that shabby, now locked, thread, I don't think it contains any important information about Ukraine, just about the inhabitants of this forum.

With one exception: your comments about what you believe Russia's intentions are with regard to splitting the Ukraine.  I quote a section here but why don't you make a new post in this thread copying the whole text of your posts.  It's very interesting:

From Justanotherphotographer:

'I've a got an awful sinking feeling that what Russia has been after is everything East of the Dnieper (not the whole of Ukraine)'

In that situation Leaf would normally clean up the thread by deleting those posts and stating want has been done.

In all my 9 years on this forum, I don't recall a time when Leaf has pulled an entire thread down just because a couple of participants got into a disagreement. So this case was odd.

I suspect somebody other than Leaf decided to get rid of the thread, for whatever reason.

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on March 02, 2022, 06:18

In that situation Leaf would normally clean up the thread by deleting those posts and stating want has been done.

In all my 9 years on this forum, I don't recall a time when Leaf has pulled an entire thread down just because a couple of participants got into a disagreement. So this case was odd.

I suspect somebody other than Leaf decided to get rid of the thread, for whatever reason.

I've answered this before and I'll answer you and Debbie one more time.

There's only one person who has the power to LOCK a thread and that's Leaf. Once locked there are a number of us who could have moved it to garbage, anonymously, but ZT didn't hide like some others have in the past, when that other person moved the holiday thread or the virus thread, because things weren't going their way.

ZT could have moved the thread and no one except Leaf would know who did that.

Zero didn't hide and took responsibility for what he decided.

There's only one person who has the power to LOCK a thread and that's Leaf.

I believe Zero Talent  deleted it himself as it says 'Author: Zero Talent, last post: Zero Talent'.

I am the author and as far as I remember Martha was the last person to post.

No one except the author can edit their own posts, except LEAF. 

Unlike SS forum where someone can become childish and delete their own thread, which then deleted all the posts in that thread. (and then people would accuse SS of censorship  ) That doesn't happen here. And maybe it's good that someone can't be poison or spoiled and delete all their posts to erase what they wrote, without going one by one and replacing the text with a period.

That's kind of futile and a waste of time, because if you are quoted, the quote remains. People who try to erase their posts and play revisionist, or pretend they didn't write something, are quoted in full and that never goes away.

You can however change your name and create a new anonymous account?

Leaf has removed entire threads a number of times. It's easier than taking the time to go through and pick out, post by post, which he did do sometimes. Also he's very liberal and allows a loose leash and free speech with opinions. Very little censorship. But when it comes to personal attacks, you can expect to be moderated.

ps On Topic:  No I don't think the war will hurt my sales. I seldom sell anything to any of the affected countries.

Ok, so somebody can move this one to the garbage can as well because they are starting again.

Martha and Zero, maybe you can start a new topic (off topic) and go insult eachother there. Just the two of you, nice and cosy?

Martha and Zero, maybe you can start a new topic (off topic) and go insult eachother there. Just the two of you, nice and cosy?

I'll happily cease and desist when he does.

'Martha, I understand you and was affected myself.
You don't have to be constantly belittled as an adult, educated person. This is a very bad, disrespectful, impolite and not goal-directed discussion style, which is why I got out of it'.

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Very well expressed. 

Thank you Ralf.