Author Topic: what??? What should I do? (Read 15812 times)

vikavalter · « **on:** May 17, 2008, 09:10 »

I found one of my pictures used on other photographers portfolio online
http://www.photoarte.co.uk/porgallery.php?page=08
Just to make it funnier, I'm the model on it aswell, and I'm pretty sure I took it myslef at my place
how should I approach him and how much should I ask for using it under wrong name?

cshack · « **Reply #1 on:** May 17, 2008, 09:28 »

I would sure contact him and demand that he remove it for starters. I'm not sure legal action would get you anything but it may be worth a try. This happened to me about a year ago. I sent the photog a email and the image was removed that day. Strangely enough he also removed about 10 others as well. I guess I wasn't the only one he stole from. I think a lot of wannabe photogs do this in the beginning with web sites. I was flattered to see that he thought my work was good enough to represent him but I still say it's wrong and illegal.

vikavalter · « **Reply #2 on:** May 17, 2008, 09:33 »

Im thinking on sending invoice, I'm pretty sure I can find his post address if try hard.

vikavalter · « **Reply #3 on:** May 17, 2008, 09:36 »

for f*ck's sake

"You can also see and purchase a selection of our work on Saturdays and
Sundays at our stall in the Northcote Road market, London SW11, nearest BR Clapham Junction, nearest tube Clapham South. The stall is between Bennerley and Mallinson Road by The Lola Spanish restaurant.

See you there."

from here http://www.photoarte.co.uk/contact.php

well there is a billing address aswell!

ZymmMan · « **Reply #4 on:** May 17, 2008, 09:55 »

well, these french guys used it without even paying for it http://lassiette.blog.lemonde.fr/category/livres/.

vikavalter · « **Reply #5 on:** May 17, 2008, 10:06 »

Quote from: ZymmMan on May 17, 2008, 09:55

well, these french guys used it without even paying for it http://lassiette.blog.lemonde.fr/category/livres/.

yeps I lefta comment there too.
Playing with TinEYE?

anonymous · « **Reply #6 on:** May 17, 2008, 10:06 »

Quote from: ZymmMan on May 17, 2008, 09:55

well, these french guys used it without even paying for it http://lassiette.blog.lemonde.fr/category/livres/.

...sorry Zymm, can't read french.

Vika, keep us posted. I just sent him an email "...are you ready to face the legal system for using other photographer's works?"
I'll keep you posted if he responds.

Contakt · « **Reply #7 on:** May 17, 2008, 10:20 »

And this immoral thief has also ripped off Andres as well...

Gregor909 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 17, 2008, 10:58 »

This site pops up pretty high in google;
http://www.hitched.co.uk/weddingsuppliers_Details:Category-Photographers_LONDON_33_4371_1#
So I would say lets write a nice review on this company.

A photographer who can't make his own photo's. Wat a miserable piece of sh!t!

jorgeinthewater · « **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2008, 11:30 »

He has some of Yuri's stuff also!!http://www.photoarte.co.uk/eapgallery.php?page=05
What a bottom feeder this guy is. Hang Him High I say.

PellixQL · « **Reply #10 on:** May 17, 2008, 12:32 »

He has an image from someone on iStock named lisegagne too.
newbielink:http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/gender/male/men/2687761_butler_serving_dinner.php?id=2687761 [nonactive]
newbielink:http://www.photoarte.co.uk/comgallery.php?page=06 [nonactive]

Please forgive the newbie question, but does this happen very often. I'm considering selling some of my work for the first time and don't know the ropes yet.

jsnover · « **Reply #11 on:** May 17, 2008, 12:33 »

I sent this guy some e-mail saying he needed to take down those stock photos he didn't shoot - did he think that stock photographers didn't know about the internet. We'll see what he does.

I guess I can only assume he isn't a very good photographer - why else would someone litter his site with photos he didn't take advertising what a great photographer he is?

Edited to add that I sent Lise a site mail asking her to contact this scuzzbucket to try and shame him into taking these down.

lisafx · « **Reply #12 on:** May 17, 2008, 12:40 »

ETA: I just did see where he claims to have taken the images in his "commercial gallery". He did violate the terms of the agreement. How nice he did it to istock's top exclusive. I am sure they will be happy to pursue this.....
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Not trying to play Devil's advocate, but this issue came up a year or so ago on one of the stock sites and in that case the "photographer" was using purchased stock images to decorate his website and that was considered legal usage.

Yes, that implied he took the images and he hadn't (one of them was mine) but if he had not not EXPLICITLY said he took those particular (stock) images, it would have been considered legal use of a downloaded image. According to the licensing terms it was like anyone else using a stock image to decorate their website.

Where he crossed the line is in the Commercial Gallery where he states those stock images are examples of his work. Very bad.....

JoAnn hit the nail on the head when she states he must not be a very good photographer. Check out his portrait gallery of recent sessions. I doubt many of them would pass muster on the stock agencies....

jsnover · « **Reply #13 on:** May 17, 2008, 12:45 »

Lisa,

I am sure it is within the terms of the license he purchased, but I would hope that public shaming might encourage him to do the right thing. I don't think the stock sites will do anything for the reasons you stated.

I know the UK has some rather nasty libel laws (the person accused of libel has to prove that what they said was true, rather than the complainant having to prove it's false) so we should tread carefully in posting on any public sites (i.e. don't say the guy's a filthy liar, but one could point out the origin of all those photos that we know to be stock).

stokfoto · « **Reply #14 on:** May 17, 2008, 12:55 »

may be micro stock sites should make accreditation compulsory in their terms and condition so that people couldn't get away with such misuse of our images.have you seen any images bought from Getty used without a credit line?why shouldn't micros implement that as a rule as well?

lisafx · « **Reply #15 on:** May 17, 2008, 13:06 »

Quote from: jsnover on May 17, 2008, 12:45

Lisa,

I am sure it is within the terms of the license he purchased, but I would hope that public shaming might encourage him to do the right thing. I don't think the stock sites will do anything for the reasons you stated.

I know the UK has some rather nasty libel laws (the person accused of libel has to prove that what they said was true, rather than the complainant having to prove it's false) so we should tread carefully in posting on any public sites (i.e. don't say the guy's a filthy liar, but one could point out the origin of all those photos that we know to be stock).

Good warning to note about the libel laws.

I do think istock has a case against the guy for claiming he took the images in his commercial gallery.

Frankly though, all he would have to do is change the wording to "here are examples similar to our work" or something like that and be back on the right side of the usage agreement.

Jimi King · « **Reply #16 on:** May 17, 2008, 13:51 »

Well he's very kindly provided his phone number. If you replace the "020" with "0044 20" you can dial it from anywhere in the world.

vikavalter · « **Reply #17 on:** May 17, 2008, 14:01 »

I mailed him the following
"hey,
I'm the model from one of the pictures on your site (http://www.photoarte.co.uk/site_images/art.jpg ), I haven't being paid yet for my modelling services and I was wondering if I can send the billing to the photographer's address stated on your site.
thank you very much in advanced, hoping to hear from you soon,
regards,
Victoria "

lets see how he deals with his unpaid modeling services.

RT · « **Reply #18 on:** May 17, 2008, 14:10 »

He has a great imagination when it comes to his client list as well!!

ZymmMan · « **Reply #19 on:** May 17, 2008, 14:22 »

vikavalter,

You do not need to be french to see that this website owned by Le Monde, one of the biggest Newspaper in France ( like the NY Times in the USA) has used your image by just screengrabbing it ( is that a word ?) from the Shutterstock website with the logo on it. and no, it is not an article on Shutterstock but in eating healthy.

Yes, indeed playing with TinEye. A great and easy tool to find internet usage quickly.

best

vikavalter · « **Reply #20 on:** May 17, 2008, 14:40 »

ok got a reply, taht teh images will be removed this evening,

my answer:
great to hear, you should really get busy shooting your own stuff. I can't afford to shoot 8 hrs a day and have work for others, but I still manage to have my own portfolio.
best wishes,
Vika

about french newspaper, I posted a following coment:" hey, I can offer you my lettuce picture watermark free for a very low fee! don’t hesitate to ask.
kind regards, the photographer"

maybe I should mail them aswell

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #21 on:** May 17, 2008, 14:46 »

Quote from: vikavalter on May 17, 2008, 10:06

Quote from: ZymmMan on May 17, 2008, 09:55
well, these french guys used it without even paying for it http://lassiette.blog.lemonde.fr/category/livres/.

yeps I lefta comment there too.
Playing with TinEYE?

Vikavakter, I'm french, there is a link "Alerter" at the bottom of the post, from where you can complain about illegal content.
It is asked to inform them about the title of the article, his date and his url.
"Le Monde" is one of the most famous french newspaper (if not the most).

Gregor909 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 17, 2008, 14:55 »

Quote from: vikavalter on May 17, 2008, 14:40

about french newspaper, I posted a following coment:" hey, I can offer you my lettuce picture watermark free for a very low fee! don’t hesitate to ask.
kind regards, the photographer"

maybe I should mail them aswell

Very good approach!
Instead of threatening the guy (what doesn't help in most cases anyway) he is now motivated to become one of our customers!
Good for him and good for us!
Well done Victoria!

anonymous · « **Reply #23 on:** May 17, 2008, 14:56 »

Quote from: anonymous on May 17, 2008, 10:06

Quote from: ZymmMan on May 17, 2008, 09:55
well, these french guys used it without even paying for it http://lassiette.blog.lemonde.fr/category/livres/.

...sorry Zymm, can't read french.

Vika, keep us posted. I just sent him an email "...are you ready to face the legal system for using other photographer's works?"
I'll keep you posted if he responds.

in response to the email i sent him:

Mark Anderson photographer to me
show details 1:39 PM (1 hour ago) Reply

They are being removed this evening

Seren · « **Reply #24 on:** May 17, 2008, 15:15 »

Yes, I got the same email after I sent him one!

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