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« on: December 13, 2013, 23:41 »
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Yay contributor you need to opt out now or terminate your account! Here is why:

You can now download almost the entire Yaymicro database (original high resolution images and vectors) for just 99$ - at least if your internet connection is fast enough to pull down 4 million images in one month.

That is correct! If you have not opted out, buyers can now download your entire full resolution portfolio for only 99$, and you will only see a tiny undisclosed fraction of that money. It is almost impossible to grasp that Yaymicro have sunk this deep, but I have read it 4 times so I am starting to believe it now.

Read it here: http://yayimages.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14

And then go deactivate your account or at least opt out!

Yaymicro have totally misjudged their position in the market on this one. They do not have any leverage, as they do not produce nearly enough sales to make hard for anybody to pull out.

The only way Yaymicro can hope for this to work is by keeping the contributors uninformed. With 4 million images, most contributors are still opted in. Please spread the word in your contributor network. This needs to be stopped!

Yay contributors, what do you plan to do about this?

Questions to Yaymicro:

This is such a radical change in the terms and conditions that contributors signed on for and it is clearly highly unethical that you have set the default option to "opt in" for this new product. Will do the only fair thing and set the default to "opt out"?

When were we informed about this?
 
Also, Please explain how this is not screwing over contributors in the worst possible way? And please no nonsense about new markets.

 
« Last Edit: December 13, 2013, 23:43 by somethingpretentious »


« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2013, 00:03 »
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do you know what the ope out url is?

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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2013, 00:35 »
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Not good!

Where can you opt out or terminate your account I cant find it and just sent them an email requesting account termination.

« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2013, 04:46 »
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do you know what the ope out url is?

I think this is it:

YAY Streaming
YAY Images Subscriptions
Country: International
Commission to photographer: 50 %
Price Level: Microstock
Status: Starting Q4 2013

You can opt out in API details. BTW do you have sales on Yay?  My month avarage is 0,15 euros from 3800 files. I thought reaching payout and closing my account, but I don't know how long can it take to earn 30 euros there hahaha

BD

« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2013, 05:07 »
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do you know what the ope out url is?

I think this is it:

YAY Streaming
YAY Images Subscriptions
Country: International
Commission to photographer: 50 %
Price Level: Microstock
Status: Starting Q4 2013

You can opt out in API details. BTW do you have sales on Yay?  My month avarage is 0,15 euros from 3800 files. I thought reaching payout and closing my account, but I don't know how long can it take to earn 30 euros there hahaha

That looks like it might only be for the streaming subscriptions, not the high resolution ones talked about in this thread.

« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2013, 05:41 »
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You can even get 100 ELs for $499 !  >:(

"PRO Subscription  -  $499

Want to take this to a whole new level? Our Pro subscription offers you the benefits of our print subscription (high-res files, no limits to daily downloads, vector images, on-site photo editing and hosting) with a few extra bells and whistles.

This subscription includes extended licensure - perfect for unlimited runs, product packaging, and resale items. You will get up to 100 extended licenses each month with the Pro subscription. We also give our Pro subscribers prioritized customer service so youll never, ever have to wait for answers to your questions."

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2013, 05:43 »
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If they will give free all my photos to their customers but continue to pay may the same as before for each sold photo where is the problem?

Well I sold for $ 2.5 in one year with them :D

Uncle Pete

« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2013, 07:18 »
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Deals like this, and the $4.95 special remind me of a VOIP company, Sunrocket who offered two years for half price, if you paid in advance, and then went out of business. Thank You for the donations. A local alternate news source paper, offered "lifetime" subscriptions. I bought one. Within a year they went under.

What I'm getting at, is deals like this are usually a last ditch effort at making some money and stay in business. Most of the time, they put something in the bank to pay off creditors when the company goes under.

Not saying it's the case with Yay, but if anyone here learns from history, this is usually a sign of desperation to bail water as the ship is inevitably sinking. If not that, then Yay wants to win the race to the bottom and is doing their very best.  :(

« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2013, 08:00 »
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Hi,

Just to clarify - there is no DAILY download limit, but there is a monthly.
http://yayimages.com/support/2-uncategorised/28-how-many-images-do-i-get-in-a-month
It's also not allowed to use our subscriptions to build an internal image bank for a company or a service.

For those wanting to opt-out you can do so at yaymicro.com, API details.

Cheers,

Linda

« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2013, 08:07 »
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Linda I think this needs to be clarified in your advertising as by implication there IS a daily limit = to the monthly limit

ShadySue

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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2013, 08:26 »
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It's also not allowed to use our subscriptions to build an internal image bank for a company or a service.
Cheers,
Linda
Since that is the obvious thing to do with this sort of deal, and not every buyer reads the small print, how can you police that policy and what will you do with offenders?

« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2013, 08:30 »
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So if a customer downloads 1000 high-resolution images for $99, how much will get the contributor?

"Our print subscription is the lowest on the market, just $99 for full access to our images and vector files - and no daily limit on downloads.
As always, all our images have a royalty free license, so its legal to use them in ads, logos, web design, books, newspapers, and movies. The images are high-resolution original files, you get the largest version of the image. Image sizes are high resolution, original files."


... and what about the PRO Subscription with so ridiculous EL prices.

I don't want to support agency who offer such deals and I'm out of there!


« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2013, 09:37 »
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I have 50 images on Yay.  Made $10 in a year.   Seem to me that they have so many partner deals that all its doing is undercutting images we have on other sites.  I just opted out of all the partner deals.

StockPhotosArt.com

« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2013, 10:30 »
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It's also not allowed to use our subscriptions to build an internal image bank for a company or a service.

You are kidding, right? Because that's a great joke!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

If it's not a joke can you tell how you plan to control it?  ;D

Goofy

« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2013, 10:33 »
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Just a partner sale off of Alamy - boy did they take their cut! I will be checking right now on their partners...

« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2013, 10:53 »
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Linda, in a previous thread I asked if I could cash out at Yay and close my account with you. You did not reply. I wonder if you would like to reply this time? Yay are heading in the wrong direction and I no longer want you to have my portfolio.

« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2013, 11:12 »
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You simply can't enforce the rule against companies building internal databases from subscription services.  I've talked to at least three designers who work for mid-sized companies.  They have all built internal databases from subscription downloads.  Two of the designers didn't know it was against the rules and the other one didn't care.


« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2013, 11:46 »
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« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 00:10 by Audi 5000 »

ShadySue

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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2013, 11:58 »
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The sites tend not to make these unenforceable conditions easy for buyers to find.

Thinkstock has a similar condition:
http://www.thinkstockphotos.co.uk/legal/license-information?isource=foot_license_info
  • Images may be downloaded and used during the subscription term.
  • Images incorporated into projects during the subscription term can be used indefinitely in the same project and in other projects.
  • Images downloaded but not used during the subscription term must be deleted when the subscription expires.

IIRC, iS has a similar sort of restriction for their subs, well hidden; but when I click 'learn more' on the subscriptions page, I get a 400 Bad Request error: "Bad Request
Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand." in Firefox and Chrome; in IE nothing happens when I click the link.
SNAFU
« Last Edit: December 14, 2013, 12:01 by ShadySue »

« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2013, 11:59 »
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You simply can't enforce the rule against companies building internal databases from subscription services.  I've talked to at least three designers who work for mid-sized companies.  They have all built internal databases from subscription downloads.  Two of the designers didn't know it was against the rules and the other one didn't care.

No, it's one of those rules they have no chance of enforcing.  They might watch the behavior of the client, and if they download the maximum every day, call them on it, since obviously they can't really use 75 a day, or whatever.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2013, 12:02 »
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You simply can't enforce the rule against companies building internal databases from subscription services.  I've talked to at least three designers who work for mid-sized companies.  They have all built internal databases from subscription downloads.  Two of the designers didn't know it was against the rules and the other one didn't care.

No, it's one of those rules they have no chance of enforcing.  They might watch the behavior of the client, and if they download the maximum every day, call them on it, since obviously they can't really use 75 a day, or whatever.

In some legislations, that might constitute entrapment, enticing them to
buy something they couldn't legally use.

« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2013, 17:30 »
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It's also not allowed to use our subscriptions to build an internal image bank for a company or a service.


Cheers,

Linda

I guess you have people going through offices with a juidical permit, right? How do you even dare to come here with nonsense like that after these news?

« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2013, 18:08 »
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Wow.  Just when you think microstock has finally hit bottom...  this.

What happens when one of these companies finally goes under, creditors are at the door, the owners are scrambling to hang on to their houses - and have millions of photos - and somebody makes a cash offer for the whole archive, on a removable hard drive?

 

« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2013, 18:27 »
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Very bad. Glad Yay lets me opt out. Otherwise closing my account would be the only possible answer to this.

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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2013, 18:47 »
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Opted out but still waiting on an answer from YAY as to how to close account and remove all files?????

« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2013, 19:38 »
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great to see I was opted out of this already.. (in my api, it's already set to "opt out" somehow) but I am very glad it was..

I just don't see how anyone would opt in to this..

that's why it was not advertised, and secretly launched until they got caught by microstockgroup detectives..

« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2013, 21:50 »
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great to see I was opted out of this already.. (in my api, it's already set to "opt out" somehow) but I am very glad it was..

I just don't see how anyone would opt in to this..

that's why it was not advertised, and secretly launched until they got caught by microstockgroup detectives..

We need them!


AYA

« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2013, 22:23 »
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Hi,

Just to clarify - there is no DAILY download limit, but there is a monthly. http://yayimages.com/support/2-uncategorised/28-how-many-images-do-i-get-in-a-month
It's also not allowed to use our subscriptions to build an internal image bank for a company or a service.

For those wanting to opt-out you can do so at yaymicro.com, API details.

Cheers,

Linda


How long does it take for the images to be removed from the site? I unchecked all the sites in the API details but my images still show up in searches.

Thank you!

« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2013, 02:42 »
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great to see I was opted out of this already.. (in my api, it's already set to "opt out" somehow) but I am very glad it was..

I just don't see how anyone would opt in to this..

that's why it was not advertised, and secretly launched until they got caught by microstockgroup detectives..


Well, the detectives could have just searched MSG forum...
http://www.microstockgroup.com/yaymicro/yay-newsletter-information-about-new-product/

« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2013, 05:02 »
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This streaming model of YAY is an outrage, a slap in the face for all contributors! Shame on you, YAY!

« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2013, 09:35 »
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The good thing is that YAY lets us opt out of individual deals - I wish all other sites made it so easy.  I was already opted out of their deals with Alamy and pond5, and now this one.  Thanks to MSG members for bringing this to our attention.

« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2013, 12:55 »
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It isn't that surprising that a small site is trying to carve out a market by whatever means.  The surprising thing is the amount of people that seem to be submitting there. 

« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2013, 13:19 »
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It isn't that surprising that a small site is trying to carve out a market by whatever means.  The surprising thing is the amount of people that seem to be submitting there.
Agree. But there are still small agencies that pay decent prices. I have in a year for example at Zoonar or Phopress more sales than I ever had at YAY. And Phopress for example not even appeared on the poll results list.

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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2013, 15:43 »
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It's also not allowed to use our subscriptions to build an internal image bank for a company or a service.

yeah but this is legally unenforceable outside western countries.

Hobostocker

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« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2013, 15:44 »
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woohoo .. THE END OF MICRO .... ?

it seems the doom & gloom prophecies were right.

« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2013, 05:55 »
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The opt-out is for the site as a whole - yayimages.com. The site updates once every 24 hours, so it can take some hours before your images are removed. If you want to close your account youll have to send an email to
[email protected], as we cant handle these request from a forum post.

As for control with customers, we monitor customer use and if we see anything suspicious well contact the customer. Often the customer will contact us if they need a lot of images, as most people want to be honest and they dont want to break any copyright rules. Its not the people who use stock agencies thats our main concern, its all those people and businesses using Google images as a free images-tool. And thats why weve created our streaming option - we want to give people an easy to use, affordable priced online image solution. We havent looked at other stock image prices when developing our Streaming product, but on other online products such as Spotify, Netflix, Wordpress etc.

We're launching it in January, and this is a brand new site with a new product aimed at online users with our streaming option. You can watch our video to get a short intro to the site and streaming: http://yayimages.com/support/50-yay-images-introduction-video  With streaming we'll also get information about where images are used, and how many views they have. This will help us develop the product and the site further, and we'll also share this information with you (general numbers + your specific numbers). You can read about the different subs on our site, http://yayimages.com It's live, but we haven't launched yet.

If you have any questions you can contact us at [email protected], or directly at [email protected].


Happy Holidays!


Linda

« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2013, 06:35 »
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most people want to be honest and they dont want to break any copyright rules

Most naive thing I've ever read.


Beppe Grillo

« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2013, 08:34 »
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most people want to be honest and they dont want to break any [] rules.

and you are the first to break any [common*] rules  :o

* respect, ethics, fairplay, transparency, honesty, truth etc.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2013, 08:38 by Beppe Grillo »

« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2013, 08:36 »
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« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 00:04 by tickstock »

« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2013, 09:18 »
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You simply can't enforce the rule against companies building internal databases from subscription services.  I've talked to at least three designers who work for mid-sized companies.  They have all built internal databases from subscription downloads.  Two of the designers didn't know it was against the rules and the other one didn't care.

No, it's one of those rules they have no chance of enforcing.  They might watch the behavior of the client, and if they download the maximum every day, call them on it, since obviously they can't really use 75 a day, or whatever.

But again, their ability to enforce is minimal. If you download the max 75 per day, you are doing nothing wrong. Right or wrong, it is allowed in the subscription plan. If the business turns around and tries to penalize the firm downloading the max allowed per day, it will never stand up to legal scrutiny.

« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2013, 10:05 »
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I closed my account immediately after I saw this deal! It was the easiest think to do, YAY sells next to nothing!
I don't need more explanation of the obvious! You are talking just for streaming and nothing for the Print Subscription and PRO Subscription!

"Print Subscription - $99

Youre a newspaper, an ad agency, a marketing start-up and you need double-take-great images. Well, luckily for both of us, we can help!

Our print image subscription gives you the high-res files you need for design jobs and print and access to our smaller-sized streaming images. We even give you the original high-res file so you can modify the image without loosing any quality. You can even print it with 300 DPI!

Like our other subscriptions, you get our on-site photo editing software and filters and free photo hosting. All that uploading and downloading are a thing of the past!

Our print subscription is the lowest on the market, just $99 for full access to our images and vector files - and no daily limit on downloads, just a monthly limit of 1000. Need more images? Contact us and we'll help you. Please note that it's not allowed to use this subscription service to build your own image library, but the images you license are yours to use for as long as you want, also on other projects.

As always, all our images have a royalty free license, so its legal to use them in ads, logos, web design, books, newspapers, and movies. The images are high-resolution original files, you get the largest version of the image. Image sizes are high resolution, original files.
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PRO Subscription  -  $499

Want to take this to a whole new level? Our Pro subscription offers you the benefits of our print subscription (high-res files, no limits to daily downloads, vector images, on-site photo editing and hosting) with a few extra bells and whistles.

This subscription includes extended licensure - perfect for unlimited runs, product packaging, and resale items. You will get up to 100 extended licenses each month with the Pro subscription. We also give our Pro subscribers prioritized customer service so youll never, ever have to wait for answers to your questions."

If somebody downloads the maximum quota, the contributor will get $0,05 for a sale or $2,50 for an EL sale!!!

EmberMike

« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2013, 10:15 »
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Glad I don't sell at Yay. Seems like another company on the wrong side of contributor relations, trying to sneak in some new "features" that give the buyers too much and the artists not nearly enough.

We've got enough problems in this business already. Don't need to support another one.

« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2013, 11:14 »
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... And thats why weve created our streaming option - we want to give people an easy to use, affordable priced online image solution. We havent looked at other stock image prices when developing our Streaming product, but on other online products such as Spotify, Netflix, Wordpress etc.

We're launching it in January, and this is a brand new site with a new product aimed at online users with our streaming option. ...


And see how well services like Spotify are working from the artists' point of view

http://readwrite.com/2013/12/06/streaming-music-competition-pandora-rdio-spotify#awesm=~oq8kIDygYYUGi6

EmberMike

« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2013, 13:26 »
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... And thats why weve created our streaming option - we want to give people an easy to use, affordable priced online image solution. We havent looked at other stock image prices when developing our Streaming product, but on other online products such as Spotify, Netflix, Wordpress etc.

We're launching it in January, and this is a brand new site with a new product aimed at online users with our streaming option. ...


And see how well services like Spotify are working from the artists' point of view

http://readwrite.com/2013/12/06/streaming-music-competition-pandora-rdio-spotify#awesm=~oq8kIDygYYUGi6


Good point. Spotify isn't a good thing to be compared to when you're talking to the people who create the content.

All the more reason it seems like Yay is out of touch and headed in a bad direction.

« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2013, 13:55 »
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« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 00:03 by tickstock »

« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2013, 17:32 »
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Already opted out!

« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2013, 17:57 »
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Lucky for me, I never got into Yay.  If I had, I'd be getting out so fast that I'd be burning rubber in reverse.

"Streaming", and APIs, are the next step after subscriptions - even less accountablity, even less connection between the sale of an image and the payment of a royalty.   The new TOS will be "we do whatever we want with your images, and pay you whatever we feel like."   And it's not just Yay.


« Last Edit: December 16, 2013, 18:01 by stockastic »


« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2013, 18:02 »
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It makes me wonder if this YAY streaming model actually does not violate the Norwegian copyright law, as a control of possible injury is completely excluded.

« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2013, 18:20 »
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... And thats why weve created our streaming option - we want to give people an easy to use, affordable priced online image solution. We havent looked at other stock image prices when developing our Streaming product, but on other online products such as Spotify, Netflix, Wordpress etc.

We're launching it in January, and this is a brand new site with a new product aimed at online users with our streaming option. ...


And see how well services like Spotify are working from the artists' point of view

http://readwrite.com/2013/12/06/streaming-music-competition-pandora-rdio-spotify#awesm=~oq8kIDygYYUGi6


Good point. Spotify isn't a good thing to be compared to when you're talking to the people who create the content.

All the more reason it seems like Yay is out of touch and headed in a bad direction.


Actually Yay is completely in touch with the Spotify's of the world. They make their money by devaluing other people's art. I truly believe we are headed toward the lowest point in human history for art creation, as there will soon no longer be incentive for any artist to create anything. At least we can smile when Spotify loses their business model.

« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2013, 19:09 »
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Actually Yay is completely in touch with the Spotify's of the world. They make their money by devaluing other people's art. I truly believe we are headed toward the lowest point in human history for art creation, as there will soon no longer be incentive for any artist to create anything.

Musicians stared into that same abyss but were able to step back from it.  Maybe photographers can too.

But it looks pretty dark, right now.


« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2013, 20:23 »
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opted out

« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2013, 14:16 »
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I think an O-Day (opt-out day) is long overdue.. and if that doesn't solve the problem a D-Day will..

« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2013, 14:33 »
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It's a bummer that I am not with Yay, because I have enjoyed quitting these terrible agencies this past year.

Don't ya just feel like we are dying here from a million small wounds that these agency owners think they can inflict?

« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2013, 16:38 »
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It's a bummer that I am not with Yay, because I have enjoyed quitting these terrible agencies this past year.

Don't ya just feel like we are dying here from a million small wounds that these agency owners think they can inflict?
...well said....closed account. This is their version of a fire-sale before they go bust.


 

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