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MSG stock awards, a good idea in principle?

Yes
65 (80.2%)
No
9 (11.1%)
Maybe
7 (8.6%)

Total Members Voted: 69

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Microbius

« on: January 15, 2013, 04:18 »
+10
How about we create MSG yearly awards for the stock sites voted for by users of the forum?
Most improved site
Best new tools for contributors
Top curators (for keeping the collection clean)
Best content (for good reviews)
Contributors' choice award
ETA Best Microstock app/tool (third party)
etc.

And maybe some raspberry awards:
Worst upload
Biggest cheapskate
Worst copyright protection
etc.

With little badges for the winners to display (though I doubt stockberry winners will want to display their badge of shame)

This isn't a change the world idea, just a bit of fun that could stimulate discussion and let the sites know what we like about each of them (for those that care)
« Last Edit: January 15, 2013, 05:17 by Microbius »


« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2013, 04:53 »
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Excellent idea! I like it. We might be able to get the results published on a few of the various industry newsletters, diaries and blogs too __ most of them are always looking for a story.

It's worth taking our time to consider how to best undertake such a survey to make the most of the potential publicity. It'll be important to record the votes, etc for example.

I'd suggest Baldricks Trousers as being particularly knowledgeable of what presses the buttons in the media world. I'm sure he could be of great help with it.

« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2013, 04:55 »
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How about we create MSG yearly awards for the stock sites voted for by users of the forum?
Most improved site
Best new tools for contributors
Top curators (for keeping the collection clean)
Best content (for good reviews)
Contributors' choice award
etc.

And maybe some raspberry awards:
Worst upload
Biggest cheapskate
Worst copyright protection
etc.

With little badges for the winners to display (though I doubt stockberry winners will want to display their badge of shame)

This isn't a change the world idea, just a bit of fun that could stimulate discussion and let the sites know what we like about each of them (for those that care)

good idea.
+1

« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2013, 05:06 »
0
Positive!

Microbius

« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2013, 05:08 »
0
Thanks guys. If it is going to work it would definitely need Tyler to organize, set up the voting and so on so it is an official MSG thing.
A lot of work, so I guess I should add a poll to this thread for voting in if the whole thing is a good idea?
If enough people agree maybe Tyler could consider if it is worth his time?

I think it would need it's own section for picking categories, then a thread discussing each one and who should be nominated then the official voting threads with just the polls featuring the nominees
« Last Edit: January 15, 2013, 05:11 by Microbius »

« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2013, 05:10 »
+2
I would be glad to offer my help in creating the badges once the categories are settled on

« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2013, 08:03 »
0
I dont like it.
The agencies are commercial enterprises that hold our leash.
We are the peasants
Should we now vote for which duke has the nicest leash?

Also its a strange way to mix emotions with business.

Microbius

« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2013, 08:08 »
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I thought a lot of industries had internal industry awards like this, just Google "industry awards".

In a way it seems strange that it hasn't been done before.

« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2013, 08:09 »
0
Oh, it has.
Best employee of the month, bonuses and all. Same old stuff.

Microbius

« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2013, 08:13 »
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Oh, it has.
Best employee of the month, bonuses and all. Same old stuff.
Sorry, I meant hasn't been done before in this business.

Thank you for registering your vote. It's good to get an idea of how many people are behind it or not. If a lot of people feel the same way it wont work so best to find out now.

« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2013, 08:14 »
+4
Imagine Tyler handing the Golden Raspberry microstock equivalent Award  to the Istock representatives....  ;D ;D ;D

« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2013, 08:18 »
+4
Imagine Tyler handing the Golden Raspberry microstock equivalent Award  to the Istock representatives....  ;D ;D ;D

OMG. You have revealed the results... :-)

Microbius

« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2013, 08:19 »
0
Yeah I think a SPOILER ALERT would have been good  ;)

« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2013, 08:24 »
0
It's good idea. It may not be insignificant for agencies - if I remember well - last year Shutterstock announced on their blog (or Twitter?? - don't remember exactly) that they are proud that they are best selling agency according to Tyler's MS Survey.

« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2013, 08:26 »
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It's good idea. It may not be insignificant for agencies - if I remember well - last year Shutterstock announced on their blog (or Twitter?? - don't remember exactly) that they are proud that they are best selling agency according to Tyler's MS Survey.

So.... MSG has a word to say... not bad.... not bad at all  ;)

« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2013, 08:34 »
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It's good idea. It may not be insignificant for agencies - if I remember well - last year Shutterstock announced on their blog (or Twitter?? - don't remember exactly) that they are proud that they are best selling agency according to Tyler's MS Survey.


So.... MSG has a word to say... not bad.... not bad at all  ;)


http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/microstock-survey

RacePhoto

« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2013, 15:21 »
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Why not that's how they elected the President and the people in the US. By popularity, free hand outs, unfulfilled promises, not by responsibility or how they run the government.  ::)

Yes, I agree with you Jens, it's just another way to vent at agencies, even if it's most popular, the results are, punish the ones people don't like. Kind of like the harts and arrows here. Don't give hearts to people you don't like, even if they write something useful and good. Do for friends, even if it's complete tripe. And drop down arrows on people, just because of personality disagreements, not what's in their messages.

OK lets have a popularity contest for agencies. That's what it is. As long as someone doesn't try to pass it off as having something to do with business.



I dont like it.
The agencies are commercial enterprises that hold our leash.
We are the peasants
Should we now vote for which duke has the nicest leash?

Also its a strange way to mix emotions with business.


Microbius

« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2013, 15:59 »
+1
 

This isn't a change the world idea, just a bit of fun that could stimulate discussion and let the sites know what we like about each of them (for those that care)

« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2013, 16:07 »
0
Heck Ya!   This is a great idea!  But I believe it would have to be run by verified voters somehow.  I mean, SS couldn't come in and vote 1000 times for themselves.

OMG, esp since Istock loves their little badges  ;)

When I make business cards for real estate agents they always want them updated with their sales awards each year.  They make platinum or gold or whatever - if an agency gets over a 90% approval rating maybe they could be platinum etc.  Maybe we could give them all badges of a certain colour if they pass or exceed requirements!

sc

« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2013, 16:14 »
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Had to vote NO.
I hate this time of year with all the Awards Shows.
But I might be able to stomach it if there were no speeches.
And the presenters were actually funny.

« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2013, 16:19 »
+2
It could be a good idea, but I think we need to define what the value proposition is or the desired outcome. Would it be to provide "semi credible" feedback on critical to quality aspects of the business through vote ranking, or more fun stuff like IStock has the best forums in the industry. For me the MSG survey is a well respected tool that WE contributors like and I suspect that some peeps at agencies find interesting. My question is how do we bring value to stock awards?

If its just for laughs that's a different story, but taking this to a level that provides a snapshot of company perception might prove to be a very useful tool.

Just my 1 cent
« Last Edit: January 15, 2013, 16:21 by Mantis »

« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2013, 17:27 »
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its a great idea M ;D

« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2013, 17:34 »
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I like the idea but I would almost like to see it more like a rating that constantly changes as the agencies come up with "ideas". I'm not sure an annual rating is current enough. If it worked like the poll on the left but you could change your vote at any given time and was for contributor satisfaction issues like - review, service, upload, overall satisfaction etc. I would find that information very interesting and I think the agencies would be very keen on keeping a good rating in some of these categories.

« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2013, 17:59 »
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I like the idea but I would almost like to see it more like a rating that constantly changes as the agencies come up with "ideas". I'm not sure an annual rating is current enough. If it worked like the poll on the left but you could change your vote at any given time and was for contributor satisfaction issues like - review, service, upload, overall satisfaction etc. I would find that information very interesting and I think the agencies would be very keen on keeping a good rating in some of these categories.
There used to be monthly voting for upload speed, reviews, general likability of a site etc. but only a handful of people (under 10) voted each month so I removed it.  The advantage of a yearly 'award' vote would be that it would attract more voters and be a bigger deal than a monthly continual 'rank'

« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2013, 18:23 »
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Thanks for the info. Isn't apathy a wonderful thing? No wonder the agencies can get away with just about anything. Either way I think it is a good idea and if yearly is what needs to be done then that should be the solution

« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2013, 18:28 »
0
I'll be in my corner, making photos

« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2013, 18:34 »
0
I don't really see the point. Don't we already know what is good and bad with most sites? And, anything that most people don't know about will never get enough votes to be statistically significant.


« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2013, 18:46 »
+1
I don't really see the point. Don't we already know what is good and bad with most sites? And, anything that most people don't know about will never get enough votes to be statistically significant.

I believe it would make a great idea to show the "world" what agencies are really doing and their behavior/attitudes/plans etc etc not only in terms of contributors but even more in terms of buyers, a minimalist website that we would promote in our websites/signatures/emails etc

yes this forum is just a small universe but if we think that way we need to drop the monthly earnings poll too

« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2013, 19:03 »
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Well , i dont have to think a lot to find the worse upload.....LOL

Microbius

« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2013, 03:19 »
+2
Would some of the people against be swayed if it was only positive awards?

Most official industry awards would only be for the good stuff, then there's non official community raspberry type ones.

So the official MSG awards voted on could all be for the best XXX

Then if the community here wanted to do an "alternative" set of awards just for fun (e.g. biggest cheapskate) that can come down the line.

I am sure we can get some of the sites to display our badges with pride, like manufacturers do with product awards ("MSG stock site of the year 2013")

Microbius

« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2013, 03:22 »
+1
I don't really see the point. Don't we already know what is good and bad with most sites? And, anything that most people don't know about will never get enough votes to be statistically significant.

If these become the official industry awards for micro sites will start sending people here to vote come polling time.

A side benefit could be a lot more contributors finding out about the forum, therefore becoming more informed about what is going on with micro in general and the alternatives out there. It could be another small catalyst to change.

« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2013, 12:58 »
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I don't really see the point. Don't we already know what is good and bad with most sites? And, anything that most people don't know about will never get enough votes to be statistically significant.

If these become the official industry awards for micro sites will start sending people here to vote come polling time.

A side benefit could be a lot more contributors finding out about the forum, therefore becoming more informed about what is going on with micro in general and the alternatives out there. It could be another small catalyst to change.

I guess it's just me, but I think most of these companies suck. So, I shudder at the thought of them actually receiving positive awards for that.

« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2013, 14:18 »
+2
Would some of the people against be swayed if it was only positive awards?

Most official industry awards would only be for the good stuff, then there's non official community raspberry type ones.

So the official MSG awards voted on could all be for the best XXX

Then if the community here wanted to do an "alternative" set of awards just for fun (e.g. biggest cheapskate) that can come down the line.

I am sure we can get some of the sites to display our badges with pride, like manufacturers do with product awards ("MSG stock site of the year 2013")

Yes, I think that's a good idea.  I'd rather foster postive ideas / awards as apposed to raspberry awards as anything 'official' from the site.  If members wanted to run a casual 'worst' vote then that could be something different as you suggested.

CD123

« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2013, 15:44 »
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It might help every one if we try and focus (as least once a year) on the good that was done at some sites. I think with everything happening lately we tend to look past the sites who has been at least stable over the past year, or have improved their site's functionality, or who still have friendly staff, etc.

Might lighten our spirits as well to focus a bit on the positives that was there and might even encourage other agency sites to follow suite of the winners.

These guys are in competition with each other and will love to place an award like this on their main page. It will show contributors who are not member of MSG also that the site has merit. So I am sure the agencies will love the opportunity to get such an award.

RacePhoto

« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2013, 16:02 »
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Had to vote NO.
I hate this time of year with all the Awards Shows.
But I might be able to stomach it if there were no speeches.
And the presenters were actually funny.

Very Good point, I agree.

ps And do it, for the entertainment. I'm not against it, just saying, lets not take the results too seriously?

CD123

« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2013, 16:09 »
+1
Had to vote NO.
I hate this time of year with all the Awards Shows.
But I might be able to stomach it if there were no speeches.
And the presenters were actually funny.

Very Good point, I agree.

ps And do it, for the entertainment. I'm not against it, just saying, lets not take the results too seriously?

If we do not take it seriously, no one will. Then I do not see the point of doing it at all.

At this stage we feel constantly that our negative commentaries are not taken seriously enough. Who knows, maybe our positive ones have better effect.

Microbius

« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2013, 02:34 »
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Would some of the people against be swayed if it was only positive awards?

Most official industry awards would only be for the good stuff, then there's non official community raspberry type ones.

So the official MSG awards voted on could all be for the best XXX

Then if the community here wanted to do an "alternative" set of awards just for fun (e.g. biggest cheapskate) that can come down the line.

I am sure we can get some of the sites to display our badges with pride, like manufacturers do with product awards ("MSG stock site of the year 2013")

Yes, I think that's a good idea.  I'd rather foster postive ideas / awards as apposed to raspberry awards as anything 'official' from the site.  If members wanted to run a casual 'worst' vote then that could be something different as you suggested.
+1 I have been swayed to this thinking, it will get rid of any disincentive for the sites to campaign for their users to come and vote.


« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2013, 04:56 »
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What should they be called?  I've started a thread talking about it
http://www.microstockgroup.com/site-related/yearly-stock-awards-what-should-they-be-called/

« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2013, 04:57 »
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Would some of the people against be swayed if it was only positive awards?

Most official industry awards would only be for the good stuff, then there's non official community raspberry type ones.

So the official MSG awards voted on could all be for the best XXX

Then if the community here wanted to do an "alternative" set of awards just for fun (e.g. biggest cheapskate) that can come down the line.

I am sure we can get some of the sites to display our badges with pride, like manufacturers do with product awards ("MSG stock site of the year 2013")

Yes, I think that's a good idea.  I'd rather foster postive ideas / awards as apposed to raspberry awards as anything 'official' from the site.  If members wanted to run a casual 'worst' vote then that could be something different as you suggested.
+1 I have been swayed to this thinking, it will get rid of any disincentive for the sites to campaign for their users to come and vote.

Any suggestions for categories?  Perhaps that needs it's own thread as well?

Les

« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2013, 21:49 »
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I don't really see the point. Don't we already know what is good and bad with most sites? And, anything that most people don't know about will never get enough votes to be statistically significant.

If these become the official industry awards for micro sites will start sending people here to vote come polling time.

A side benefit could be a lot more contributors finding out about the forum, therefore becoming more informed about what is going on with micro in general and the alternatives out there. It could be another small catalyst to change.

I guess it's just me, but I think most of these companies suck. So, I shudder at the thought of them actually receiving positive awards for that.
Exactly!
Utmost caution should be exercised in wording the poll questions.
"Which is better" can be in the microstock world often stated more appropriately as "which is less evil".

« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2013, 21:51 »
+1
The awards don't have to be positive.  I would think if they get a white or a bronze everyone will see there is a lot of room for improvement.

« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2013, 00:17 »
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Interesting idea.

CD123

« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2013, 00:40 »
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Lot of thing discussed here was also addressed in this thread:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/site-related/yearly-stock-awards-what-should-they-be-called/msg292456/#msg292456

I do not agree that there should be negative categories. Enough negativity in the industry as it is. Even your winners of the positive categories will have aspects which would need improvement and you can not bash one site for something, but then not mention the same problem in another.

Here was my suggestion from that thread:

Seeing that they are our agents (although many do not act that way), but are not the agents of the buyers, we can perhaps indicate that the awards are based on our evaluation of who are good agents (representatives) by simply calling the awards:

THE MICROSTOCK AGENCY OF THE YEAR AWARDS
(MSA AWARDS)

3 levels - Gold / Silver and Bronze (3 positions most recognizable internationally)
Points awarded on all the categories and tallied up to end up with only the top 3, else it gets to complicated and difficult to manage. It also increases the value to the Agencies if there are only 3.

How does that sound?
« Last Edit: February 05, 2013, 00:42 by CD123 »

« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2013, 07:20 »
+3
I was starting to work on the results for the 2012 microstock survey and wondered if it would be just as easy to bake these awards into that survey.  I didn't ask the question this year but I could have easily asked something like "all things considered which is your favorite site to work with" .. and award the 'people's choice award' to that site.. and then give the best income award to the agency that people voted for etc.

The survey already gets quite a few responses and it may be the easiest way to gather the most information.

Microbius

« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2013, 08:06 »
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Sounds like a good idea, at least for the first one to see how it goes


 

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