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Microstock Photography Forum - General => General Stock Discussion => Topic started by: Tryingmybest on June 14, 2012, 21:16
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:-\ http://yotola.com/ (http://yotola.com/)
They promise to help you earn money for the images rejected on other sites. Seems like a hard sell and too good to be true. Also, if it works, it seems like it will ruin the market.
What do you think?
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I got this email too, today. I went to the site and pretty much immediately left. I can't say what the company is all about, but the look and feel of the site turned me off.
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I got this email too, today. I went to the site and pretty much immediately left. I can't say what the company is all about, but the look and feel of the site turned me off.
Yep. Looks like a dangerous neighborhood. Thanks for confirming my smell test, Cory. ;D
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I don't believe this is a scam. I foresaw this concept a few years ago so the pitch is no surprise. The question is will it be worthwhile to upload. The income projections were vague to say the least but I image the payment to photographers will be in the .01 to .02 per download. No idea what the payout amount will be.
I'm no longer uploading to any of my current sites, mainly due to spending my computer time on my more artistic interests. But I'd love to keep track of Yotola to see what happens.
Not sure what we'll call this new concept. Maxi-Mini Microstock?
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I don't believe this is a scam. I foresaw this concept a few years ago so the pitch is no surprise. The question is will it be worthwhile to upload. The income projections were vague to say the least but I image the payment to photographers will be in the .01 to .02 per download. No idea what the payout amount will be.
I'm no longer uploading to any of my current sites, mainly due to spending my computer time on my more artistic interests. But I'd love to keep track of Yotola to see what happens.
Not sure what we'll call this new concept. Maxi-Mini Microstock?
Maybe so. I think "wait and see" would be the best thing to do at this point. 8)
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this is just great!
1 - they tell you that nobody is buying pictures, they are getting them on google, free sites or even cleaning watermark
2 - the demand on pictures is HUGE
3 - buyer will get it for free but they will pay you 1 cent (money from ads)
why are we going to "sell" our work for 1 cent if we can get a ton more ::)
I am sure this won´t go anywhere, perhaps only snappers shooting cats and dogs on PS cameras
Now you can earn money from your rejected and non-downloaded images on other microstock sites which is probably 2/3 of your images.
who . is doing stock if they get 67% of their pics rejected??
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Site looks like "Make your dreams come true: I've lose 60 kg in 5 days"
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this is just great!
1 - they tell you that nobody is buying pictures, they are getting them on google, free sites or even cleaning watermark
2 - the demand on pictures is HUGE
3 - buyer will get it for free but they will pay you 1 cent (money from ads)
why are we going to "sell" our work for 1 cent if we can get a ton more ::)
I am sure this won´t go anywhere, perhaps only snappers shooting cats and dogs on PS cameras
Now you can earn money from your rejected and non-downloaded images on other microstock sites which is probably 2/3 of your images.
who . is doing stock if they get 67% of their pics rejected??
No, they say, "over two thirds of your images are either rejected or never downloaded". We don't know where they get this figure from though.
There's no contact form, email address or number on their site. To sign up they ask for your phone number. Both of these things would be big warning signs to the average person.
They list free photo sites, they show ways of stealing images (for people who don't already know). It's pretty transparent that these guys don't give a f*ck about the artists, so they may end up doing very well.
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It's kinda' funny how people submitting to microstock sites see a scam warning here so "stay away", while it's pretty much the same stuff, just the pricepoint is zero instead of almost zero. If 'empty your hard drive here and make money on those shots just sitting around' was cool, what's the problem with this? It's basically the same message.
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:)
Technical Contact
Fundacion Private Whois
Domain Administrator
Email:
Attn: yotola.com
Aptds. 0850-00056
Zona 15 Panama
Panama
Tel: +507.65995877
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Technical Contact
Fundacion Private Whois
Domain Administrator
Email:
Attn: yotola.com
Aptds. 0850-00056
Zona 15 Panama
Panama
Tel: +507.65995877
Its Fundacion Private Whois domain, meaning the whois is wrong. I just did a google search, the owners registered the domain by http://www.internetbs.net/ (http://www.internetbs.net/)
That address means nothing.
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They lost me at
"How this is possible?"
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They lost me at
"How this is possible?"
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;D ;D ;D
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Technical Contact
Fundacion Private Whois
Domain Administrator
Email:
Attn: yotola.com
Aptds. 0850-00056
Zona 15 Panama
Panama
Tel: +507.65995877
Its Fundacion Private Whois domain, meaning the whois is wrong. I just did a google search, the owners registered the domain by [url]http://www.internetbs.net/[/url] ([url]http://www.internetbs.net/[/url])
That address means nothing.
Yikes. "internet...bs..." in the domain registrar name. That is tripped out! :D
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this is just great!
1 - they tell you that nobody is buying pictures, they are getting them on google, free sites or even cleaning watermark
2 - the demand on pictures is HUGE
3 - buyer will get it for free but they will pay you 1 cent (money from ads)
why are we going to "sell" our work for 1 cent if we can get a ton more ::)
I am sure this won´t go anywhere, perhaps only snappers shooting cats and dogs on PS cameras
Now you can earn money from your rejected and non-downloaded images on other microstock sites which is probably 2/3 of your images.
who . is doing stock if they get 67% of their pics rejected??
No, they say, "over two thirds of your images are either rejected or never downloaded". We don't know where they get this figure from though.
There's no contact form, email address or number on their site. To sign up they ask for your phone number. Both of these things would be big warning signs to the average person.
They list free photo sites, they show ways of stealing images (for people who don't already know). It's pretty transparent that these guys don't give a f*ck about the artists, so they may end up doing very well.
Yeah, that rejection thing is ridiculous. Most of my images sell and my rejections are near zero—with the exception of iStuck. I think the same for most of you out here too. But iStuck is at the end of their dominance anyway. So their rejections mean nothing to me.
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Yikes. "internet...bs..." in the domain registrar name. That is tripped out! :D
I love internet.bs - Super fast DNS setup. Been with them for a few years now, can't complain.
They offer free privacy whois with the domain purchase - awesome.
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this is just great!
1 - they tell you that nobody is buying pictures, they are getting them on google, free sites or even cleaning watermark
2 - the demand on pictures is HUGE
3 - buyer will get it for free but they will pay you 1 cent (money from ads)
why are we going to "sell" our work for 1 cent if we can get a ton more ::)
I am sure this won´t go anywhere, perhaps only snappers shooting cats and dogs on PS cameras
Now you can earn money from your rejected and non-downloaded images on other microstock sites which is probably 2/3 of your images.
who . is doing stock if they get 67% of their pics rejected??
LOL. I must be a snob. I didn't even make it to the sales pitch. I saw the site, something started auto-playing, I was immediately annoyed and closed the window. Sounds like I didn't miss much though.
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:-\ [url]http://yotola.com/[/url] ([url]http://yotola.com/[/url])
They promise to help you earn money for the images rejected on other sites. Seems like a hard sell and too good to be true. Also, if it works, it seems like it will ruin the market.
What do you think?
Thanks for introducing us and we are not dangerous :)
I got this email too, today. I went to the site and pretty much immediately left. I can't say what the company is all about, but the look and feel of the site turned me off.
Thanks for the feedback and for taking time to check out our site. We appreciate your thoughts. You can contact us at team_yotola on Skype if you have any questions. We really liked your images.
I don't believe this is a scam. I foresaw this concept a few years ago so the pitch is no surprise. The question is will it be worthwhile to upload. The income projections were vague to say the least but I image the payment to photographers will be in the .01 to .02 per download. No idea what the payout amount will be.
I'm no longer uploading to any of my current sites, mainly due to spending my computer time on my more artistic interests. But I'd love to keep track of Yotola to see what happens.
Not sure what we'll call this new concept. Maxi-Mini Microstock?
Thanks for posting. At Yotola, we know that time is valuable for you, so we are going to assist some artists to upload their images.
this is just great!
1 - they tell you that nobody is buying pictures, they are getting them on google, free sites or even cleaning watermark
2 - the demand on pictures is HUGE
3 - buyer will get it for free but they will pay you 1 cent (money from ads)
why are we going to "sell" our work for 1 cent if we can get a ton more ::)
I am sure this won´t go anywhere, perhaps only snappers shooting cats and dogs on PS cameras
Now you can earn money from your rejected and non-downloaded images on other microstock sites which is probably 2/3 of your images.
who . is doing stock if they get 67% of their pics rejected??
many contributors are getting images rejected (especially the guys who are not as established). Also it is clear that only a small portion of a contributors portfolio makes the bulk of the money. We are here to help contributors maximise their return on these non-downloaded images as well.
Site looks like "Make your dreams come true: I've lose 60 kg in 5 days"
thanks for your feedback – we will work on the site layout.
this is just great!
1 - they tell you that nobody is buying pictures, they are getting them on google, free sites or even cleaning watermark
2 - the demand on pictures is HUGE
3 - buyer will get it for free but they will pay you 1 cent (money from ads)
why are we going to "sell" our work for 1 cent if we can get a ton more ::)
I am sure this won´t go anywhere, perhaps only snappers shooting cats and dogs on PS cameras
Now you can earn money from your rejected and non-downloaded images on other microstock sites which is probably 2/3 of your images.
who . is doing stock if they get 67% of their pics rejected??
No, they say, "over two thirds of your images are either rejected or never downloaded". We don't know where they get this figure from though.
There's no contact form, email address or number on their site. To sign up they ask for your phone number. Both of these things would be big warning signs to the average person.
They list free photo sites, they show ways of stealing images (for people who don't already know). It's pretty transparent that these guys don't give a f*ck about the artists, so they may end up doing very well.
More than happy to speak to you on skype. You can contact us at team_yotola
It's kinda' funny how people submitting to microstock sites see a scam warning here so "stay away", while it's pretty much the same stuff, just the pricepoint is zero instead of almost zero. If 'empty your hard drive here and make money on those shots just sitting around' was cool, what's the problem with this? It's basically the same message.
We appreciate your feedback and I think you hit the nail on the head.
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Currently, we are polishing off site development and then plan to have a big launch in the coming weeks. Unlike other stock photo sites, we want to take it slow and create a win-win situation for everyone.
Yotola may not work for everyone as some people maybe making good money on every single image they produce. However, the response we have got on our site has been extremely positive and we already have some high quality photographers who are ready to contribute.
Our site now has a live chat with some members of our team waiting to answer any specific questions you may have on Yotola.
Thank you,
Yotola
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Thanks for the feedback and for taking time to check out our site. We appreciate your thoughts. You can contact us at team_yotola on Skype if you have any questions. We really liked your images.
Thanks. I went back and watched the video. Interesting concept, but it's not what I'm looking for right now.
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I still don't think this is a scam. The different method is indeed different and worthy of keeping tabs on, mostly for entertainment value. Since the information they are giving is so sketchy I'd avoid wasting any more time on them.
I am also puzzled with their responses to some of the comments posted here. They obviously have little experience in this market and have a curiously low opinion of those who do this for a living.
Their pitches have more appeal to beginners who have been rejected as contributors and/or are experiencing high image rejection rates. How else can you explain the wildly preposterous comparisons of the best selling microstock images with what a contributor to Yotola might expect?
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Currently, we are polishing off site development and then plan to have a big launch in the coming weeks. Unlike other stock photo sites, we want to take it slow and create a win-win situation for everyone.
Yotola may not work for everyone as some people maybe making good money on every single image they produce. However, the response we have got on our site has been extremely positive and we already have some high quality photographers who are ready to contribute.
Our site now has a live chat with some members of our team waiting to answer any specific questions you may have on Yotola.
Thank you,
Yotola
So where are you and your team located? The voice on the video sounds like a Chicago accent. Are these advertisers selling family-friendly products and services? I see a lot of "free" stuff websites actually get their revenue from adult entertainment. Do you have any experience as an artist or business for that matter? Have any of the "high quality photographers" begun uploading yet?
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Still wondering how you got my personal phone number just to invite me. Not wise, and clearly you're starting with the wrong foot. But that's a first, have to admit it. ???
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Still wondering how you got my personal phone number just to invite me. Not wise, and clearly you're starting with the wrong foot. But that's a first, have to admit it. ???
how hard can it be? do you share your phone number in FB or G+? only need to be your "friend" ;D
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Nope.
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They probably got it the same way that they got mine... My domain registrations aren't private.
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Currently, we are polishing off site development and then plan to have a big launch in the coming weeks. Unlike other stock photo sites, we want to take it slow and create a win-win situation for everyone.
Yotola may not work for everyone as some people maybe making good money on every single image they produce. However, the response we have got on our site has been extremely positive and we already have some high quality photographers who are ready to contribute.
Our site now has a live chat with some members of our team waiting to answer any specific questions you may have on Yotola.
Thank you,
Yotola
So where are you and your team located? The voice on the video sounds like a Chicago accent. Are these advertisers selling family-friendly products and services? I see a lot of "free" stuff websites actually get their revenue from adult entertainment. Do you have any experience as an artist or business for that matter? Have any of the "high quality photographers" begun uploading yet?
Our main team is based in London. The voice was done by a team colleague in the US (and yes that is a Chicago accent :)).
Our advertisers will be all family-friendly products and services – I can guarantee you that.
Our team and investors are composed of people with backgrounds in stock photography and marketing. We already have high quality photographers on board and they will begin uploading as soon as we are done polishing off site development (which is not long now)
Still wondering how you got my personal phone number just to invite me. Not wise, and clearly you're starting with the wrong foot. But that's a first, have to admit it. ???
Hi Rui, we found your phone number in the registrar details of your stock photography website, which was publicly available. We felt it was better to call you in person rather than sending an email. Apologise if there was any inconvenience. As we are starting up we wanted to add that personal touch to our contributors.
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Hi Rui, we found your phone number in the registrar details of your stock photography website, which was publicly available. We felt it was better to call you in person rather than sending an email. Apologise if there was any inconvenience. As we are starting up we wanted to add that personal touch to our contributors.
what is the point of inviting an exclusive contributor? (not to mention an admin/reviewer of DT)
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Currently, we are polishing off site development and then plan to have a big launch in the coming weeks. Unlike other stock photo sites, we want to take it slow and create a win-win situation for everyone.
Yotola may not work for everyone as some people maybe making good money on every single image they produce. However, the response we have got on our site has been extremely positive and we already have some high quality photographers who are ready to contribute.
Our site now has a live chat with some members of our team waiting to answer any specific questions you may have on Yotola.
Thank you,
Yotola
They must be racking up quite a bill because they called me too. Overseas to USA. Unfortunately for them I am not interested in that kind of model.
So where are you and your team located? The voice on the video sounds like a Chicago accent. Are these advertisers selling family-friendly products and services? I see a lot of "free" stuff websites actually get their revenue from adult entertainment. Do you have any experience as an artist or business for that matter? Have any of the "high quality photographers" begun uploading yet?
Our main team is based in London. The voice was done by a team colleague in the US (and yes that is a Chicago accent :)).
Our advertisers will be all family-friendly products and services – I can guarantee you that.
Our team and investors are composed of people with backgrounds in stock photography and marketing. We already have high quality photographers on board and they will begin uploading as soon as we are done polishing off site development (which is not long now)
Still wondering how you got my personal phone number just to invite me. Not wise, and clearly you're starting with the wrong foot. But that's a first, have to admit it. ???
Hi Rui, we found your phone number in the registrar details of your stock photography website, which was publicly available. We felt it was better to call you in person rather than sending an email. Apologise if there was any inconvenience. As we are starting up we wanted to add that personal touch to our contributors.
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They probably got it the same way that they got mine... My domain registrations aren't private.
It bothers me that Yotola has a private domain registration yet they use public domain registrations for sales calls. If you don't like folks doing sales calls to you, then don't do them yourself.
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Still wondering how you got my personal phone number just to invite me. Not wise, and clearly you're starting with the wrong foot. But that's a first, have to admit it. ???
Know of any DT staff that has resigned or has been fired recently?
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Still wondering how you got my personal phone number just to invite me. Not wise, and clearly you're starting with the wrong foot. But that's a first, have to admit it. ???
Hi Rui, we found your phone number in the registrar details of your stock photography website, which was publicly available. We felt it was better to call you in person rather than sending an email. Apologise if there was any inconvenience. As we are starting up we wanted to add that personal touch to our contributors.
I see. I really have to turn it private just in case any other "bright" marketeers think that "administrative/technical contacts" on public registrar details are available for other matters than abusive use. And yes, that's inconvenient. As a final note, from my own experience a marketing manager for about 15 years or so, I would suggest that you rethink your marketing "personal touch". Tip: international phone calls must be cheap over there. If not, in marketing terms they normally fall under avoidable costs. Good luck, though.
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Obviously I can't whether it is a scam or not.. the business idea certainly doesn't have to be but the way the domain and website are set up sure makes me scratch my head and run the other direction.
If there isn't something to hide, why the hidden contact details and why the hard sell squeeze page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeeze_page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeeze_page)
perhaps I'm paranoid but when I see a squeeze page I see a scam / spam
The concept isn't exactly new. There are already revenue sharing free stock photo sites like freerangestock (http://freerangestock.com/revenue_sharing.php)and stockvault (http://www.stockvault.net/)
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Are ppl in this forum stuck in some time vortex? :o Monetizing traffic is hardly a new model. Hey, do you have to pay to use forum f.e.?
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If this is such a good idea (giving free files an monetize through ads) I wonder why the free downloads leader, sxc. hu (the one used as example in the video, with these so many downloads underlined) is not brimming with ads. Actually, it just have istock ads, and, even when it was not owned by getty, and getting tens of thousands of downloads publicity and banners were very scarce (and all related to micro RF sites). When their owners wanted to monetize, what they did was to create a regular microstock site, as we all now. In my opinion, this is the kind of plan that can give some money to the owners and near to nil to the photographers. Don't fall in this trap.
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If this is such a good idea (giving free files an monetize through ads) I wonder why the free downloads leader, sxc. hu (the one used as example in the video, with these so many downloads underlined) is not brimming with ads. Actually, it just have istock ads, and, even when it was not owned by getty, and getting tens of thousands of downloads publicity and banners were very scarce (and all related to micro RF sites). When their owners wanted to monetize, what they did was to create a regular microstock site, as we all now. In my opinion, this is the kind of plan that can give some money to the owners and near to nil to the photographers. Don't fall in this trap.
From the perspective of someone that believes that not everyone wants something for nothing, this business model takes a cynical view of people. That is, this model presumes no one wants to pay for anything. They want to steal and get away with it—or at least feel that it is justified. I seriously know that many—not all—folks want to pay something for high quality work. They understand the legal and moral ramifications of "free" and they don't want to be bothered with wasting time debating with their conscience—or a cease-and-desist email from an enraged artist/lawyer.
Yes I'm an idealist. Yes, loop, it smells like a trap.
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As someone that used to contribute regularly to sxc.hu (I've since removed most of my portfolio there) way back before I ever heard of micro-stock, I can tell you that there used to be ads from other businesses.
Only after they (and StockXpert) were purchased did the ads belong solely to iStock.
Neither an argument for or against Yotola, just my recollections.
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I wa there too. I dind't say that there were no ads, I said they were very scarce, and, by the way, just from ms sites or fron small unknow companies, nothing that suggested good business. Look at morguefile. com for a today's example.
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I wa there too. I dind't say that there were no ads, I said they were very scarce, and, by the way, just from ms sites or fron small unknow companies, nothing that suggested good business. Look at morguefile. com for a today's example.
We used to have ads for sxc.hu's sister microstock site, Stockxpert, but we tried to make sure they don't ruin the user experience. Getty later replaced them with Istock ads in a similar fashion.
Everything written with big red letters is a scam. No exceptions. There's no easy money, there are no wonder pills, you're not going to make $9999 per day with Forex, there's no trick to beat the casino and there's no surefire way to pick up women. If this thing is genuine, they are not doing a really good job making it credible... :)
Btw the guy sounds exactly like Penn Jillette! :))
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Great observations, Peter! I don't think anyone's mentioned this: Why do they say "Space is limited"?? You'd think with a concept like theirs that they (and their advertisers) would want a regular and huge influx of photos since that should lead to more hits/searches and thus more traffic. Why give the impression of "a limited time only"?
Answer: Scam-Marketing-101-high-pressure-sales-technique to get as many gullible contributors in as quickly as possible.
Also, shouldn't a photography website have . . . . photos?? The only images I saw were from IS and SXC.
Stay far far away.
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With regards to the site, as mentioned on the video, the revenue will be from advertising and subscription.
If you have any specific questions, we have live support on the site, or you can contact us on skype.
We look forward to hearing from you.
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With regards to the site, as mentioned on the video, the revenue will be from advertising and subscription.
If you have any specific questions, we have live support on the site, or you can contact us on skype.
We look forward to hearing from you. :)
are you talking about the one that doesn´t answer you??
"did Mark Hall help you?"
no he haven´t answered me!
"shall we punish him?"
yes!
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That video is one of the biggest loads of nonsense I've seen. I wish I had the time to make fun of it piece by piece.
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That video is one of the biggest loads of nonsense I've seen. I wish I had the time to make fun of it piece by piece.
ahahahahhahah I am available to help you ;D
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That video is one of the biggest loads of nonsense I've seen. I wish I had the time to make fun of it piece by piece.
I think the video is effectively made to cater to the level of photographers who would participate.
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guys had a long talk with Yotola and it ain´t a scam, they are open to hear everybody concerns, go ahead if you have any doubts or other, that said it doesn´t mean I will contribute but needed to say they aren't dangerous, at least I haven´t got that idea, kind and communicate actually! :D
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it may not be a scam - but why are they not transparent about how much income will be made per view/clickthrough or whatever, what will the payout level be?
every other legit ms site - crap or not- states exactly what revenue is per dl and what the payout level is?
but frankly, i value even my crap images greater than a penny or two...
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Well, of course they're dangerous, trying to put another nail in the 'hey, everything on the net should be free!!!' coffin. We did free. We started at free, and pennies. 'Free' tells people they need not worry about misusing the content or model likeness. 'Free' says 'this image has zero value'. And more. There's plenty dangerous here.
And it's also a sub site, likely paying less than anyone out there. Hell $299 for 750 at SS is basically free. You want to encourage people to leave SS for the site that bills itself as the home of 'rejects and crap work'?
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Well, of course they're dangerous, trying to put another nail in the 'hey, everything on the net should be free!!!' coffin. We did free. We started at free, and pennies. 'Free' tells people they need not worry about misusing the content or model likeness. 'Free' says 'this image has zero value'. And more. There's plenty dangerous here.
And it's also a sub site, likely paying less than anyone out there. Hell $299 for 750 at SS is basically free. You want to encourage people to leave SS for the site that bills itself as the home of 'rejects and crap work'?
I haven´t said the opposite, I dont appreciate the FREE too, I told them that along with my opinion about how it can damage stock agencies and our income, I haven´t told them that I would jump into their ship, I was only getting to know their business model and they seem pretty open and honest, thats said I repeat that I don't enjoy their concept of free, will see when it is online
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Well, they called me, I did not answer. Saw the country code, pretty much knew it was them after hearing others claim something similar. Very cheesy website. The vid is in clear English but the site registration is suspect. Not my cup of pee (I mean tea) right now.
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Why is their 'video' just some bloke reading out some slides as they're being shown, like a lazy Powerpoint presenter? Do they think we can't read? (OK, I only waited for two slides being read before exiting.)
That is one amateur looking site!
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on principle I don't get involved with any who:
a) uses bold text randomly
b) underlines words in sentences
c) uses fluro yellow/red on their site
d) use exclamation points
and most importantly ;D
e) highlights text in yellow
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No thanks.
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I was going to let Yotola save face, but since they couldn't handle the heat, I'm going to share with you something: Yes, all of you have been deceived and you are being manipulated.
I want to tell you that I did not change the subject line. A person from Yotola actually sent me a direct message, requesting that I change it. I still have the message to prove it! The reason was they are new and my "Yotola (scam)" subject line was showing up in the search engines. Yep, that's the truth!!!
I stated that by principle I could not because "Yotola (scam?)" was a sincere question and not an accusation. But after many of you confirmed my instincts and I got this benevolent censorship request, I knew I definitely couldn't change it! So what do I change it to? Yotola (slickness?); Yotola (scheme?); Yotola (hustle?). If you don't like what you see in the search engines, then do good deeds and provide fairness and justice to those who work for you! Was I trying to make them look bad? No, I found them and was intrigued. For a minute, I was hooked into their bait and switch hard sell landing page. But it smelled wrong and I thought I'd ask the experts here on Microstockblog.
I thought I'd compromise: I responded that I was offended by Yotola and soYotola contact the owner/moderator of this forum with a request to change the subject.
Well, looks like it happened. Sure the owner has a livelihood and a reputation to maintain. But I'll admit, I was taken aback. Wondering on whose side the owner is on. Maybe both sides. Maybe my days at microstockgroup are numbered. But I don't care. As evidenced by the responses here, the sales and marketing strategy Yotola is using is unethical and offensive to many. I hope they take this crowd-sourced study on the forum seriously enough to reconsider their scheme (not a perjorative).
We're already paid pennies. Now we are expected to make ONE PENNY on some magical promise of advertisers "lined up" to pay money to advertise (good luck in overpowering people's Firefox AdBlock Plus as they download our images for FREE!!!) >:( No, none of these "free" sites tell you that do they!!!!! They may get United Airlines, Ford and Apple as advertisers. But folks will never see the ad with AdBlock Plus! And with 3,200 5-star average reviews, you can tell lots of people use AdBlock Plus!
I may end up being an old microstock fossil, but I'm going to speak out and express my opinion. Sorry to hurt your feelings Yotola, but you're a bunch of bullies. You hit a bunch of my classmates and I'm going to stand up to you, even if it means I get piled into the ground. Although you might get big and fat enough one day to pull more magnificent manipulations, like iStuck, eventually you'll need to reap what you sow.
Good luck my photographer, illustrator and videographer friends. The battle for our dignity is at a new level of intensity of huge proportions.
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I didn't see anything illegal on their site and while I thought there were lots of unanswered questions I wouldn't have used the scam word myself. I can see the point of removing the Scam? word by the moderator simply to avoid hassles. In fairness, there are so many intentionally misleading pitches on the internet, this one only reaches my category of mildly offensive.
I think the sensitivity on this subject stems from the irritation of having someone else changing one's words that were used in good faith.
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I didn't see anything illegal on their site and while I thought there were lots of unanswered questions I wouldn't have used the scam word myself. I can see the point of removing the Scam? word by the moderator simply to avoid hassles. In fairness, there are so many intentionally misleading pitches on the internet, this one only reaches my category of mildly offensive.
I think the sensitivity on this subject stems from the irritation of having someone else changing one's words that were used in good faith.
Lou you are providing an excellent example of being rational. Thank you for bringing balance. However, legal and illegal is not always moral. Slavery was legal in the United States. But many privileged Americans believed it was wrong. I know life isn't that simple. But I wanted to address that word.
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I think the topic title should have stayed as the original. There were so many topics with offensive titles regarding istock or fotolia or other big agencies that make the most of our money, but if some rep of some site (yotola-who?) asks here, the moderator changes the title. WTH is this? I am more and more getting fed up with what's going on in this forum.
Regarding the subject, this smells scam really bad and as Sean said, it's just one more nail in the coffin.
Dribble, dude - you surely are not that (insert_censored_word_here), yes? You can "contribute" to these guys, of course. Maybe this way you'll add some value to your work. I'll be number 23 on the list of people who ignore you - and you my one and only ignored creature.
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Looks like someone posted something about Yotola in the iStock off-topic forum—and it was promptly deleted...Understandably so. :P
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I think the topic title should have stayed as the original. There were so many topics with offensive titles regarding istock or fotolia or other big agencies that make the most of our money, but if some rep of some site (yotola-who?) asks here, the moderator changes the title. WTH is this? I am more and more getting fed up with what's going on in this forum.
Regarding the subject, this smells scam really bad and as Sean said, it's just one more nail in the coffin.
Dribble, dude - you surely are not that (insert_censored_word_here), yes? You can "contribute" to these guys, of course. Maybe this way you'll add some value to your work. I'll be number 23 on the list of people who ignore you - and you my one and only ignored creature.
Here is a good example of not pissing off the "buyer." Tyler must have to play go-between -- between his "paying" customers and active forum participants. After all, the forum is paid by advertisers.
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Looks like someone posted something about Yotola in the iStock off-topic forum—and it was promptly deleted...Understandably so. :P
Seriously? The post a video on their site with a detailed explaination on how to rip off istock-contributors and they dare to post about their site on the istock forum? What were they thinking...
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Looks like someone posted something about Yotola in the iStock off-topic forum—and it was promptly deleted...Understandably so. :P
Seriously? The post a video on their site with a detailed explaination on how to rip off istock-contributors and they dare to post about their site on the istock forum? What were they thinking...
Yep, I found it with yippy.com search engine. If anyone is going to remove yotola links from their forum, it would definitely be istock! ;D
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Scam or not, I'm really not crazy about Yotola obtaining phone numbers and calling people! Here in the US, we have a national Do Not Call Registry and List. When you register your phone number, marketers from companies you've never done business with are forbidden by law from calling you.
https://www.donotcall.gov/faq/faqbusiness.aspx#who (https://www.donotcall.gov/faq/faqbusiness.aspx#who)
Those who break the Do Not Call law be warned:
A consumer who receives a telemarketing call despite being on the registry can file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission, either online or by calling a toll-free number. Violators could be fined up to $16,000 per incident.
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Selling rejects from other sites? jeez, how low can one stoop? oh well, crap in, crap out I suppose. I heard there are sites promoting reusable toilet paper? You know, you use it and then some sites will wring out the garbage, hanging it up to dry. BIG money in this business. ::)
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Yeah, I changed the title of the thread after receiving an email from Yotola. The email was considerate and simply asked that the subject of the thread be changed. I felt it was a fair request and everyone's posts and opinions are still in tact and so obliged.
I am not supportive of the way Yotola has their site set up or even their business model but I am a believer in giving everyone (or at least trying to give everyone) a fair platform, so I changed the thread title to be more neutral in stance. If someone does a search for Yotola on google and wants read some opinions there is plenty of food for thought inside the thread despite the neutrality of the thread title.
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I think the topic title should have stayed as the original. There were so many topics with offensive titles regarding istock or fotolia or other big agencies that make the most of our money, but if some rep of some site (yotola-who?) asks here, the moderator changes the title. WTH is this? I am more and more getting fed up with what's going on in this forum.
Regarding the subject, this smells scam really bad and as Sean said, it's just one more nail in the coffin.
Dribble, dude - you surely are not that (insert_censored_word_here), yes? You can "contribute" to these guys, of course. Maybe this way you'll add some value to your work. I'll be number 23 on the list of people who ignore you - and you my one and only ignored creature.
Here is a good example of not pissing off the "buyer." Tyler must have to play go-between -- between his "paying" customers and active forum participants. After all, the forum is paid by advertisers.
Well, since you so prudently reminded us that money talks, I just bought premium membership at microstockgroup.com. So not only am I an active forum participant, but now I'm a "paying" one.
I can't afford to buy those ads at microstockgroup.com (which I will no longer need to see). But I can do something and encourage Tyler to keep up the good work. That way—assuming Yotola doesn't beat me to it—I'll have more money in the forum than them.
cI encourage all of you that regularly use this forum—and especially those annoyed with people wanting our work for ONE PENNY—to do the same. $25 (or 2,500 "free" downloads of your best selling—or rejected—images), if it means we can secure a safe haven from unscrupulous BUYERS.
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Yeah, I changed the title of the thread after receiving an email from Yotola.
I am not supportive of the way Yotola has their site set up or even their business model but I am a believer in giving everyone (or at least trying to give everyone) a fair platform, so I changed the thread title to be more neutral in stance. If someone does a search for Yotola on google and wants read some opinions there is plenty of food for thought inside the thread despite the neutrality of the thread title.
Although I disagree, I understand your position.
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My decision to change the thread title had nothing to do with money - Yotola hasn't given me a dime. Not in terms of stock sales or ads or otherwise. It had only to do with providing a fair starting point for the discussion, simple as that.
Thanks for the membership though - it won't give you more 'influence' but it will remove the ads as you say, and it will fund a kiva loan (http://www.kiva.org/team/microstockgroup)
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My decision to change the thread title had nothing to do with money - Yotola hasn't given me a dime. Not in terms of stock sales or ads or otherwise. It had only to do with providing a fair starting point for the discussion, simple as that.
Thanks for the membership though - it won't give you more 'influence' but it will remove the ads as you say, and it will fund a kiva loan ([url]http://www.kiva.org/team/microstockgroup[/url])
Understood. I use Kiva as well. I'm not trying to buy influence. I'm trying to put my money where my mouth is. I did some complaining and did very little action. The membership—and including a call for everyone else to donate—is that action. However, I do hope you hold the same standards of same fair starting point for all discussions on the forum.
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My decision to change the thread title had nothing to do with money - Yotola hasn't given me a dime. Not in terms of stock sales or ads or otherwise. It had only to do with providing a fair starting point for the discussion, simple as that.
Thanks for the membership though - it won't give you more 'influence' but it will remove the ads as you say, and it will fund a kiva loan ([url]http://www.kiva.org/team/microstockgroup[/url])
Understood. I use Kiva as well. I'm not trying to buy influence. I'm trying to put my money where my mouth is. I did some complaining and did very little action. The membership—and including a call for everyone else to donate—is that action. However, I do hope you hold the same standards of same fair starting point for all discussions on the forum.
Absolutely I would. I would say this thread is exactly an example of that. I changed the subject of thread for a company who I have no history with, and whose business strategy I don't agree with. I'd certainly change a thread for a fellow contributer or stock agency whose business strategy or purpose I DID agree with.
I can't say I catch all the unfair thread subjects or even realize or consider them unfair unless someone mentions it, but I'll always take a request seriously when I'm sent a notice about a thread.
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sophisticated scam
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sophisticated scam
"Trads" always said that microstock is an extremely unsophisticated scam.
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sophisticated scam
"Trads" always said that microstock is an extremely unsophisticated scam.
New Oxford American Dictionary:
scam |skam|
noun informal
a dishonest scheme; a fraud : [with adj. ] an insurance scam.
verb ( scammed , scamming ) [ trans. ]
swindle : a guy that scams the elderly out of their savings.
DERIVATIVES
scammer noun
ORIGIN 1960s: of unknown origin.
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I don't see why the title should be changed. The title didn't say "Yotola is a scam!" or "Warning: Yotala Scam". It was a question asking whether Yotola is a scam or not. They're a new site, a new concept and looking at their ridiculous website, it sure looks like a scam.
If they were so hell bent on looking legitimate, then why did they create a site that screams SCAM! Why the lack of transparency? Why are they grabbing people's phone numbers from registries when they hide their details in their registry? These guys are a joke and lack the professionalism to run any sort of legitimate business.
Everything about Yotola reaks of a scam so I can't see what the big deal is. The title should have remained because it could possibly be a scam.
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I don't see why the title should be changed. The title didn't say "Yotola is a scam!" or "Warning: Yotala Scam". It was a question asking whether Yotola is a scam or not. They're a new site, a new concept and looking at their ridiculous website, it sure looks like a scam.
If they were so hell bent on looking legitimate, then why did they create a site that screams SCAM! Why the lack of transparency? Why are they grabbing people's phone numbers from registries when they hide their details in their registry? These guys are a joke and lack the professionalism to run any sort of legitimate business.
Everything about Yotola reaks of a scam so I can't see what the big deal is. The title should have remained because it could possibly be a scam.
I didn't know that previous title was different.. and I called it a scam without any influence..
This is very clearly a scam and changing the title otherwise can only mislead some naive people into this trap..
Actually, the title must be something like: SCAM ALERT: STAY AWAY FROM YOTOLA
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I don't believe this is a scam. I foresaw this concept a few years ago so the pitch is no surprise. The question is will it be worthwhile to upload. The income projections were vague to say the least but I image the payment to photographers will be in the .01 to .02 per download. No idea what the payout amount will be.
I'm no longer uploading to any of my current sites, mainly due to spending my computer time on my more artistic interests. But I'd love to keep track of Yotola to see what happens.
Not sure what we'll call this new concept. Maxi-Mini Microstock?
Hi there!
Same here, with all the cowboys and scams going on its not hard to guess that someone would come along scaveging on cadavers, in the wild, the bones are left, here its the rejects.
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If they were so hell bent on looking legitimate, then why did they create a site that screams SCAM! Why the lack of transparency?
Maybe the transparency IS in the web design. ;)
All we've all done is give them a clue as to how to look more respectable.
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Actually, the title must be something like: SCAM ALERT: STAY AWAY FROM YOTOLA
Well you could take the SCAM word out and just title it
"New Agency Yotola - CALLING ALL SUCKERS"
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Disclaimer: My apologies for this post. I am violating my own vow not to spend any more brain time on Yotola. A smart admin would delete this opinion.
I'm thinking that there is a huge group out there of wanna-be photographers who are unable to get accepted by the major or even minor stock sites. They've heard stories of vast riches being denied them even though in their mind they've been rejected unfairly. Yotola to the rescue! Yotola feels your pain. Yotola will give you your chance to shine. Yotola will never reject you. Yotola confirms that your hand-shaking, sunset, and flower pictures will yield big dividends and that the other stock sites are ignorant and will rue the day they rejected you. How much will Yotola pay you? [SLAP UPSIDE THE HEAD!] You'll take whatever Yotola will pay you!
Yotola is communicating that the traditional micro stock sites ignore or avoid images that Yotola will prove to be successful sellers. Sweet music to those wounded by rejection. Yotola will provide proof in dollars that your resentments are well-founded.
My conclusion is that many in the rejected crowd will respond to Yotola's strategy. Enough to make a profit for Yotola? I would think not, unless they can also tap into the vast Facebook photographer market where the remainder of the clueless reside.
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at $.02 per download they could be a sublet for iStock ;D
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Disclaimer: My apologies for this post. I am violating my own vow not to spend any more brain time on Yotola. A smart admin would delete this opinion.
I'm thinking that there is a huge group out there of wanna-be photographers who are unable to get accepted by the major or even minor stock sites. They've heard stories of vast riches being denied them even though in their mind they've been rejected unfairly. Yotola to the rescue! Yotola feels your pain. Yotola will give you your chance to shine. Yotola will never reject you. Yotola confirms that your hand-shaking, sunset, and flower pictures will yield big dividends and that the other stock sites are ignorant and will rue the day they rejected you. How much will Yotola pay you? [SLAP UPSIDE THE HEAD!] You'll take whatever Yotola will pay you!
Yotola is communicating that the traditional micro stock sites ignore or avoid images that Yotola will prove to be successful sellers. Sweet music to those wounded by rejection. Yotola will provide proof in dollars that your resentments are well-founded.
My conclusion is that many in the rejected crowd will respond to Yotola's strategy. Enough to make a profit for Yotola? I would think not, unless they can also tap into the vast Facebook photographer market where the remainder of the clueless reside.
"hey I'v got these shots laying around doin' nothin'... even if they just make pennies it's more than nothin'... lets go upload!" sounds familiar? thats how microstock was born, so... who's crying 'scam!' now? duh. : )
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at $.02 per download they could be a sublet for iStock ;D
:D
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Disclaimer: My apologies for this post. I am violating my own vow not to spend any more brain time on Yotola. A smart admin would delete this opinion.
I'm thinking that there is a huge group out there of wanna-be photographers who are unable to get accepted by the major or even minor stock sites. They've heard stories of vast riches being denied them even though in their mind they've been rejected unfairly. Yotola to the rescue! Yotola feels your pain. Yotola will give you your chance to shine. Yotola will never reject you. Yotola confirms that your hand-shaking, sunset, and flower pictures will yield big dividends and that the other stock sites are ignorant and will rue the day they rejected you. How much will Yotola pay you? [SLAP UPSIDE THE HEAD!] You'll take whatever Yotola will pay you!
Yotola is communicating that the traditional micro stock sites ignore or avoid images that Yotola will prove to be successful sellers. Sweet music to those wounded by rejection. Yotola will provide proof in dollars that your resentments are well-founded.
My conclusion is that many in the rejected crowd will respond to Yotola's strategy. Enough to make a profit for Yotola? I would think not, unless they can also tap into the vast Facebook photographer market where the remainder of the clueless reside.
"hey I'v got these shots laying around doin' nothin'... even if they just make pennies it's more than nothin'... lets go upload!" sounds familiar? thats how microstock was born, so... who's crying 'scam!' now? duh. : )
The difference is that microstock delivers. Even a lot. And this new thing is arriving late and in bad shape.
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Disclaimer: My apologies for this post. I am violating my own vow not to spend any more brain time on Yotola. A smart admin would delete this opinion.
I'm thinking that there is a huge group out there of wanna-be photographers who are unable to get accepted by the major or even minor stock sites. They've heard stories of vast riches being denied them even though in their mind they've been rejected unfairly. Yotola to the rescue! Yotola feels your pain. Yotola will give you your chance to shine. Yotola will never reject you. Yotola confirms that your hand-shaking, sunset, and flower pictures will yield big dividends and that the other stock sites are ignorant and will rue the day they rejected you. How much will Yotola pay you? [SLAP UPSIDE THE HEAD!] You'll take whatever Yotola will pay you!
Yotola is communicating that the traditional micro stock sites ignore or avoid images that Yotola will prove to be successful sellers. Sweet music to those wounded by rejection. Yotola will provide proof in dollars that your resentments are well-founded.
My conclusion is that many in the rejected crowd will respond to Yotola's strategy. Enough to make a profit for Yotola? I would think not, unless they can also tap into the vast Facebook photographer market where the remainder of the clueless reside.
"hey I'v got these shots laying around doin' nothin'... even if they just make pennies it's more than nothin'... lets go upload!" sounds familiar? thats how microstock was born, so... who's crying 'scam!' now? duh. : )
The difference is that microstock delivers. Even a lot. And this new thing is arriving late and in bad shape.
I was talking about the start. IStock f.e.... what was it, like 5 cent commissions? Once again you ppl are incapable of connecting even 2 dots.Thats pretty severe, thats why you are pushovers
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When I began, I think it was 0.20, 0.40, 0.60 (that's 20x to 60x of what Yotola seems to be offering). But I saw the potential and the future. Even if my protographer friends kept telling me that it was not possible make money with that, and that it wouldn't last (like many other photographers in the internet forums) , and even if my non-photographers friends kept telling me that it was not possible to make money through an internet offering I (and many others in this forum), foresaw it. We got it right, without any doubt, and we connected these dots that others weren't utterly able to connect. Now, many of these photographers that were making fun of us have surrendered to microstock and are struggling to build portfolios there, maybe a bit late, while others go on bitterly commenting in denial. So, well, I (we) got it right once and that's a point we have. I don't foresaw any significant income for this Yotola plan. And I think that I'm getting it right again.
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... Even if my protographer friends kept telling me that it was not possible make money with that, and that it wouldn't last (like many other photographers in the internet forums) , and even if my non-photographers friends kept telling me that it was not possible to make money through an internet offering...
Sounds like this thread. Those pesky dots...
I (and many others in this forum), foresaw it. We got it right, without any doubt, and we connected these dots that others weren't utterly able to connect.
Foresaw what? That 98% of you will get shamelessly ripped off and create 100 page whine threads about how humiliating the whole thing is... and won't even come even on basic expenses... which actually means (the dots again) that you were simply giving your money to the owners of the site, just in a very complicated way involving a camera? : ) just wire the money next time...
Now, many of these photographers that were making fun of us have surrendered to microstock and are struggling to build portfolios there...
Sure, after it pushed out everything else. Those pesky dots again: those ppl never said that this isn't gonna a great business... for the site owners, and about 1.5-2% of submitters. Now what is a business that rips off 98% of it's suppliers... tadaaaa: a scam.
I don't foresaw any significant income for this Yotola plan. And I think that I'm getting it right again.
goto 10 :)
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ETA: deleted a load of stuff cos it ain't worth it
Back on topic, I predict that this will be just another way for people who don't own the copyright to make a quick buck before they get DMCA'd.
Give it a year and the site will be full of holiday snapshots and quality (but stolen) work
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ETA: deleted a load of stuff cos it ain't worth it
Back on topic, I predict that this will be just another way for people who don't own the copyright to make a quick buck before they get DMCA'd.
Give it a year and the site will be full of holiday snapshots and quality (but stolen) work
Excellent point.
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I had been keeping an eye on this thread, but figured this ridiculous business idea would fall flat pretty quickly because no one selling stock would take them seriously or contribute any images to them.
I'm not all that comfortable about Leaf changing the topic title. Now there's a neutral title, pages of back and forth discussion and I think this is obscuring the bottom line.
Don't under any circumstances give your intellectual property (images, illustrations, etc.) to an outfit that doesn't have public information about who they are and has all the attributes in their public presence of the snake oil salesman of old.
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Sorry OT:
I'm not happy about Leaf changing the title of this thread.
No accusations were made.
This is an (agency) independent forum (I thought).
I don't see how agencies can gain moderating power as long no laws have been broken or any other moral issues like slander or discrimination has occurred.
Tyler, please advise: How are we supposed to address issues like this? The current title does NOT reflect the OP's concerns. The title could relate to: "What are your thoughts:
- regarding their TOS
- regarding their support
- regarding their royalties
- regarding their upload system
It's not conclusive. IMO the original title was precisely addressing the issue at hand.
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I don´t see any problem regarding leaf changing the title of this thread, I am not deffending Yotola but it ain´t a scam so it would be unfair..
sure it can hurt microstock if it goes live and contributors join, that said I also don´t think togs/illust will accept this deal, perhaps the ones that have 80% rejection rate around all top agencies which aren´t living out of stock income but even those will punish microstock..
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It will go live - if it's not Yotola it's gonna be PlingPlong, Klupklik or Fungdung, for sure.
People love free, they don't give a rat's a$$ about the quality , except a few agencies and clients who really care about their brand.
But 80% of the image users will be happy with free image sources.
The problem will come as described by luissantos84: low quality...
One can only hope that premium imagery will still keep its place (and commission)...
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free will most certainly not take over microstock (at least not in the immediate future). There is already a ton of free sites. The few I linked before for example and flickr creative commons and piles. What it comes down to is the time it takes to find an image and the assurance that the releases are in order. A few dollars means nothing to most businesses so they'll happily buy a stock photo and have a quick search and proper licensing.
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... And the assurance that the free or CC photo is taken (by) and property (of) the person who is offering it at Flickr or elsewhere, and not stolen. There's a lot of stolen stuff offered out there.
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Let's not forget Yotola's basic intent: Get lots of free images to fuel click-through and display ad revenue from their advertisers. It is not to compete with microstock agencies. It is to supply low quality images for low quality uses by unsophisticated users who value "free" over any other feature. And with low quality images (brilliant quality in their minds) suppliers will be satisfied with any payment no matter how low. It's more about recognition than renumeration.
I would think that they will get millions of solicited poorly composed images with little commercial value, most with auto key words added by Yotola to at least make some basic searches possible.
I've also re-thought their payment method and revised my prediction of payment per image downloaded. I forgot than way back in our history and British history there was a unit of currency called the pence with a value of about 100 to the penny. Google "pence" if you must. I think that Yotola will find a way to resurrect such a denomination for contributor payment. If it were me I'd call that unit a "Credit". With 1,000 Credits equaling $10 U.S. The video holds out the hope that even images rejected by micro sites will still yield tens of thousand of downloads on a free download basis. So I think that, yes, it will be possible to earn less than .01 per image.
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Our main team is based in London. The voice was done by a team colleague in the US (and yes that is a Chicago accent :)).
Our advertisers will be all family-friendly products and services – I can guarantee you that.
Our team and investors are composed of people with backgrounds in stock photography and marketing. We already have high quality photographers on board and they will begin uploading as soon as we are done polishing off site development (which is not long now)
Still wondering how you got my personal phone number just to invite me. Not wise, and clearly you're starting with the wrong foot. But that's a first, have to admit it. ???
Hi Rui, we found your phone number in the registrar details of your stock photography website, which was publicly available. We felt it was better to call you in person rather than sending an email. Apologise if there was any inconvenience. As we are starting up we wanted to add that personal touch to our contributors.
Hey, I got a business to! We're very professional marketters from the USA! We learn everything we know from tv, I swear. Look at our first product that will change lives!!!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vLcvCH1h1qk[/youtube]
We got a 1-800 hotline or we can contact you directly by using your ip adress WHILE YOU WATCH THIS VIDEO!! !!(((AWESOME)))!!
(Sorry leaf, I know I haven't post in a while, but I couldn't shut it this time)
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Let's not forget Yotola's basic intent: Get lots of free images to fuel click-through and display ad revenue from their advertisers. It is not to compete with microstock agencies. It is to supply low quality images for low quality uses by unsophisticated users who value "free" over any other feature. And with low quality images (brilliant quality in their minds) suppliers will be satisfied with any payment no matter how low. It's more about recognition than renumeration.
actually the video is confusing on that part, first they say they are looking for the 2/3 rejected by stock agencies, then they talk about high quality pictures to drive more traffic, if they aren´t willing to try and get better contributors whats the point of building this "new" model so close to previous free sites..
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Let's not forget Yotola's basic intent: Get lots of free images to fuel click-through and display ad revenue from their advertisers. It is not to compete with microstock agencies. It is to supply low quality images for low quality uses by unsophisticated users who value "free" over any other feature. And with low quality images (brilliant quality in their minds) suppliers will be satisfied with any payment no matter how low. It's more about recognition than renumeration.
actually the video is confusing on that part, first they say they are looking for the 2/3 rejected by stock agencies, then they talk about high quality pictures to drive more traffic, if they aren´t willing to try and get better contributors whats the point of building this "new" model so close to previous free sites..
Being that iSt*ck rejects 2/3's of my submissions, maybe I'll join Yotoli....Nah, I'll print them out and tie up them up in a bag with my Banoodle! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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What's funny is, he stole and is showing how to steal an image, then ask us to contribute to his scamstock website.
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The sad part is that there will likely be many photographers signing up, even members of this forum. History showed that if there is a promise of some income - even $0.01 a download - there will always be people that will join. :(
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The sad part is that there will likely be many photographers signing up, even members of this forum. History showed that if there is a promise of some income - even $0.01 a download - there will always be people that will join. :(
I don´t see a single person posting in this thread willing to take the cent (are they hiding ashamed?)
for sure there will be tons of "togs" but not the ones wanting to keep their income and in a certain way wish to keep a reasonable perspective in the microstock business
sxc free site:
» 395859 photos online
» 104 pending
» 0 added today
running for 12 years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock.xchng (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock.xchng))
I believe they aren´t paying for downloads, that said Yotola might have a few more files because of that, I have talked with them and they have already a few contributors on their side