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ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #500 on: July 31, 2013, 17:46 »
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There have been other reports of indies having GI sales.
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=355278&page=1
Good luck getting a CR person who clicks the right auto-response button.

In that link he says they show up as partner program sales in green and the details say from Getty Images.  GI sales show up purple and Connect show up as black.

But green represents the PP, and his GI sale was 12c, but his PP rate is 28c.

Maybe (idle speculation) Getty has just got into another nanopaying deal without telling TPTB at iS.


« Reply #501 on: July 31, 2013, 18:03 »
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There have been other reports of indies having GI sales.
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=355278&page=1
Good luck getting a CR person who clicks the right auto-response button.

In that link he says they show up as partner program sales in green and the details say from Getty Images.  GI sales show up purple and Connect show up as black.

But green represents the PP, and his GI sale was 12c, but his PP rate is 28c.

Maybe (idle speculation) Getty has just got into another nanopaying deal without telling TPTB at iS.

I'm saying it wasn't a GI sale, it was a Partner Program sale from Getty Images.  At least that's how it was listed.  GI sales are a different thing, they are from mirrored content on Getty Images.  Just trying to keep things clear, it gets confusing if you call things by the wrong name.  Pete may actually have GI sales which would be a different issue.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #502 on: July 31, 2013, 18:22 »
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I'm saying it wasn't a GI sale, it was a Partner Program sale from Getty Images.  At least that's how it was listed.
Fair enough.
Have we had any intimation/explanation of such a possibility for indies?
What does it mean?

Or it may just be an accounting mistake.

SNP

  • Canadian Photographer
« Reply #503 on: August 01, 2013, 01:09 »
+21
I still cringe when I read the way some people speak to others here, including many of the comments made to Yuri. yikes. anyways, have read through most of this thread and my two cents.

flooded microstock libraries with factory-produced images; that is what I have known of Yuri for the last eight years. I don't know you Yuri. I'm sure all in all you're a nice person. but you have stated that your 'exit' from subs microstock to higher ground is some sort of epiphany. that statement can only be interpreted as egotistical and hypocritical. I'm not begrudging you success; you're arguably the most prolific and highest paid microstock photographer in the world, however, slamming the door on the microstock models that you helped build claiming their detrimental affect on the fair pricing of images, well, I can't believe that is coming from you given your longstanding contribution to those very models. You're looking for better prices, but pushing phone camera image sales. Again, that leaves me confused.

You've gotten into bed with Getty at a moment when the chasm between Getty and contributors has never been deeper or wider. you're not in the trenches with us Yuri. You have made decisions that benefit you, that's your prerogative, but with respect I doubt you know what it is to be a 'normal' contributor, a regular photographer who is not privy to special exclusivity and deals with companies that are disrespectful to their suppliers. If I were in a position of influence such that you are, I hope I would use it to do some good in the industry along with achieving success for myself. I'd like to think those two things can be achieved simultaneously. cheers.

« Reply #504 on: August 01, 2013, 01:53 »
+3
I'm saying it wasn't a GI sale, it was a Partner Program sale from Getty Images.  At least that's how it was listed.
Fair enough.
Have we had any intimation/explanation of such a possibility for indies?
What does it mean?

Or it may just be an accounting mistake.

It is probably "just" an accounting mistake - but one that happens to stand out because it is impossible. I had a black line Getty PP sale show up, when I questioned it it soon disappeared and I was told a) it would be a connect sale so that's OK (lobo) b) there was a mistake that had made some Getty PP images appear as connect images; and when I asked if I should be getting Getty PP sales, however they turn up, I was told that it was a mistake that had been corrected.

Now, when Getty took over another agency they found that some years earlier there had been a cheque payment that had been lost in the post and they contacted me and asked if I wanted the money (yes, actually!) and then sent it to me. That was their initiative, with no prompting from me, which is why I continue to trust them to try to be completely honest in their accounting. My problem with my vanishing black line is that it shows that some errors happen in recording sales or assigning payment and I have no way at all of knowing about it unless something theoretically impossible crops up - like a black line that later vanishes.

Ron

« Reply #505 on: August 01, 2013, 03:06 »
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I still cringe when I read the way some people speak to others here, including many of the comments made to Yuri. yikes. anyways, have read through most of this thread and my two cents.

flooded microstock libraries with factory-produced images; that is what I have known of Yuri for the last eight years. I don't know you Yuri. I'm sure all in all you're a nice person. but you have stated that your 'exit' from subs microstock to higher ground is some sort of epiphany. that statement can only be interpreted as egotistical and hypocritical. I'm not begrudging you success; you're arguably the most prolific and highest paid microstock photographer in the world, however, slamming the door on the microstock models that you helped build claiming their detrimental affect on the fair pricing of images, well, I can't believe that is coming from you given your longstanding contribution to those very models. You're looking for better prices, but pushing phone camera image sales. Again, that leaves me confused.

You've gotten into bed with Getty at a moment when the chasm between Getty and contributors has never been deeper or wider. you're not in the trenches with us Yuri. You have made decisions that benefit you, that's your prerogative, but with respect I doubt you know what it is to be a 'normal' contributor, a regular photographer who is not privy to special exclusivity and deals with companies that are disrespectful to their suppliers. If I were in a position of influence such that you are, I hope I would use it to do some good in the industry along with achieving success for myself. I'd like to think those two things can be achieved simultaneously. cheers.
My part in bold and then you go on saying you dont know him and call him egotistical and hypocritical. And that makes you what? 

« Reply #506 on: August 01, 2013, 03:13 »
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« Last Edit: August 01, 2013, 03:19 by BaldricksTrousers »

Ron

« Reply #507 on: August 01, 2013, 03:19 »
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« Reply #508 on: August 01, 2013, 04:22 »
+3
I really don't care what Yuri do with his images, good or bad it's his decision. But, I must say that Yuri's word's here allways sound like some strategic/marketing/psycology plan.

Other thing ... Yuri's images are not only available at istockphoto and his partners, look here:

http://www.superstock.com/preview.asp?image=4197R-14057&imagex=undefined&enableCDLink=1
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-9239146-couple-resting-on-deckchairs-at-beach-in-sunset.php?st=56e6dbf

Maybe this is some special exclusive contract with IS :-)

Yuri, good luck to you ;-)

cuppacoffee

« Reply #509 on: August 01, 2013, 08:32 »
+3
I put this in the Superstock forum but maybe it belongs here -

... but it looks like Yuri has 45,702 images here today, August 1st, 2013 (credit not mine but discovered by other MSG member). I thought he was "exclusive" at istock? Yeah, right.

http://www.superstock.com/resultsframe.asp?tag=results&imgextra0=1&txtkeys1=PG_4197

« Reply #510 on: August 01, 2013, 08:36 »
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1 week after and Yuri's distribution team is still having trouble removing pictures from DT ;D

Uncle Pete

« Reply #511 on: August 01, 2013, 08:50 »
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Moved my information and more discoveries to an appropriate new Subject on the IS area. Please go view there to continue.

http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/24-cent-gi-sales-%28moved-to-it%27s-own-from-another-topic%29/

I'm saying it wasn't a GI sale, it was a Partner Program sale from Getty Images.  At least that's how it was listed.

Fair enough.
Have we had any intimation/explanation of such a possibility for indies?
What does it mean?

Or it may just be an accounting mistake.

« Reply #512 on: August 01, 2013, 09:09 »
+4
1 week after and Yuri's distribution team is still having trouble removing pictures from DT ;D

Probaly busy with the 82k images still up on Mostphotos ;)

« Reply #513 on: August 01, 2013, 09:10 »
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1 week after and Yuri's distribution team is still having trouble removing pictures from DT ;D

Probaly busy with the 82k images still up on Mostphotos ;)

sweet :D

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #514 on: August 01, 2013, 09:21 »
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You've gotten into bed with Getty at a moment when the chasm between Getty and contributors has never been deeper or wider.
Like my Mum says, "As He made them, so He matched them".
A saying which generally refers to marriage, but in this case refers to interpretation of Truth.

« Reply #515 on: August 01, 2013, 10:48 »
+2
I can't imagine how tedious a job removing Yuri's portfolio from all the sites it was on must be.  Especially with the sites that have a tedious removal procedure.  Might take years to get every image off every site.  I'm sure its something that stopped lots of us considering going exclusive.

If someone wants to go exclusive now and istock insist that they remove every single image from all the other sites first, wouldn't that be discrimination?

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #516 on: August 01, 2013, 10:50 »
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If someone wants to go exclusive now and istock insist that they remove every single image from all the other sites first, wouldn't that be discrimination?
Depends on Alberta/Canadian law, I suppose; would be an interesting case here.


SNP

  • Canadian Photographer
« Reply #517 on: August 01, 2013, 11:50 »
0
I still cringe when I read the way some people speak to others here, including many of the comments made to Yuri. yikes. anyways, have read through most of this thread and my two cents.

flooded microstock libraries with factory-produced images; that is what I have known of Yuri for the last eight years. I don't know you Yuri. I'm sure all in all you're a nice person. but you have stated that your 'exit' from subs microstock to higher ground is some sort of epiphany. that statement can only be interpreted as egotistical and hypocritical. I'm not begrudging you success; you're arguably the most prolific and highest paid microstock photographer in the world, however, slamming the door on the microstock models that you helped build claiming their detrimental affect on the fair pricing of images, well, I can't believe that is coming from you given your longstanding contribution to those very models. You're looking for better prices, but pushing phone camera image sales. Again, that leaves me confused.

You've gotten into bed with Getty at a moment when the chasm between Getty and contributors has never been deeper or wider. you're not in the trenches with us Yuri. You have made decisions that benefit you, that's your prerogative, but with respect I doubt you know what it is to be a 'normal' contributor, a regular photographer who is not privy to special exclusivity and deals with companies that are disrespectful to their suppliers. If I were in a position of influence such that you are, I hope I would use it to do some good in the industry along with achieving success for myself. I'd like to think those two things can be achieved simultaneously. cheers.
My part in bold and then you go on saying you dont know him and call him egotistical and hypocritical. And that makes you what?

I said his statement could "only be interpreted as egotistical and hypocritical"....and my point is that not knowing Yuri personally, there are few ways to interpret the (many) bold statements he made in his announcement. I don't want to turn this into a pi55ing match, but you misquoted me.

« Reply #518 on: August 01, 2013, 12:27 »
+1

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #519 on: August 01, 2013, 12:46 »
+6
Looks like SS's stocks are bouncing back, so the Yuri effect, as he would like us to believe, was very temporary:

« Reply #520 on: August 01, 2013, 13:39 »
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superstock has great images but i wonder about their sales, i can't remember the last time i've seen a photo credit @ superstock, must be a few years ago, same for Masterfile.




Leo Blanchette

« Reply #521 on: August 01, 2013, 14:52 »
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Although the snooty "come to getty and get healed" speech was a little disturbing, I must apologize for my stupid retorts.

« Reply #522 on: August 01, 2013, 15:43 »
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Looks like SS's stocks are bouncing back, so the Yuri effect, as he would like us to believe, was very temporary:



as confirmed by Yuri it seems SS has no plans to raise our fees or to launch a new expensive product line.
and frankly speaking i would do the same, their core business is being the leader in low cost so they better avoid risky adventures in news, reportage, midstock, etc

their strategy will be about cutting costs to the bone even more than now, as for their new collection i'm afraid they've something nasty in store, like all-you-can-eat mobile pics or whatever cheaper than chips.

in any case they can't stay idle, public companies usually announce something new every quarter to keep high the investors's attention span, no matter if it's all smoke and mirrors as in most of the cases, see the recent jump in FB's mobile profits, anyone following the industry knows very well the ugly truth and it will all crumble soon like a sack of potatoes.

at this point they could also find the money for some M&As .. including buying FT or DT, we'll see but it would be a logical step.





 

BD

« Reply #523 on: August 01, 2013, 19:02 »
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Looks like SS's stocks are bouncing back, so the Yuri effect, as he would like us to believe, was very temporary:



as confirmed by Yuri it seems SS has no plans to raise our fees or to launch a new expensive product line.
and frankly speaking i would do the same, their core business is being the leader in low cost so they better avoid risky adventures in news, reportage, midstock, etc

their strategy will be about cutting costs to the bone even more than now, as for their new collection i'm afraid they've something nasty in store, like all-you-can-eat mobile pics or whatever cheaper than chips.

in any case they can't stay idle, public companies usually announce something new every quarter to keep high the investors's attention span, no matter if it's all smoke and mirrors as in most of the cases, see the recent jump in FB's mobile profits, anyone following the industry knows very well the ugly truth and it will all crumble soon like a sack of potatoes.

at this point they could also find the money for some M&As .. including buying FT or DT, we'll see but it would be a logical step.





 


I dont think Yuri is in the position to confirm anything relating to SS, especially any of their future plans.

« Reply #524 on: August 01, 2013, 19:07 »
+3
....as confirmed by Yuri it seems SS has no plans to raise our fees or to launch a new expensive product line...

They already launched a new expensive product line....


 

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