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« Reply #275 on: July 26, 2013, 06:01 »
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"Yuri is not our saviour. He had so many chances in the past to be it and always took the step back."

Which is what is happening here.  Nothing has happened that will affect any of us.  He has in fact taken the easy road, getting in bed with the 'evil empire'.  Don't expect any 'change from the inside', as we know how that ends, not that there's interest in doing it anyways.  Toe the company line and the cash will be paid. 

"I really don't see it the way you do and I don't think you understand the business that we (our images) have created. Do you really think that the optimal price for those images is a 300USD/mth subscription? Am I the only one see this? And yes. It starts by somebody like me saying no thanks."

The hubris of this statement still dazzles me.

Btw, my question about the IS press release lie was never addressed :).


ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #276 on: July 26, 2013, 06:31 »
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Btw, my question about the IS press release lie was never addressed :).

He kind-of did. Seems he isn't in full control of his operation:

picture5469:
Could u be kind enough to answer my question please Yuri as to why you still have images on DT?
Thanks

Yuri:
I actually don't know. I will have to reference my distribution team tomorrow. I presume most will be removed quite soon.
http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/yuri-arcurs-first-public-statement/msg333079/#msg333079

Proves iS didn't make any due diligence checks either: I've read of people being refused exclusivity because of having a couple of files (not a few thousand) on a site they'd long forgotten about, and for the sake of a very few files and a site's deletion policy having to sit out months before they could become exclusive; there was the recently-referenced case of someone having their port suspended over just a very few files on another tiny site by forgetfulness (they probably hadn't earned anything there for years) and iS even saying that exclusives must not have images in NU at Alamy as there was a possiblity that a particular NU might resemble an RF contract.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2013, 06:34 by ShadySue »

« Reply #277 on: July 26, 2013, 06:37 »
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No, I mean that the entire collection will still be posted at peopleimages (which undercuts IS).  That contradicts the IS press release that IS is, and I quote:
"... now the only site where the Arcurs Collection of photo, video, audio and vector elements can be found."

Ron

« Reply #278 on: July 26, 2013, 06:48 »
+2
That blog was written in a hurry, just to get something online, to brag. It was full of spelling mistakes, errors, incorrect calculations, incorrect assumptions and contradicting info. Its the same stuff as coming to a public forum to ask for advice on how to deal with a legal case. Doing so as a CEO of a multi million dollar company, I find that weird. There is no need for all of that. Professionals deal with professionals, I guess Getty and Yuri are the perfect fit.

« Reply #279 on: July 26, 2013, 06:50 »
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Sean state's the truth in that what iStock said is an out right lie. If they said you can only find his content on iStock and our partner sites that wold be true. You see Getty bought peopleimages, now the crazy thing here is Yuri keeps 100% commission at peopleimages?? Whhhaaat! So I need to start a site, sell it to Getty and I still keep 100% of sales for me :-), Now that is a good deal!! Fact is people Stocksy is still the most honest and fair place for photographers to sell at!! I am exclusive and not on Stocksy but it is what is needed here. Still can't figure out why Stocksy dose not get more hype here. Yuri is for Yuri and that is fine, he won't do anything for me and if he thinks he is so special to Getty he will have a hard lesson to learn. That goes for anyone and any job, there is no one person that is so special, trust me if you quit today the industry will still be fine without you that is just life.

shudderstok

« Reply #280 on: July 26, 2013, 07:02 »
+2
Sean state's the truth in that what iStock said is an out right lie. If they said you can only find his content on iStock and our partner sites that wold be true. You see Getty bought peopleimages, now the crazy thing here is Yuri keeps 100% commission at peopleimages?? Whhhaaat! So I need to start a site, sell it to Getty and I still keep 100% of sales for me :-), Now that is a good deal!! Fact is people Stocksy is still the most honest and fair place for photographers to sell at!! I am exclusive and not on Stocksy but it is what is needed here. Still can't figure out why Stocksy dose not get more hype here. Yuri is for Yuri and that is fine, he won't do anything for me and if he thinks he is so special to Getty he will have a hard lesson to learn. That goes for anyone and any job, there is no one person that is so special, trust me if you quit today the industry will still be fine without you that is just life.

or maybe, just maybe yuri did what so many other photographers have done before, sell out to getty for a lot of coin and move on. bruce did it albeit he was not a photographer. i know also of a few other photographer founded agencies that did it too and got swallowed up into the getty empire.

at the end of the day, they made a business decision.

this whole getty buy it up program dates back for many years before microstock was even a concept.


« Reply #281 on: July 26, 2013, 07:33 »
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Two good things Yuri has done: 1. Not supporting anymore the disastrous (in my humble opinion) cheap subscription model, true origin of many of our troubles. For me, subs it's not micro, but "nano-stock".  2. Putting his images at PeopleImages at respectable prices.

About Scoopt... I don't think it really will work, the same that I don't thing that Connect will, but that is just again mi hunch. I've been wrong imn the past and I will be in the future.

I wont't say nothing on the rest. Just say that I'm taking abback seeing the change of attitude of many of you towards Yuri... it seems, mostly by the fact that he has gone exclusive at IS.

I don't know why so many people ignore the fact that Getty/istock are experimenting with true nanostock.  We have all these huge threads that usually aren't worth reading while this one, that I consider to be the most important in recent years had hardly any attention.
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/interesting-times-in-which-to-live/

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #282 on: July 26, 2013, 07:39 »
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No, I mean that the entire collection will still be posted at peopleimages (which undercuts IS).  That contradicts the IS press release that IS is, and I quote:
"... now the only site where the Arcurs Collection of photo, video, audio and vector elements can be found."
He answered that one too, but only once he'd sat through iStock's "change the meaning of the English Language 101" course:
Sean Locke Photography:
"So, iStock is lying when they say they are the only site hosting your images"
Yuri:
"No. They are not. Exclusive does not mean Istock only. It means partner sites as well. This can't be news."

Which I took as meaning, but in iStockNewSpeak, who knows what anything means, that somehow PeopleImages is now an iStock Partner Site. At least in some way iStockLawyer thinks will keep off misrepresentation lawsuits.

Ron

« Reply #283 on: July 26, 2013, 07:41 »
+2
No, I mean that the entire collection will still be posted at peopleimages (which undercuts IS).  That contradicts the IS press release that IS is, and I quote:
"... now the only site where the Arcurs Collection of photo, video, audio and vector elements can be found."
He answered that one too, but only once he'd sat through iStock's "change the meaning of the English Language 101" course:
Sean Locke Photography:
"So, iStock is lying when they say they are the only site hosting your images"
Yuri:
"No. They are not. Exclusive does not mean Istock only. It means partner sites as well. This can't be news."

Which I took as meaning, but in iStockNewSpeak, who knows what anything means, that somehow PeopleImages is now an iStock Partner Site. At least in some way iStockLawyer thinks will keep off misrepresentation lawsuits.
Come on now Sue, this cant be news, Dreamstime is an Istock partner site.  :)

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #284 on: July 26, 2013, 07:42 »
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Come on now Sue, this cant be news, Dreamstime is an Istock partner site.  :)
[/quote]
LOL  8)

EmberMike

« Reply #285 on: July 26, 2013, 07:53 »
+7
...Nothing has happened that will affect any of us...

Bottom line, for me. This is not the most significant event in microstock history, contrary to what Yuri thinks. He'll point to the stock price dropping around the time he left SS, but really he hasn't changed anything. One person just does not have that much power in this business. Yuri himself proved that when he failed in his world tour of stock agencies in his effort to get them to change their ways.

It's been mentioned in this thread that we should be embracing this opportunity to talk to him about the business, get some insight from him. I would have been all for that if he didn't have to inject his ego into this and make it all about him. If he genuinely came here to make his announcement and talk shop for a bit, that would have been awesome. Instead he made it all about him, how important he is to himself, and how lame everyone else is for not doing what he wanted. All while making sure that we all know that he thinks of himself as the most important thing in microstock, ever.

Any value there would have been in any information we could have gotten from Yuri was lost the minute he posted that fluff article on his blog and stroked his own ego to the point where nothing else he could say would be meaningful in a real discussion about the business.

This change has no impact on my business or anyone else's. I can think of a dozen events in recent years in this business that had a real impact on every one of us.

« Reply #286 on: July 26, 2013, 07:55 »
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Two good things Yuri has done: 1. Not supporting anymore the disastrous (in my humble opinion) cheap subscription model, true origin of many of our troubles. For me, subs it's not micro, but "nano-stock".  2. Putting his images at PeopleImages at respectable prices.

About Scoopt... I don't think it really will work, the same that I don't thing that Connect will, but that is just again mi hunch. I've been wrong imn the past and I will be in the future.

I wont't say nothing on the rest. Just say that I'm taking abback seeing the change of attitude of many of you towards Yuri... it seems, mostly by the fact that he has gone exclusive at IS.

I don't know why so many people ignore the fact that Getty/istock are experimenting with true nanostock.  We have all these huge threads that usually aren't worth reading while this one, that I consider to be the most important in recent years had hardly any attention.
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/interesting-times-in-which-to-live/


But that is just for looking at, not for buying rights. Anyway, I don't foresee Getty, neither contributors making any kind of significant income out of that. It's marginal.

« Reply #287 on: July 26, 2013, 08:09 »
+4
No, I mean that the entire collection will still be posted at peopleimages (which undercuts IS).  That contradicts the IS press release that IS is, and I quote:
"... now the only site where the Arcurs Collection of photo, video, audio and vector elements can be found."
He answered that one too, but only once he'd sat through iStock's "change the meaning of the English Language 101" course:
Sean Locke Photography:
"So, iStock is lying when they say they are the only site hosting your images"
Yuri:
"No. They are not. Exclusive does not mean Istock only. It means partner sites as well. This can't be news."

Which I took as meaning, but in iStockNewSpeak, who knows what anything means, that somehow PeopleImages is now an iStock Partner Site. At least in some way iStockLawyer thinks will keep off misrepresentation lawsuits.

I'm not talking about the company being exclusive.  I'm talking about the representation that IS is 'the only site'.  That's just a lie.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #288 on: July 26, 2013, 08:13 »
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No, I mean that the entire collection will still be posted at peopleimages (which undercuts IS).  That contradicts the IS press release that IS is, and I quote:
"... now the only site where the Arcurs Collection of photo, video, audio and vector elements can be found."
He answered that one too, but only once he'd sat through iStock's "change the meaning of the English Language 101" course:
Sean Locke Photography:
"So, iStock is lying when they say they are the only site hosting your images"
Yuri:
"No. They are not. Exclusive does not mean Istock only. It means partner sites as well. This can't be news."

Which I took as meaning, but in iStockNewSpeak, who knows what anything means, that somehow PeopleImages is now an iStock Partner Site. At least in some way iStockLawyer thinks will keep off misrepresentation lawsuits.

I'm not talking about the company being exclusive.  I'm talking about the representation that IS is 'the only site'.  That's just a lie.
Of course it is, but it's iStockNewSpeak.
Or the 'new kind of trust'.

« Reply #289 on: July 26, 2013, 08:31 »
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Lets' stop creating all this hype around him.

I actually just came to watch the circus.

XPTO

« Reply #290 on: July 26, 2013, 08:41 »
0
Lets' stop creating all this hype around him.

I actually just came to watch the circus.

LOOOOOOL!

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #291 on: July 26, 2013, 08:41 »
+1
Lets' stop creating all this hype around him.

I actually just came to watch the circus.
And did you see the chimps?


cuppacoffee

« Reply #292 on: July 26, 2013, 08:55 »
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I don't know about the chimps but the clowns are in abundance.

« Reply #293 on: July 26, 2013, 09:54 »
0
oh, maybe he's going to take them down, from the inside :D


Three minutes before to read your post I was thinking exactly the same.
Maybe he acts as a Trojan Horse, to better destroyed his main enemy from the inside :D

(I refer to the Story http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Horse not to the virus  :P )


My first thought last night when Yuri said "to wait 6 months and look back - he can't reveal all" [paraphrased] that he was making a deal to manage iStockphoto or to get investors to help him buy it out.

Yuri_Arcurs

  • One Crazy PhotoManic MadPerson
« Reply #294 on: July 26, 2013, 09:55 »
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Such a shame that 95% of this thread was wasted on bickering, quibbling and sniping. Yuri offered an opportunity for debate and it was wasted.

Regarding mobile phones, as I said in an earlier thread 'wake up and smell the coffee'.

And honestly, why on earth question Yuri's qualification and judgement of smart phone potential. Do you think he doesn't understand what competing with a DSLR requires?

Very True. I'm still here, but I have to focus on good questions and not "personal" attacks on my persona.

Yuri_Arcurs

  • One Crazy PhotoManic MadPerson
« Reply #295 on: July 26, 2013, 10:03 »
+2
Unfortunately it was overnight for me so missed the chance to join this conversation - an opportunity to question Yuri about his predictions for the future is not to be missed whether you agree with him or not!

I too strongly dislike the subs model at such low royalty rates, nothing has done more to commodify photography. I know some of you do well at SS, but I imagine diminishing returns are just round the corner.

Unfortunately I cannot place the trust in Getty that Yuri has done, even though they are my agent. Their actions towards their exclusive photographers have never been positive since they bought iStock, from the Vetta royalty rate cut, the RC system that's designed to limit the number of artists receiving semi-reasonable royalties, destruction of the referral system, flooding the library with wholly owned content and making new uploads worthless by skewing best match.

I guess Yuri may have negotiated a deal that overcomes some of these obstacles to success there, so good luck to him.

The real problem in this industry is low royalty percentages, they should be up at the 70-80% mark as they are in the Apple App Store to make a sustainable, healthy business and profits for everyone, agencies and copyright owners alike.

I'm not as sceptical as some of you about phone cameras. If tech-change over the past decade has shown us anything it's that disruption and amazing advances can and do happen. Who'd of thought I'd be shooting with a 36mp D800 a few years ago?

Seeing a great image, controlling light and being in position are pro photographer skills that are never going to go away, irrespective of the camera used and I for one would be grateful if I didn't have to carry 7kg of kit up Himalayan peaks any more!

I completely agree. If app store has 70% (because they want good content, Steve Jobs), then something is out of balance in our industry. Will it stay that way? Let's get a proper discussion going.

Ron

« Reply #296 on: July 26, 2013, 10:06 »
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Such a shame that 95% of this thread was wasted on bickering, quibbling and sniping. Yuri offered an opportunity for debate and it was wasted.

Regarding mobile phones, as I said in an earlier thread 'wake up and smell the coffee'.

And honestly, why on earth question Yuri's qualification and judgement of smart phone potential. Do you think he doesn't understand what competing with a DSLR requires?

Very True. I'm still here, but I have to focus on good questions and not "personal" attacks on my persona.

What was the purpose of your blog then?

At least you changed 35% to 45% to make it a 100%, so you took some feedback from here, thats a positive  ;)

« Reply #297 on: July 26, 2013, 10:07 »
+1
No, I mean that the entire collection will still be posted at peopleimages (which undercuts IS).  That contradicts the IS press release that IS is, and I quote:
"... now the only site where the Arcurs Collection of photo, video, audio and vector elements can be found."
He answered that one too, but only once he'd sat through iStock's "change the meaning of the English Language 101" course:
Sean Locke Photography:
"So, iStock is lying when they say they are the only site hosting your images"
Yuri:
"No. They are not. Exclusive does not mean Istock only. It means partner sites as well. This can't be news."

Which I took as meaning, but in iStockNewSpeak, who knows what anything means, that somehow PeopleImages is now an iStock Partner Site. At least in some way iStockLawyer thinks will keep off misrepresentation lawsuits.

I was thinking of iStock becoming a property of Yuri. But I think you are closer with this comment. Getty/iStock has bought Yuri, including his stock sales site and his collection. It certainly would be the Getty way to buy an agency and bring it under their roof. But as we see with iStock, the control of the collection, and especially the site, gets hammered by the eventual Getty management style. Yuri may be grabbing his money and getting ready to run - much like Bruce.

Ron

« Reply #298 on: July 26, 2013, 10:09 »
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I completely agree. If app store has 70% (because they want good content, Steve Jobs), then something is out of balance in our industry. Will it stay that way? Let's get a proper discussion going.

Ok, so 70-80% is a fair deal. What is the percentage you get at Getty then? Is it 20% 45% or more? Can you disclose that?

« Reply #299 on: July 26, 2013, 10:14 »
+11
"I completely agree. If app store has 70% (because they want good content, Steve Jobs), then something is out of balance in our industry. Will it stay that way? Let's get a proper discussion going."

So, a: why are you joining a company who has done nothing but lower rates to industry lows and b: what are you doing to ensure everyone here makes 70% on their work?


 

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