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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2012, 16:26 »
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Yes, it's something big "for him".  But the more power to him, nonetheless.  He has taken a love of something and turned it into a successful business.  Good for him.

He's hardly the first one to be successful because of a love of money, is he?

No but he certainly has gone from a point and shoot process to the most successful MS'r in the world.  I think that in and of itself differentiates what I was trying to say from your comments.

You don't seriously think he did it out of love for photography, do you? He saw a business opportunity and exploited it with unparalleled brilliance. His achievements are outstanding but they are primarily the achievements of a businessman.


« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2012, 16:50 »
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Yes, it's something big "for him".  But the more power to him, nonetheless.  He has taken a love of something and turned it into a successful business.  Good for him.

He's hardly the first one to be successful because of a love of money, is he?

No but he certainly has gone from a point and shoot process to the most successful MS'r in the world.  I think that in and of itself differentiates what I was trying to say from your comments.



You don't seriously think he did it out of love for photography, do you? He saw a business opportunity and exploited it with unparalleled brilliance. His achievements are outstanding but they are primarily the achievements of a businessman.

Seriously, you don't think he'd do it if he hated it do you? No disrespect, Paul, but most MS contributors would give their right nut to enjoy his kind of success....and to enjoy creating the product to boot (the love of photography, yes).  The only question I would ask is, if Yuri won the LOTTERY, say 10 million bucks (USD) clear after taxes, would he keep going with his photography business?  Perhaps not and in that context you'd be correct.  But I can't speak for Yuri and maybe he would keep doing it, who knows.
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2012, 17:44 »
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He is getting married

lisafx

« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2012, 17:48 »
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Seriously, you don't think he'd do it if he hated it do you? No disrespect, Paul, but most MS contributors would give their right nut to enjoy his kind of success....and to enjoy creating the product to boot (the love of photography, yes).  The only question I would ask is, if Yuri won the LOTTERY, say 10 million bucks (USD) clear after taxes, would he keep going with his photography business?  Perhaps not and in that context you'd be correct.  But I can't speak for Yuri and maybe he would keep doing it, who knows.

None of us can possibly know what's in someone else's head, but speaking for myself, producing around 7k microstock images over 7 years has definitely all but killed my "enjoyment" of photography.  And Yuri's produced probably 10 times that in the same space of time.  I would be very surprised if he has the same love of photography that he started with.  

His portfolio reflects a very workmanlike formula as well - more of an assembly line than an individualized labor of love.  I don't think anyone could possibly shoot that volume of repetitive business concepts, medical concepts, and cliches that stock demands, tens of thousands of times, and retain that initial passion for the art of photography.  Not in any way putting him down.  His success is to be admired, and it has certainly been emulated and envied.  IMO his portfolio says "business genius" more than "artistic genius".  

(BTW, not claiming I am some big artist either.  I shoot for business too, on a much smaller scale)  
« Last Edit: April 28, 2012, 17:50 by lisafx »

lisafx

« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2012, 17:48 »
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He is getting married

That's great!  Wishing him all the best :)

« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2012, 17:56 »
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He is getting married

That's great!  Wishing him all the best :)

Sorry Lisa, i am just kidding.

« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2012, 18:06 »
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Seriously, you don't think he'd do it if he hated it do you? No disrespect, Paul, but most MS contributors would give their right nut to enjoy his kind of success....and to enjoy creating the product to boot (the love of photography, yes).  The only question I would ask is, if Yuri won the LOTTERY, say 10 million bucks (USD) clear after taxes, would he keep going with his photography business?  Perhaps not and in that context you'd be correct.  But I can't speak for Yuri and maybe he would keep doing it, who knows.

None of us can possibly know what's in someone else's head, but speaking for myself, producing around 7k microstock images over 7 years has definitely all but killed my "enjoyment" of photography.  And Yuri's produced probably 10 times that in the same space of time.  I would be very surprised if he has the same love of photography that he started with.  

His portfolio reflects a very workmanlike formula as well - more of an assembly line than an individualized labor of love.  I don't think anyone could possibly shoot that volume of repetitive business concepts, medical concepts, and cliches that stock demands, tens of thousands of times, and retain that initial passion for the art of photography.  Not in any way putting him down.  His success is to be admired, and it has certainly been emulated and envied.  IMO his portfolio says "business genius" more than "artistic genius".  

(BTW, not claiming I am some big artist either.  I shoot for business too, on a much smaller scale)  

Probably so, Lisa, but the point I was making by my original comments was that he went after it and my hat is off to him.  Why? Because he took a product for which he was participating (MS) and was in it with a point and shoot.  He "liked" (I will refrain from love, here) it enough to take it to a level that moved him from a point and shooter to a hard core producer.  The reality is that you, Paul can justify whatever you want but you have to put it into perspective....let's take, oh, Ron Howard from Happy Days.  Do you think he has no love for his productions? It's a job, he is good at it and he started out knowing nothing but child acting.  As soon as he got the "itch" he has is now one of the most successful producers in the world. And it is indeed a business for which I am certain he also sees it that way.  I doubt he does it solely for the business.

Just my opinion, of course.

lisafx

« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2012, 18:06 »
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He is getting married

That's great!  Wishing him all the best :)

Sorry Lisa, i am just kidding.

Ooops!  I'm gullible, I guess :)

lisafx

« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2012, 18:22 »
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Probably so, Lisa, but the point I was making by my original comments was that he went after it and my hat is off to him.  Why? Because he took a product for which he was participating (MS) and was in it with a point and shoot.  He "liked" (I will refrain from love, here) it enough to take it to a level that moved him from a point and shooter to a hard core producer.  The reality is that you, Paul can justify whatever you want but you have to put it into perspective....let's take, oh, Ron Howard from Happy Days.  Do you think he has no love for his productions? It's a job, he is good at it and he started out knowing nothing but child acting.  As soon as he got the "itch" he has is now one of the most successful producers in the world. And it is indeed a business for which I am certain he also sees it that way.  I doubt he does it solely for the business.

Just my opinion, of course.

I love Ron Howard movies.  Of course, he has directed and or produced dozens of movies (couldn't find an exact number), not tens of thousands of them. ;) 

I probably shouldn't have jumped into what appears to have turned into a personal exchange between you and Baldrick.  

I think most folks in microstock who have been with it from early on started out as point-and-shooters, didn't they?  Yuri has certainly left the rest of us in the dust.  No doubt about it.  He's a massive success, and deserves props for getting there.  

Without putting you down or negating your opinion, I tend to agree with Baldrick that what has made him so successful is not that he loved photography any more than the rest did, but that he had exceptional business skills (and work ethic).  
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« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2012, 18:49 »
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Probably so, Lisa, but the point I was making by my original comments was that he went after it and my hat is off to him.  Why? Because he took a product for which he was participating (MS) and was in it with a point and shoot.  He "liked" (I will refrain from love, here) it enough to take it to a level that moved him from a point and shooter to a hard core producer.  The reality is that you, Paul can justify whatever you want but you have to put it into perspective....let's take, oh, Ron Howard from Happy Days.  Do you think he has no love for his productions? It's a job, he is good at it and he started out knowing nothing but child acting.  As soon as he got the "itch" he has is now one of the most successful producers in the world. And it is indeed a business for which I am certain he also sees it that way.  I doubt he does it solely for the business.

Just my opinion, of course.

I probably shouldn't have jumped into what appears to have turned into a personal exchange between you and Baldrick.  

We're just exchanging opinions. He is a good dude and I respect his viewpoints.  No harm in that.  Appreciate your input, too.

« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2012, 19:14 »
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 :-\ ummm I am confused, what will happen 3rd of May for Yuri Arcurs???? getting married, gettina a puppy, getting a TV show, start a new microstock agency?    Anyway I think his success is awesome and I could only aspire to become as talented as he is as a photographer and as a business person.

« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2012, 20:39 »
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:-\ ummm I am confused, what will happen 3rd of May for Yuri Arcurs???? getting married, gettina a puppy, getting a TV show, start a new microstock agency?    Anyway I think his success is awesome and I could only aspire to become as talented as he is as a photographer and as a business person.


no one knows.  It's all speculation based on a post that Yuri put on his facebook page. 
http://www.facebook.com/yuriarcurs

« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2012, 21:10 »
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I know now, he is getting Canon PowerShot G12 ;D

gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2012, 21:51 »
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He's getting a puppy?

Big mistake!  I got one in December and I hardly get any work done anymore ;D

lol, same here. We naively presumed our older dogs would train the new puppy into instant good behaviour.... nope! and he doesn't sit still long enough to photograph, what good is he?!

« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2012, 00:39 »
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I'm sure Yuri is thoroughly enjoying reading these pages, and the facebook pages filled with guessing and speculations  :D

« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2012, 01:44 »
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Seriously, you don't think he'd do it if he hated it do you? No disrespect, Paul, but most MS contributors would give their right nut to enjoy his kind of success....and to enjoy creating the product to boot (the love of photography, yes).  The only question I would ask is, if Yuri won the LOTTERY, say 10 million bucks (USD) clear after taxes, would he keep going with his photography business?  Perhaps not and in that context you'd be correct.  But I can't speak for Yuri and maybe he would keep doing it, who knows.

No, of course he doesn't hate it. He clearly revels in what he's doing, but look what he's got - money, power, fame, adulation, a following.... dammit, he's so revered he only has to say "I'll do something on May 3" and everyone goes weak at the knees! And he has deliberately created all that because he likes it and it serves his interests. Compare that with Andres Rodriguez who doesn't go out of his way to market himself.

I'm absolutely certain Yuri wouldn't give up his business if he won 10 million. He could almost certainly shut up shop today, sell everything and have $10m from his continuing sales - if he hasn't already go that in the bank. But what would he do then ... become a "where are they now" forgotten celebrity?

I guess the difference between you and me is that I am much more cynical about people's motives for things.

The reason I posted in the first place is that I really don't understand why you cared enough to want Yuri to be even more successful, rich and famous than he already is. He strikes me as being a bit of a false god.

« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2012, 02:49 »
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He's good at marketing. I often see him getting stick in this forum. However, I've never seen anything he's said or done that's offended me, and I think that the criticism he gets is often undeserved. I once asked him if could quote him in a blog post I did, the quote was potentially contentious (the agency in question probably wouldn't like it), it was a direct reference to how low commissions are these days. I appreciated that he put himself on the line to an extent, to say what he said in the first place and allow me to quote him.   


« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2012, 03:17 »
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No - I think Jesper, the most downloaded man in the world is getting married.
Yuri must be his best man.

« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2012, 04:18 »
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No - I think Jesper, the most downloaded man in the world is getting married.
Yuri must be his best man.

I wonder if the wedding tog will be able to get them to sign model releases  ;D

Microbius

« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2012, 04:38 »
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He's good at marketing. I often see him getting stick in this forum. However, I've never seen anything he's said or done that's offended me, and I think that the criticism he gets is often undeserved. I once asked him if could quote him in a blog post I did, the quote was potentially contentious (the agency in question probably wouldn't like it), it was a direct reference to how low commissions are these days. I appreciated that he put himself on the line to an extent, to say what he said in the first place and allow me to quote him.   
Honestly I don't think he does get a lot of stick, what happens here is we tend to try and analyse things from the perspective of being industry insiders. This usually involves questioning motives and so on. For my part it isn't that I think ill of him or anything at all like that, I have the utmost respect for his skill as a business man and as a stock photographer. It's just that when you are looking at things from the perceptive of also being contributors you don't take marketing at face value, but try to look further into what is going on, which of course the person doing the marketing would rather you didn't do, the whole point of marketing is that you are trying to propagandize your product and show it in a certain light. Nothing wrong with what he is doing or what we are doing by discussing and speculating as far as I'm concerned.

« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2012, 04:49 »
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I thought the purpose of marketing was to get noticed, which he does with a vengeance. I doubt if he is bothered too much about what we say as long as we keep talking about him.

« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2012, 05:09 »
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Honestly I don't think he does get a lot of stick..

I was referring to what BT said in reply No. 40. Yes it's an analysis too. The guy is famous, he is so largely because of the way he is. Famous people are so because of the way they are as well as what they do. It works for him. He found a formula and he sticks to it. Good on him, I say. Anyway, as BT says we're 'talking about him', and analysis and stick goes with the position. The agency DP constantly got stick, but it never stopped them growing. It's if the talk stops then those that are successful would really start worrying.   

rubyroo

« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2012, 07:11 »
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This kind of hype bores the pants off me... but for those who are desperate to know, it's only a few days to wait, so why speculate?
 

« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2012, 07:15 »
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No - I think Jesper, the most downloaded man in the world is getting married.
Yuri must be his best man.

I wonder if the wedding tog will be able to get them to sign model releases  ;D

I thought Fernando will be the wedding tog, since Jesper wants an original and very well produced set of photos  ;)

« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2012, 08:01 »
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Without putting you down or negating your opinion, I tend to agree with Baldrick that what has made him so successful is not that he loved photography any more than the rest did, but that he had exceptional business skills (and work ethic).  

And money.


 

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