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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2017, 12:05 »
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Well, 30 people for one day, maybe 100 each, and she might get 50-100 clips from that. Plus location costs and production team.

Let's say 4,000 for 50 quality clips. 80 per clip to produce. She makes that back very quickly.


« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2017, 12:08 »
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Well, 30 people for one day, maybe 100 each, and she might get 50-100 clips from that. Plus location costs and production team.

Let's say 4,000 for 50 quality clips. 80 per clip to produce. She makes that back very quickly.

well 50 60 download. all so easy?


« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2017, 12:09 »
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well 50 60 download. all so easy?

Not easy for the average producer, but she sells many of her clips several times per day.

« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2017, 12:18 »
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Do you think she has company or she is registered as hobby job or something like this which is possible in my country.

« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2017, 12:35 »
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Do you think she has company or she is registered as hobby job or something like this which is possible in my country.

hobby?
she's a house of production. probably she has 4 5 people full time...i watch some clips to find inspiration and not a single one is a snapshot. in my opinion most of her shooting produce maximum 20 clip 30 clips. every clip seems planned and probably to have one clip she shoot it 5 10 times, like a film.well great approach but in a market where everybody copy each other and everybody is uploading like crazy i don't know the future...even yuri archers who made millions first year move from expensive denmark to south africa,...

« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2017, 12:40 »
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well 50 60 download. all so easy?

Not easy for the average producer, but she sells many of her clips several times per day.

u look video expert...what camera u suggest...i am photographer and i use only pentax camera , k1 and 645d and z nowadays with plenty of pentax lenses plus ricoh gr.....but i'm not satisfied by video, mostly for lack of 4k and frame per second. i shoot drone with go pro and i have also a s800evo for photo...i plan to buy a gh4 used and add the gh5, to use with my glasses adapted and native glass. or better move to sony a7? i also like the black magic for guerrilla type video but it looks to have so many limits.
and i want buy a small powerful light led video kit. what you suggest?

« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2017, 12:41 »
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Where do you see how much he has sold ?

You can't, Pond5 thankfully got rid of that tool. It's great IMO, I did look at how many sales some clips had made but at the end of the day it stops copy cats. People need to be creative and not copy others.

« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2017, 14:27 »
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Where do you see how much he has sold ?

You can't, Pond5 thankfully got rid of that tool. It's great IMO, I did look at how many sales some clips had made but at the end of the day it stops copy cats. People need to be creative and not copy others.

Yes, you can, if the producer has high priced clips.

« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2017, 14:32 »
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u look video expert...what camera u suggest...i am photographer and i use only pentax camera , k1 and 645d and z nowadays with plenty of pentax lenses plus ricoh gr.....but i'm not satisfied by video, mostly for lack of 4k and frame per second. i shoot drone with go pro and i have also a s800evo for photo...i plan to buy a gh4 used and add the gh5, to use with my glasses adapted and native glass. or better move to sony a7? i also like the black magic for guerrilla type video but it looks to have so many limits.
and i want buy a small powerful light led video kit. what you suggest?

I am absolutely not a video expert, I just like keeping track of data, but the GH4 is probably the cheapest way to get high quality 4k footage. Of course it's not as good in low light as the Sony, but it does everything else really well. The GH5 will of course be a couple steps better, but at more than double the price.

A flip-out screen is VERY valuable when it comes to filming, and it's a shame that so many cameras don't have it (5D mk III/IV)... The Sony only has a tilt screen which is not good enough... There are MANY situations when you want to film close to the ground or really high up and that flip-out screen really helps.

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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2017, 19:34 »
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I don't know how much content this guy sells and it isn't my business but looking through his portfolio and wow here is someone who is setting a trend and not a sheep following other sheep doing the same things.

Definitely, definitely the most interesting, unique and niche stock video collection I have come across ever and what he shoots is "real", nothing set up or looking stock-like.

One of the better collections too and for those that think it's easy, have a second look, it's not easy at all to get what he gets. I plan to make sure everyone at my company is aware of this portfolio so we can go through it and see if there is anything we can use and to pass it on to others.  The cost to set up some of these shots would be astronomical and he is giving them away for $200 a clip?.

He is thinking outside the box and doing what no one else is doing. Bravo!

 

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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2017, 23:32 »
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He was actually on this forum before. I think he was a student.

« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2017, 08:01 »
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I don't know how much content this guy sells and it isn't my business but looking through his portfolio and wow here is someone who is setting a trend and not a sheep following other sheep doing the same things.

Definitely, definitely the most interesting, unique and niche stock video collection I have come across ever and what he shoots is "real", nothing set up or looking stock-like.

One of the better collections too and for those that think it's easy, have a second look, it's not easy at all to get what he gets. I plan to make sure everyone at my company is aware of this portfolio so we can go through it and see if there is anything we can use and to pass it on to others.  The cost to set up some of these shots would be astronomical and he is giving them away for $200 a clip?.

He is thinking outside the box and doing what no one else is doing. Bravo!

 

well i agree is a lot of work...he shoot editorial mostly..quality to me seems not so good...color and exposure often are off charts.
he shots anything available and works a lot...but difficult? difficult are the clip produce by top earners like hotelfoxtrot...those are amazingly difficult to produce...

« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2017, 08:53 »
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https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22561917/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

take a clip like this....how much u think it will cost?

at least 1500 pound.

another one. and she produce in brighton. maybe all thise people shoot free but i doubt.

Speaking of selling those kinds of videos, I just saw this clip:

https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22567918/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

in this video (1:42 in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdVvTAR6jow

« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2017, 09:22 »
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https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22561917/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

take a clip like this....how much u think it will cost?

at least 1500 pound.

another one. and she produce in brighton. maybe all thise people shoot free but i doubt.

Speaking of selling those kinds of videos, I just saw this clip:

https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22567918/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

in this video (1:42 in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdVvTAR6jow

it's nice to see...anywya i browse her video...very expensive production. in an industry with demising return and agency that from a day to another can lower your income of 50% well in my opinion in long run is not viable. i won't be surprised if at one moment she will go to shoot in another country.

« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2017, 09:24 »
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https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22561917/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

take a clip like this....how much u think it will cost?

at least 1500 pound.

another one. and she produce in brighton. maybe all thise people shoot free but i doubt.

Speaking of selling those kinds of videos, I just saw this clip:

https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22567918/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

in this video (1:42 in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdVvTAR6jow

32 people shooting.

« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2017, 09:28 »
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https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22561917/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

take a clip like this....how much u think it will cost?

at least 1500 pound.

another one. and she produce in brighton. maybe all thise people shoot free but i doubt.

Speaking of selling those kinds of videos, I just saw this clip:

https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22567918/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

in this video (1:42 in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdVvTAR6jow

it's nice to see...anywya i browse her video...very expensive production. in an industry with demising return and agency that from a day to another can lower your income of 50% well in my opinion in long run is not viable. i won't be surprised if at one moment she will go to shoot in another country.

anne leibovitz had a 1,5 million dollar contract with vanity fair but she fills bankrupt some years ago and was full of debt...cause she shoot portrait spending much more than what needed.
so not always having big sales, especially in an industry so competitive and with lower earning per sale, means a lot of earning.
32 people are useless...or u could even shoot 1000 to boost the ego...but 12 people and a tighter crop would have made the same results.

« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2017, 09:32 »
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Yes, but hotelfoxtrot shows up in common, simple searches like "happy people". She has very good search exposure and she could reduce spending to $0 today and still earn $50,000+ per month for years with that portfolio.

ShadySue

« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2017, 09:38 »
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anne leibovitz had a 1,5 million dollar contract with vanity fair but she fills bankrupt some years ago and was full of debt...cause she shoot portrait spending much more than what needed.

Alternatively, "...Leibovitz, 59, has managed to overstretch herself financially with a taste for lavish living. Faced with a history of unpaid bills and taxes, and heavy costs of renovating her Manhattan property ..."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6176168/Annie-Leibovitz-avoids-bankruptcy.html

« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2017, 09:40 »
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anne leibovitz had a 1,5 million dollar contract with vanity fair but she fills bankrupt some years ago and was full of debt...cause she shoot portrait spending much more than what needed.

Alternatively, "...Leibovitz, 59, has managed to overstretch herself financially with a taste for lavish living. Faced with a history of unpaid bills and taxes, and heavy costs of renovating her Manhattan property ..."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6176168/Annie-Leibovitz-avoids-bankruptcy.html


for sure she spend money for herself...but she also took for example stylist and make up who costed her 100000 dollar for a bunch of shooting.
my point is this kind of production are totally useless for this economy and i'm sure she will soon change perspective.
the micro stock industry in the next year will be flooded by content of this kind especially from easter europe where production like this cost 10% of what they cost in uk or italy or usa.
microstock is a war between poor.

« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2017, 10:04 »
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He was actually on this forum before. I think he was a student.

That's what I thought.  I remember looking at weather themed videos.

« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2017, 10:29 »
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for sure she spend money for herself...but she also took for example stylist and make up who costed her 100000 dollar for a bunch of shooting.

That is simply called reckless spending, not necessary production costs.

Anyone with an ounce of economic self-control and non-inflated ego will not put themselves in those situations.

Anyone can go broke if you start buying islands, but there is no way hotelfoxtrot spends more than $50,000 a month to make those shots. Or even remotely close.

« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2017, 10:38 »
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This person has a similar approach:
https://www.pond5.com/artist/patuwe97

Over 22,000 clips,  HD at $299 or $300.
A few hundred photos at $429.

I discovered their portfolio a few years ago and it was much smaller back then and the pricing was similar as now. If they have motivation to grow their port like this, I assume that this approach must be working, at least to some extent.

Definitely food for thought for all the people who think that a Peanut Vending Machine like Videohive/Envato is the pinnacle of stock video industry.

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« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2017, 10:47 »
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I don't think anyone thinks Envato are the 'pinnacle' of stock, it's just that a decent number of people that that they aren't the exact opposite of the pinnacle of stock!

If I had 22,000 item's there, compared to my current 315, then I'd probably be making about $1.65m a year. If that guy is making less than that, then maybe Envato is the pinnacle of stock. If he's making around the same, then maybe Envato aren't all that bad. If he's making considerably more than that, then maybe my faith in Envato is misguided.

« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2017, 10:56 »
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This person has a similar approach:
https://www.pond5.com/artist/patuwe97

Over 22,000 clips,  HD at $299 or $300.
A few hundred photos at $429.

I discovered their portfolio a few years ago and it was much smaller back then and the pricing was similar as now. If they have motivation to grow their port like this, I assume that this approach must be working, at least to some extent.

Definitely food for thought for all the people who think that a Peanut Vending Machine like Videohive/Envato is the pinnacle of stock video industry.

Well, the beauty of high-priced portfolios like this is that you can see how much they sell at P5. And we're talking 1-5 sales per week.

To me, that is just incredibly BAD for a portfolio of 22,000. The prices are too high.

Is $8-25 too low? Yes. But $199-429 for HD or photos is also too high to maximize revenue today.

They're shooting themselves in the foot with those prices. I think around $49 to maybe $99 is what you should be aiming for with high quality clips if you want to maximize revenue.

« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2017, 10:58 »
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This person has a similar approach:
https://www.pond5.com/artist/patuwe97

Over 22,000 clips,  HD at $299 or $300.
A few hundred photos at $429.

I discovered their portfolio a few years ago and it was much smaller back then and the pricing was similar as now. If they have motivation to grow their port like this, I assume that this approach must be working, at least to some extent.

Definitely food for thought for all the people who think that a Peanut Vending Machine like Videohive/Envato is the pinnacle of stock video industry.

yes but this portfolio and the other cost practically zero..a camera, not even a good one considering the video quality, and just be in a place...most editorial. so it makes sense to price high...probably they won't sell many video anyway so better try to sell one or two instead of 12...hotelfoxtrot has a cost per video that she cannot only hope to sell 10 video..she needs or bank won't wait a lot to take her house:)


 

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