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« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2017, 11:02 »
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This person has a similar approach:
https://www.pond5.com/artist/patuwe97

Over 22,000 clips,  HD at $299 or $300.
A few hundred photos at $429.

I discovered their portfolio a few years ago and it was much smaller back then and the pricing was similar as now. If they have motivation to grow their port like this, I assume that this approach must be working, at least to some extent.

Definitely food for thought for all the people who think that a Peanut Vending Machine like Videohive/Envato is the pinnacle of stock video industry.

Well, the beauty of high-priced portfolios like this is that you can see how much they sell at P5. And we're talking 1-5 sales per week.

To me, that is just incredibly BAD for a portfolio of 22,000. The prices are too high.

Is $8-25 too low? Yes. But $199-429 for HD or photos is also too high to maximize revenue today.

They're shooting themselves in the foot with those prices. I think around $49 to maybe $99 is what you should be aiming for with high quality clips if you want to maximize revenue.

in my opinion those portfolio simply show one things...microstock is for uploading anything, any quality , an even so you can have a living...i really had some video from editorial, that are much better quality compared to those i seem, and really i have never thought i could have uploaded and earn money,....i never considered video, and really i'm feeling so bad to have lose so much money.
in the last link i watched some video...most of them shake like crazy. they look so amateur...look like done by a phone, but an old one...i'm extremely surprised to see such a quality. really. both in photos and video there is so many poor content that makes me upload lal my hard disk:))


« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2017, 11:06 »
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This person has a similar approach:
https://www.pond5.com/artist/patuwe97

Over 22,000 clips,  HD at $299 or $300.
A few hundred photos at $429.

I discovered their portfolio a few years ago and it was much smaller back then and the pricing was similar as now. If they have motivation to grow their port like this, I assume that this approach must be working, at least to some extent.

Definitely food for thought for all the people who think that a Peanut Vending Machine like Videohive/Envato is the pinnacle of stock video industry.

Well, the beauty of high-priced portfolios like this is that you can see how much they sell at P5. And we're talking 1-5 sales per week.

To me, that is just incredibly BAD for a portfolio of 22,000. The prices are too high.

Is $8-25 too low? Yes. But $199-429 for HD or photos is also too high to maximize revenue today.

They're shooting themselves in the foot with those prices. I think around $49 to maybe $99 is what you should be aiming for with high quality clips if you want to maximize revenue.

man...5000 dollar for 22000 amateurish video? for me is unbelievable really.....i will began doing video like crazy....

i am very picky with my work, both photo and video....even a bit of shake make me garbage my work....but wow i saw some video and i'm amazed how poorly they are done...not even buying a camera with in body stabilization...probably they shoot with some canon real an consumer glass.....that's why every body is doing micro in eastern europe ....if somebody can earn 5000 dollar months with these video....

https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/152776/china-hong-kong-social-apartment-housing-estate.html

i mean this video i would be ashamed to show to my mother....i must begin being less picky...

« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2017, 11:08 »
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It takes many years to upload 22,000 clips...

« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2017, 11:13 »
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It takes many years to upload 22,000 clips...

yes sure...and i never did video only photos...i work on a backlog of 200000 photos:)...and sicovered already 100 video time-lapse and other stuff that i will upload to see what happen.
anyway i'm really amazed to see people spending money in such quality...400 dollar per video..unbielevable. i'm eating my hands to not have considered video...by the way wanted to buy a stabilizer bought for iPhone and camera...but watching these video makes me really think if it's necessary.

« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2017, 11:15 »
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It takes many years to upload 22,000 clips...

but i'm a hard worker...if i want i can produce 22000 video in less than a year:) one day in a capital like hong kong or bangkok i really can produce a lot of editorial.

« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2017, 11:59 »
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but i'm a hard worker...if i want i can produce 22000 video in less than a year:) one day in a capital like hong kong or bangkok i really can produce a lot of editorial.

I would call you Superman if you even did 5,000 clips in one year.  ;D

Just think about the upload time alone to 4 agencies.

Average clip: 300 MB (conservative, I have many 1 GB+ clips) times 4 agencies = 1.2 GB per clip.

5,000 clips means 6,000 GB upload. That's 16 GB per day, every day. It's doable on a fast connection of course and if you work every day for 12-14 hours it might be possible to get 5,000 clips up (only HD, if 4k we're talking 4x the size).

22,000 quality clips in one year for one person. I don't think so. With good tagging? Absolutely not.

If you have a team of people (like hotelfoxtrot for example, that's not just 1 person, that's a whole team of uploaders/taggers/planners) it might be doable.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2017, 12:08 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2017, 12:05 »
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but i'm a hard worker...if i want i can produce 22000 video in less than a year:) one day in a capital like hong kong or bangkok i really can produce a lot of editorial.

I would call you Superman if you even did 5,000 clips in one year.

Just think about the upload time alone to 4 agencies.

Average clip: 300 MB (conservative, I have many 1 GB+ clips) times 4 agencies = 1.2 GB per clip.

5,000 clips means 6,000 GB upload. That's 16 GB per day, every day. It's doable on a fast connection of course and if you work every day for 12-14 hours it might be possible to get 5,000 clips up (only HD, if 4k we're talking 4x the size).

22,000 quality clips in one year for one person. I don't think so. With good tagging? Absolutely not.

If you have a team of people (like hotelfoxtrot for example, that's not just 1 person, that's a whole team of uploaders/taggers/planners) it might be doable.

you right.

« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2017, 12:26 »
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Also keep in mind that tagging and content is more important than number of clips and often image/production quality too (depends). Editorial content doesn't have to be top quality, it can be shaky 480p with wind noise if it's from the right event/disaster/place, but commercial footage needs to look better.

weathernews with 39,000 clips is in fact now going over all of his clips to fix his bad tagging, he said so himself. So it's better to do it right from the start.

op

« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2017, 07:50 »
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This person has a similar approach:
https://www.pond5.com/artist/patuwe97

Over 22,000 clips,  HD at $299 or $300.
A few hundred photos at $429.

I discovered their portfolio a few years ago and it was much smaller back then and the pricing was similar as now. If they have motivation to grow their port like this, I assume that this approach must be working, at least to some extent.

Definitely food for thought for all the people who think that a Peanut Vending Machine like Videohive/Envato is the pinnacle of stock video industry.

Well, the beauty of high-priced portfolios like this is that you can see how much they sell at P5. And we're talking 1-5 sales per week.

To me, that is just incredibly BAD for a portfolio of 22,000. The prices are too high.

Is $8-25 too low? Yes. But $199-429 for HD or photos is also too high to maximize revenue today.

They're shooting themselves in the foot with those prices. I think around $49 to maybe $99 is what you should be aiming for with high quality clips if you want to maximize revenue.

Who can say something is too cheap or too expensive if it sells.. Those are also for specific use and even if there were priced for nothing, they would maybe not sell more. Actually there was a topic on this forum and if I remember well, it was actually this guy who created it and asked what was the value of his portfolio and what prices he should sell. He was selling for cheap and we advised him to at least give a try to raise his prices. He did try for few months and not only his sales didn't fall, it actually grew.

« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2017, 08:22 »
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Who can say something is too cheap or too expensive if it sells..

Well, 5 times $200 or 20 times $100? Or 100 times $50? Which would you prefer?

Those are also for specific use and even if there were priced for nothing, they would maybe not sell more. Actually there was a topic on this forum and if I remember well, it was actually this guy who created it and asked what was the value of his portfolio and what prices he should sell. He was selling for cheap and we advised him to at least give a try to raise his prices. He did try for few months and not only his sales didn't fall, it actually grew.

Of course there is no way of knowing with 100% security unless we study parallel universes with different pricing.

It's all about experimenting to find where you sacrifice the least sales with the highest return. If you think 4-5 sales per week on a portfolio of 39,000 is good, I will let you do that.

To me, that sounds incredibly, absurdly low, which means that a lowering of prices to, say $99, might have a positive effect on revenue.

Naturally, the subject matter might not have a demand of more than 5 sales per week, no matter the price, in which case they could be raised to $400 and still get 5 sales.

In my experience, however, I find that pricing just above average for clips that are regularly usable results in the biggest revenue. That communicates quality while not scaring away buyers.

For absolutely unique clips like stepping down into a volcano, naturally, the price could be higher.

I used to price 2-3 times the average price and I got sales pretty much every day. Now I price around average up to 1.5x average and I make 3 times more money. So that works out better for me at least.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2017, 08:39 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2017, 10:04 »
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The number of images is a red herring what matters is money in vs money out. I'm also not sure if it matters if someone else is making money other than interest and you will never know anyway!

« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2017, 10:30 »
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The number of images is a red herring what matters is money in vs money out. I'm also not sure if it matters if someone else is making money other than interest and you will never know anyway!
In the case of this guy you do know exactly how much he makes, as he posts constantly on P5 forum, several times a day. Also in P5 you can see how much people are selling in the Artist resource area.
Anyway, the $5,000 a month stated somewhere in this thread is an over estimation. He keeps saying constantly that he cannot afford a 4k camera...


« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2017, 15:11 »
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http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/video-pricing/msg438640/#msg438640


Yes, I read that thread. He doesn't specify what "respectable levels" means there. Now they're priced at $200, but is that what he meant back then in 2015?

Anyway, do you still think it's nice to sell 5 clips per week when you have 39,000 in your portfolio? Even if they were $1,000 each I still think that's pretty bad. If I had 39,000 clips and they kept my current average I'd be looking at property in the Bahamas, Monaco and Malibu right now.

A more reasonable number would be at least 1% of your portfolio per month, or let's say even 0.5%. It's a long way up to 195...
« Last Edit: February 04, 2017, 15:16 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2017, 16:01 »
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In my experience, however, I find that pricing just above average for clips that are regularly usable results in the biggest revenue. That communicates quality while not scaring away buyers.


This is a good point. A very low price may imply inferior quality.
For some reason, I am afraid and reluctant to buy the cheapest wine that is available in the store.
(I don't go for the most expensive bottle, either.)

« Reply #65 on: February 04, 2017, 19:59 »
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I try to put a lot of effort into most of my footage, creating the highest quality possible because any garbage clip ive ever shot never sells. With that said, I found a fella with 39,000+ clips on pond 5 which doesnt impress me from the stuff i've seen. Do you think it's possible to make much money with such a gigantic catalog? https://www.pond5.com/artist/weathernews#1/2063

You simply (er...) have to match supply with demand ... sometimes we think about ourselves as artists. But we are simply suppliers of something. Customers need are what you have to check about. Then you can do quality, if needed.

Try for yourself: try and upload 10 files o that kind (subject and quality, keywording included) : if they sell better than your high quality footage ... you have your answer :-)

« Reply #66 on: February 04, 2017, 22:44 »
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If after 39 000 images he cannot afford 4k camera there is something wrong with his videos, probably people dont need so much snow storms :)

« Reply #67 on: February 04, 2017, 23:06 »
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By the way do you need to edit a lot your videos before you upload or you can upload straight away? At least for photos it takes me a lot of time to edit.

op

« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2017, 23:51 »
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http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/video-pricing/msg438640/#msg438640


Yes, I read that thread. He doesn't specify what "respectable levels" means there. Now they're priced at $200, but is that what he meant back then in 2015?

Anyway, do you still think it's nice to sell 5 clips per week when you have 39,000 in your portfolio? Even if they were $1,000 each I still think that's pretty bad. If I had 39,000 clips and they kept my current average I'd be looking at property in the Bahamas, Monaco and Malibu right now.

A more reasonable number would be at least 1% of your portfolio per month, or let's say even 0.5%. It's a long way up to 195...


Every portfolios are different.. He does event/editorial and based on his quality output, when on location during let's say a snow storm, he can make hundreds of videos in one or few days. Just go around and shoot everything where you see a lot of snow and people struggling basically. He also said that he shot most of those when he was student so that's the proof that that was not too demanding to even reach xx,xxx videos.

If he can make a living and he's satisfied with the money he's earning then there is no problem at all. And I'm pretty sure he can do thousands of footage a year when I would only do few hundred.

Stockvideo99

« Reply #69 on: February 07, 2017, 09:43 »
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I reviewed his portfolio in detail this weekend, he does actually have 39,000 clips but not very organized so if he is in fact a student I hope he isn't working in the campus library.

What I did noticed and I've already referred his profile to a couple of fellow producers is he does two things, his style seems to be to shoot long lens and take you there into the intensity and the reality of the event, everything I have seen so far is very real , he doesn't set up many shots,  it is FAR from polished work or fine art which makes him basically blazing his own trail and doing his own thing and something completely different than what most stock producers do.

He's basically turned the industry on it's head and with a little luck will break out ahead of the pack and leave everyone else behind and catching up, this of course if he gets things organized. So we must think before we knock his work, this guy might have just started a trend.  Thanks to the OP for positing this profile here, now I've got to get out and shoot in similar fashion.

We don't know if this was his plan or this is just how it came out, I compared his college student clips to others and you can't compare. If he was or is a student while building that collection then he sure was one of those that wasn't sitting around playing league of legends at every possible opportunity.  Not that there is anything wrong with playing league.

« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2017, 11:07 »
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I reviewed his portfolio in detail this weekend, he does actually have 39,000 clips but not very organized so if he is in fact a student I hope he isn't working in the campus library.

What I did noticed and I've already referred his profile to a couple of fellow producers is he does two things, his style seems to be to shoot long lens and take you there into the intensity and the reality of the event, everything I have seen so far is very real , he doesn't set up many shots,  it is FAR from polished work or fine art which makes him basically blazing his own trail and doing his own thing and something completely different than what most stock producers do.

He's basically turned the industry on it's head and with a little luck will break out ahead of the pack and leave everyone else behind and catching up, this of course if he gets things organized. So we must think before we knock his work, this guy might have just started a trend.  Thanks to the OP for positing this profile here, now I've got to get out and shoot in similar fashion.

We don't know if this was his plan or this is just how it came out, I compared his college student clips to others and you can't compare. If he was or is a student while building that collection then he sure was one of those that wasn't sitting around playing league of legends at every possible opportunity.  Not that there is anything wrong with playing league.

sorry but i don' see any trend really. most of these are shot anybody would garbage....the only point i see is :
 

even if you make poor quality stuff, even if you don't have the most professional equipment. upload everything with a minimum sense and you will manage to earn good money...
the point is that if all those people working freelance broadcasting or news, see this guy folio and know he can earn good money , they will upload all their stuff and we see 1 billion video in no less than a pair of years:)
that's why in the last year many are enjoying micro..producing thousand offshoot , even if poor made, makes anybody earns money, from low to high.

i was always picky uploading, keeping a lot of files and video in my hard disk but now I'm uploading 2000 files every month, and actually i see earning grows steadily months after months.

SpaceStockFootage

  • Space, Sci-Fi and Astronomy Related Stock Footage

« Reply #71 on: February 07, 2017, 13:26 »
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He's basically turned the industry on it's head

this guy might have just started a trend.

If five sales a month (from 29,000 clips) is turning the industry on its head, and starting a trend, then I'll stick with run of the mill stuff I think!

« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2017, 03:53 »
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I reviewed his portfolio in detail this weekend, he does actually have 39,000 clips but not very organized so if he is in fact a student I hope he isn't working in the campus library.

What I did noticed and I've already referred his profile to a couple of fellow producers is he does two things, his style seems to be to shoot long lens and take you there into the intensity and the reality of the event, everything I have seen so far is very real , he doesn't set up many shots,  it is FAR from polished work or fine art which makes him basically blazing his own trail and doing his own thing and something completely different than what most stock producers do.

He's basically turned the industry on it's head and with a little luck will break out ahead of the pack and leave everyone else behind and catching up, this of course if he gets things organized. So we must think before we knock his work, this guy might have just started a trend.  Thanks to the OP for positing this profile here, now I've got to get out and shoot in similar fashion.

We don't know if this was his plan or this is just how it came out, I compared his college student clips to others and you can't compare. If he was or is a student while building that collection then he sure was one of those that wasn't sitting around playing league of legends at every possible opportunity.  Not that there is anything wrong with playing league.

He used to be an ENG cameraman but lost a lot of work due to TV stations cutting budgets etc - I know this because he posts constantly on the P5 forums. He certainly hasn't turned the industry on it's head, he's just spent a lot of time shooting everything on his doorstep which in reality is very easily replicated by anyone with a camera. Given the size of his portfolio he should be making A LOT more than he currently is - loads and loads of duplicate clips probably don't help his cause.

And yeah he mentioned he can't afford to upgrade to 4K so that says something...

« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2017, 08:10 »
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I reviewed his portfolio in detail this weekend, he does actually have 39,000 clips but not very organized so if he is in fact a student I hope he isn't working in the campus library.

What I did noticed and I've already referred his profile to a couple of fellow producers is he does two things, his style seems to be to shoot long lens and take you there into the intensity and the reality of the event, everything I have seen so far is very real , he doesn't set up many shots,  it is FAR from polished work or fine art which makes him basically blazing his own trail and doing his own thing and something completely different than what most stock producers do.

He's basically turned the industry on it's head and with a little luck will break out ahead of the pack and leave everyone else behind and catching up, this of course if he gets things organized. So we must think before we knock his work, this guy might have just started a trend.  Thanks to the OP for positing this profile here, now I've got to get out and shoot in similar fashion.

We don't know if this was his plan or this is just how it came out, I compared his college student clips to others and you can't compare. If he was or is a student while building that collection then he sure was one of those that wasn't sitting around playing league of legends at every possible opportunity.  Not that there is anything wrong with playing league.

He used to be an ENG cameraman but lost a lot of work due to TV stations cutting budgets etc - I know this because he posts constantly on the P5 forums. He certainly hasn't turned the industry on it's head, he's just spent a lot of time shooting everything on his doorstep which in reality is very easily replicated by anyone with a camera. Given the size of his portfolio he should be making A LOT more than he currently is - loads and loads of duplicate clips probably don't help his cause.

And yeah he mentioned he can't afford to upgrade to 4K so that says something...

i completely agree...if the makes 5000 dollar with this stuff really all the world will sign to become ea micro stock contributor don't spread the news...if he makes 1000 dollar is enough

SpaceStockFootage

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« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2017, 10:02 »
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I reviewed his portfolio in detail this weekend, he does actually have 39,000 clips but not very organized so if he is in fact a student I hope he isn't working in the campus library.

What I did noticed and I've already referred his profile to a couple of fellow producers is he does two things, his style seems to be to shoot long lens and take you there into the intensity and the reality of the event, everything I have seen so far is very real , he doesn't set up many shots,  it is FAR from polished work or fine art which makes him basically blazing his own trail and doing his own thing and something completely different than what most stock producers do.

He's basically turned the industry on it's head and with a little luck will break out ahead of the pack and leave everyone else behind and catching up, this of course if he gets things organized. So we must think before we knock his work, this guy might have just started a trend.  Thanks to the OP for positing this profile here, now I've got to get out and shoot in similar fashion.

We don't know if this was his plan or this is just how it came out, I compared his college student clips to others and you can't compare. If he was or is a student while building that collection then he sure was one of those that wasn't sitting around playing league of legends at every possible opportunity.  Not that there is anything wrong with playing league.

He used to be an ENG cameraman but lost a lot of work due to TV stations cutting budgets etc - I know this because he posts constantly on the P5 forums. He certainly hasn't turned the industry on it's head, he's just spent a lot of time shooting everything on his doorstep which in reality is very easily replicated by anyone with a camera. Given the size of his portfolio he should be making A LOT more than he currently is - loads and loads of duplicate clips probably don't help his cause.

And yeah he mentioned he can't afford to upgrade to 4K so that says something...

i completely agree...if the makes 5000 dollar with this stuff really all the world will sign to become ea micro stock contributor don't spread the news...if he makes 1000 dollar is enough

I can't see it. Depends how you word it I guess.

"Hey, if you buy a DSLR, go out and shoot a video, and upload it to Pond5, you'll make 17 cents for it every month! If you shoot two videos, you'll get 34 cents... and so on and so forth."

...is unlikely to get the entire planet itching to sign up!


 

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