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« on: February 01, 2017, 02:05 »
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I try to put a lot of effort into most of my footage, creating the highest quality possible because any garbage clip ive ever shot never sells. With that said, I found a fella with 39,000+ clips on pond 5 which doesnt impress me from the stuff i've seen. Do you think it's possible to make much money with such a gigantic catalog? https://www.pond5.com/artist/weathernews#1/2063


« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2017, 02:48 »
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I would say he makes a good living out of stock. Huge amount of work has gone into producing 39000 weather/environmental clips, which is a very relevant subject area I'd say.

« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2017, 05:38 »
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I think he earns good amount of money.. I saw his clips many times when I visited P5 resources page>best this month

« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2017, 06:20 »
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Actually It's one of the most interesting footage portfolios I've ever seen.

« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2017, 06:29 »
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He is very active at the P5 forums so you can go there are read all about it.

I would say 39,000 of those clips would equal 1,000 corporate style/commercial people clips. So, lots and lots of work but at 39,000 you can make a living.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2017, 08:11 by increasingdifficulty »

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2017, 06:56 »
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I make a maximum of $334 a month from 135 files. So if he sells the same as me per clip, then he might be making $1,157,000 a year. And even if he sells ten times less than me... he's still getting $115,700 a year. Not too shabby!

« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2017, 07:40 »
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I guess its time to switch to videos :D

EDIT: Wait, in video clips isnt property also protected, I see brands of cars, plates etc...
Or he submit it as editorial?
« Last Edit: February 01, 2017, 07:43 by nadalbg »

« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2017, 08:13 »
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I make a maximum of $334 a month from 135 files. So if he sells the same as me per clip, then he might be making $1,157,000 a year. And even if he sells ten times less than me... he's still getting $115,700 a year. Not too shabby!

Read the P5 forums. He doesn't come close. Not at P5 at least. He seems to have many days without any sales at all. But in total (VB, Fotolia etc.) I'm sure he's somewhat comfortable.

Just imagine the time spent to get to 39,000 though...

« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2017, 08:13 »
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I guess its time to switch to videos :D

EDIT: Wait, in video clips isnt property also protected, I see brands of cars, plates etc...
Or he submit it as editorial?

Same rules as images of course. Yes, most are editorial. News, documentaries etc. You don't use stormy weather clips as much in commercials...

« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2017, 08:27 »
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the lesson everything learnt micro stock u can upload everything and earn...don-t be too picky...i upload everything even those file that are made for garbage of my mac...and u know i see sign of increasing download day after day....i never considered video but i-m beginning too. i have many drone footage to upload....i never considered those sellable but i-m too picky and hard with my work, considered the kind of footage sold in pond 5

« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2017, 08:57 »
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the lesson everything learnt micro stock u can upload everything and earn...don-t be too picky...i upload everything even those file that are made for garbage of my mac...and u know i see sign of increasing download day after day....i never considered video but i-m beginning too. i have many drone footage to upload....i never considered those sellable but i-m too picky and hard with my work, considered the kind of footage sold in pond 5

Will some cheap camera for 1000$ be good for microstock videos, I am not willing to invest 6000$ into the better models?

« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2017, 09:02 »
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the lesson everything learnt micro stock u can upload everything and earn...don-t be too picky...i upload everything even those file that are made for garbage of my mac...and u know i see sign of increasing download day after day....i never considered video but i-m beginning too. i have many drone footage to upload....i never considered those sellable but i-m too picky and hard with my work, considered the kind of footage sold in pond 5

Will some cheap camera for 1000$ be good for microstock videos, I am not willing to invest 6000$ into the better models?

anything will be good. i don't think right now anybody in micro sock agency cares about quality.
1000 you can buy a used gh4. adapt or buy some lens is cheap. save for a video tripod and monopod...go out of home and shoot everything, from dog pet cat to car...in one day you can do if you live in big city 10000 clip of 10 second and if correct earn money...think also everybody will do this so we reach 1 billion video in less than 5 months.

« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2017, 09:16 »
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the lesson everything learnt micro stock u can upload everything and earn...don-t be too picky...i upload everything even those file that are made for garbage of my mac...and u know i see sign of increasing download day after day....i never considered video but i-m beginning too. i have many drone footage to upload....i never considered those sellable but i-m too picky and hard with my work, considered the kind of footage sold in pond 5

Will some cheap camera for 1000$ be good for microstock videos, I am not willing to invest 6000$ into the better models?

anything will be good. i don't think right now anybody in micro sock agency cares about quality.
1000 you can buy a used gh4. adapt or buy some lens is cheap. save for a video tripod and monopod...go out of home and shoot everything, from dog pet cat to car...in one day you can do if you live in big city 10000 clip of 10 second and if correct earn money...think also everybody will do this so we reach 1 billion video in less than 5 months.

I live in city of 40 000 but I travel to Jakarta regulary, there is a lot of material there, floodings, traffic, street food sellers, misery, skyscrapers, whatever you want, its there.

« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2017, 10:38 »
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...if he sells ten times less than me... he's still getting $115,700 a year. Not too shabby!

You don't need 39,000+ videos to make $115K per year.

« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2017, 11:11 »
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He has sold 4 clips at Pond5 this last week for a total of $400 commission. He is also in the membership program where I have no idea how much you can sell for...

Anyway, let's do some quick math here - 16 regular sales per month on 39,000 clips is, well, quite low.

My guess is around $2-3,000 per month from Pond5. Then maybe around as much from the other agencies combined. Let's say $7,000 per month.

Definitely decent money but the return per clip isn't something to write home about...

There seems to be 15-20 near duplicates of many of the clips which means that the actual number of unique clips is probably closer to 2,500-4,000.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2017, 11:13 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2017, 11:16 »
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Where do you see how much he has sold ?

« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2017, 11:18 »
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Artist resources at P5. He prices everything at $199/200 so if he sells a clip it shows up in the list.

And before anyone asks, I also know that he only sold those clips once each, since I am also in that list and know how much you have to sell to be placed there in certain positions.

So, to sum up:

Is he making money? Yes.

Is he making good money compared to the size of his portfolio? No.

Skyworksrf, Ailaimages, viafilms, hotelfoxtrot etc. are the ones actually making lots of money from footage at Pond5.

I remember reading in an interview that hotelfoxtrot often makes around $20-30,000 or so from Pond5 per month. But she also spends $1,000 or so for the production of a handful of clips (NYC aerials for example, helicopter, RED camera, etc.).
« Last Edit: February 01, 2017, 11:30 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2017, 11:49 »
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Artist resources at P5. He prices everything at $199/200 so if he sells a clip it shows up in the list.

And before anyone asks, I also know that he only sold those clips once each, since I am also in that list and know how much you have to sell to be placed there in certain positions.

So, to sum up:

Is he making money? Yes.

Is he making good money compared to the size of his portfolio? No.

Skyworksrf, Ailaimages, viafilms, hotelfoxtrot etc. are the ones actually making lots of money from footage at Pond5.

I remember reading in an interview that hotelfoxtrot often makes around $20-30,000 or so from Pond5 per month. But she also spends $1,000 or so for the production of a handful of clips (NYC aerials for example, helicopter, RED camera, etc.).

look  good money...but every video clip be sure cost a lot of money...professional model scout location red camera....the first guy probably don't pay nothing for footage just a camera. so it's all about return. sure she's producing quality stuff.

« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2017, 11:51 »
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I think her videos costa lot to produce, probably she spends 50% of the money on producment but its still good, considering the job is fun, its not like to work in office.

Do you have idea if nature and travel videos sell good? I'm able to visit a lot of unique places in the tropics.

« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2017, 11:51 »
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Artist resources at P5. He prices everything at $199/200 so if he sells a clip it shows up in the list.

And before anyone asks, I also know that he only sold those clips once each, since I am also in that list and know how much you have to sell to be placed there in certain positions.

So, to sum up:

Is he making money? Yes.

Is he making good money compared to the size of his portfolio? No.

Skyworksrf, Ailaimages, viafilms, hotelfoxtrot etc. are the ones actually making lots of money from footage at Pond5.

I remember reading in an interview that hotelfoxtrot often makes around $20-30,000 or so from Pond5 per month. But she also spends $1,000 or so for the production of a handful of clips (NYC aerials for example, helicopter, RED camera, etc.).

anyway if we look at numbers 20 k with 55000 quality video clip looks like 0,5 dollar per clip at month....well not a great rpc....even for a producer of super clips....so everything returns to the same point...quantity is the real force of micro stock, without giant number of production you can have alla the quality stuff but earning will be low.

« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2017, 11:54 »
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I think her videos costa lot to produce, probably she spends 50% of the money on producment but its still good, considering the job is fun, its not like to work in office.

Do you have idea if nature and travel videos sell good? I'm able to visit a lot of unique places in the tropics.

well it needs a lot of works..sure is not office but in my opinion it's fun sometimes but a lot of stress production, personally i worked very low in the last 10 years....travel a lot enjoy my time....this woman in 5 years produced 55000 clips...probably she worked 12 hours day saturday sunday included. she's a business producer...everything is organized. i quit my day job 10 years ago to be free.

« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2017, 11:56 »
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anyway if we look at numbers 20 k with 55000 quality video clip looks like 0,5 dollar per clip at month....well not a great rpc....even for a producer of super clips....so everything returns to the same point...quantity is the real force of micro stock, without giant number of production you can have alla the quality stuff but earning will be low.

Well, I think her total is probably closer to $60-80,000 per month from all sites. Her clips are in the top on most sites. So maybe $1.5 per clip per month is a realistic figure.

Still not that great since I get around $2 per clip per month and I don't have anything in the corporate/people/aerial categories at all!

« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2017, 11:58 »
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https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22561917/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

take a clip like this....how much u think it will cost?

at least 1500 pound.

« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2017, 12:00 »
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anyway if we look at numbers 20 k with 55000 quality video clip looks like 0,5 dollar per clip at month....well not a great rpc....even for a producer of super clips....so everything returns to the same point...quantity is the real force of micro stock, without giant number of production you can have alla the quality stuff but earning will be low.

Well, I think her total is probably closer to $60-80,000 per month from all sites. Her clips are in the top on most sites. So maybe $1.5 per clip per month is a realistic figure.

Still not that great since I get around $2 per clip per month and I don't have anything in the corporate/people/aerial categories at all!

well lot of money they seems...1000000 dollar year? personally i knew i should began video and this year i will...i have 4 drone:)) only used for photos never sold a video;((
yes i agree....th last video witht 30 professional model....how much she spend to produce this? one day of work not less than 5000 pound. this are production that look made for advertisement not micro stock...
she make 1 million but all those clips not costed less than million to  be done. only the helicopter stuff...cost 300 dollar 15 minutes...

« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2017, 12:02 »
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2017, 12:05 »
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Well, 30 people for one day, maybe 100 each, and she might get 50-100 clips from that. Plus location costs and production team.

Let's say 4,000 for 50 quality clips. 80 per clip to produce. She makes that back very quickly.

« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2017, 12:08 »
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Well, 30 people for one day, maybe 100 each, and she might get 50-100 clips from that. Plus location costs and production team.

Let's say 4,000 for 50 quality clips. 80 per clip to produce. She makes that back very quickly.

well 50 60 download. all so easy?


« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2017, 12:09 »
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well 50 60 download. all so easy?

Not easy for the average producer, but she sells many of her clips several times per day.

« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2017, 12:18 »
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Do you think she has company or she is registered as hobby job or something like this which is possible in my country.

« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2017, 12:35 »
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Do you think she has company or she is registered as hobby job or something like this which is possible in my country.

hobby?
she's a house of production. probably she has 4 5 people full time...i watch some clips to find inspiration and not a single one is a snapshot. in my opinion most of her shooting produce maximum 20 clip 30 clips. every clip seems planned and probably to have one clip she shoot it 5 10 times, like a film.well great approach but in a market where everybody copy each other and everybody is uploading like crazy i don't know the future...even yuri archers who made millions first year move from expensive denmark to south africa,...

« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2017, 12:40 »
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well 50 60 download. all so easy?

Not easy for the average producer, but she sells many of her clips several times per day.

u look video expert...what camera u suggest...i am photographer and i use only pentax camera , k1 and 645d and z nowadays with plenty of pentax lenses plus ricoh gr.....but i'm not satisfied by video, mostly for lack of 4k and frame per second. i shoot drone with go pro and i have also a s800evo for photo...i plan to buy a gh4 used and add the gh5, to use with my glasses adapted and native glass. or better move to sony a7? i also like the black magic for guerrilla type video but it looks to have so many limits.
and i want buy a small powerful light led video kit. what you suggest?

« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2017, 12:41 »
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Where do you see how much he has sold ?

You can't, Pond5 thankfully got rid of that tool. It's great IMO, I did look at how many sales some clips had made but at the end of the day it stops copy cats. People need to be creative and not copy others.

« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2017, 14:27 »
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Where do you see how much he has sold ?

You can't, Pond5 thankfully got rid of that tool. It's great IMO, I did look at how many sales some clips had made but at the end of the day it stops copy cats. People need to be creative and not copy others.

Yes, you can, if the producer has high priced clips.

« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2017, 14:32 »
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u look video expert...what camera u suggest...i am photographer and i use only pentax camera , k1 and 645d and z nowadays with plenty of pentax lenses plus ricoh gr.....but i'm not satisfied by video, mostly for lack of 4k and frame per second. i shoot drone with go pro and i have also a s800evo for photo...i plan to buy a gh4 used and add the gh5, to use with my glasses adapted and native glass. or better move to sony a7? i also like the black magic for guerrilla type video but it looks to have so many limits.
and i want buy a small powerful light led video kit. what you suggest?

I am absolutely not a video expert, I just like keeping track of data, but the GH4 is probably the cheapest way to get high quality 4k footage. Of course it's not as good in low light as the Sony, but it does everything else really well. The GH5 will of course be a couple steps better, but at more than double the price.

A flip-out screen is VERY valuable when it comes to filming, and it's a shame that so many cameras don't have it (5D mk III/IV)... The Sony only has a tilt screen which is not good enough... There are MANY situations when you want to film close to the ground or really high up and that flip-out screen really helps.

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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2017, 19:34 »
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I don't know how much content this guy sells and it isn't my business but looking through his portfolio and wow here is someone who is setting a trend and not a sheep following other sheep doing the same things.

Definitely, definitely the most interesting, unique and niche stock video collection I have come across ever and what he shoots is "real", nothing set up or looking stock-like.

One of the better collections too and for those that think it's easy, have a second look, it's not easy at all to get what he gets. I plan to make sure everyone at my company is aware of this portfolio so we can go through it and see if there is anything we can use and to pass it on to others.  The cost to set up some of these shots would be astronomical and he is giving them away for $200 a clip?.

He is thinking outside the box and doing what no one else is doing. Bravo!

 

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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2017, 23:32 »
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He was actually on this forum before. I think he was a student.

« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2017, 08:01 »
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I don't know how much content this guy sells and it isn't my business but looking through his portfolio and wow here is someone who is setting a trend and not a sheep following other sheep doing the same things.

Definitely, definitely the most interesting, unique and niche stock video collection I have come across ever and what he shoots is "real", nothing set up or looking stock-like.

One of the better collections too and for those that think it's easy, have a second look, it's not easy at all to get what he gets. I plan to make sure everyone at my company is aware of this portfolio so we can go through it and see if there is anything we can use and to pass it on to others.  The cost to set up some of these shots would be astronomical and he is giving them away for $200 a clip?.

He is thinking outside the box and doing what no one else is doing. Bravo!

 

well i agree is a lot of work...he shoot editorial mostly..quality to me seems not so good...color and exposure often are off charts.
he shots anything available and works a lot...but difficult? difficult are the clip produce by top earners like hotelfoxtrot...those are amazingly difficult to produce...

« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2017, 08:53 »
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https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22561917/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

take a clip like this....how much u think it will cost?

at least 1500 pound.

another one. and she produce in brighton. maybe all thise people shoot free but i doubt.

Speaking of selling those kinds of videos, I just saw this clip:

https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22567918/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

in this video (1:42 in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdVvTAR6jow

« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2017, 09:22 »
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https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22561917/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

take a clip like this....how much u think it will cost?

at least 1500 pound.

another one. and she produce in brighton. maybe all thise people shoot free but i doubt.

Speaking of selling those kinds of videos, I just saw this clip:

https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22567918/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

in this video (1:42 in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdVvTAR6jow

it's nice to see...anywya i browse her video...very expensive production. in an industry with demising return and agency that from a day to another can lower your income of 50% well in my opinion in long run is not viable. i won't be surprised if at one moment she will go to shoot in another country.

« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2017, 09:24 »
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https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22561917/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

take a clip like this....how much u think it will cost?

at least 1500 pound.

another one. and she produce in brighton. maybe all thise people shoot free but i doubt.

Speaking of selling those kinds of videos, I just saw this clip:

https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22567918/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

in this video (1:42 in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdVvTAR6jow

32 people shooting.

« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2017, 09:28 »
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https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22561917/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

take a clip like this....how much u think it will cost?

at least 1500 pound.

another one. and she produce in brighton. maybe all thise people shoot free but i doubt.

Speaking of selling those kinds of videos, I just saw this clip:

https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22567918/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html

in this video (1:42 in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdVvTAR6jow

it's nice to see...anywya i browse her video...very expensive production. in an industry with demising return and agency that from a day to another can lower your income of 50% well in my opinion in long run is not viable. i won't be surprised if at one moment she will go to shoot in another country.

anne leibovitz had a 1,5 million dollar contract with vanity fair but she fills bankrupt some years ago and was full of debt...cause she shoot portrait spending much more than what needed.
so not always having big sales, especially in an industry so competitive and with lower earning per sale, means a lot of earning.
32 people are useless...or u could even shoot 1000 to boost the ego...but 12 people and a tighter crop would have made the same results.

« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2017, 09:32 »
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Yes, but hotelfoxtrot shows up in common, simple searches like "happy people". She has very good search exposure and she could reduce spending to $0 today and still earn $50,000+ per month for years with that portfolio.

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« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2017, 09:38 »
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anne leibovitz had a 1,5 million dollar contract with vanity fair but she fills bankrupt some years ago and was full of debt...cause she shoot portrait spending much more than what needed.

Alternatively, "...Leibovitz, 59, has managed to overstretch herself financially with a taste for lavish living. Faced with a history of unpaid bills and taxes, and heavy costs of renovating her Manhattan property ..."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6176168/Annie-Leibovitz-avoids-bankruptcy.html

« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2017, 09:40 »
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anne leibovitz had a 1,5 million dollar contract with vanity fair but she fills bankrupt some years ago and was full of debt...cause she shoot portrait spending much more than what needed.

Alternatively, "...Leibovitz, 59, has managed to overstretch herself financially with a taste for lavish living. Faced with a history of unpaid bills and taxes, and heavy costs of renovating her Manhattan property ..."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6176168/Annie-Leibovitz-avoids-bankruptcy.html


for sure she spend money for herself...but she also took for example stylist and make up who costed her 100000 dollar for a bunch of shooting.
my point is this kind of production are totally useless for this economy and i'm sure she will soon change perspective.
the micro stock industry in the next year will be flooded by content of this kind especially from easter europe where production like this cost 10% of what they cost in uk or italy or usa.
microstock is a war between poor.

« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2017, 10:04 »
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He was actually on this forum before. I think he was a student.

That's what I thought.  I remember looking at weather themed videos.

« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2017, 10:29 »
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for sure she spend money for herself...but she also took for example stylist and make up who costed her 100000 dollar for a bunch of shooting.

That is simply called reckless spending, not necessary production costs.

Anyone with an ounce of economic self-control and non-inflated ego will not put themselves in those situations.

Anyone can go broke if you start buying islands, but there is no way hotelfoxtrot spends more than $50,000 a month to make those shots. Or even remotely close.

« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2017, 10:38 »
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This person has a similar approach:
https://www.pond5.com/artist/patuwe97

Over 22,000 clips,  HD at $299 or $300.
A few hundred photos at $429.

I discovered their portfolio a few years ago and it was much smaller back then and the pricing was similar as now. If they have motivation to grow their port like this, I assume that this approach must be working, at least to some extent.

Definitely food for thought for all the people who think that a Peanut Vending Machine like Videohive/Envato is the pinnacle of stock video industry.

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« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2017, 10:47 »
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I don't think anyone thinks Envato are the 'pinnacle' of stock, it's just that a decent number of people that that they aren't the exact opposite of the pinnacle of stock!

If I had 22,000 item's there, compared to my current 315, then I'd probably be making about $1.65m a year. If that guy is making less than that, then maybe Envato is the pinnacle of stock. If he's making around the same, then maybe Envato aren't all that bad. If he's making considerably more than that, then maybe my faith in Envato is misguided.

« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2017, 10:56 »
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This person has a similar approach:
https://www.pond5.com/artist/patuwe97

Over 22,000 clips,  HD at $299 or $300.
A few hundred photos at $429.

I discovered their portfolio a few years ago and it was much smaller back then and the pricing was similar as now. If they have motivation to grow their port like this, I assume that this approach must be working, at least to some extent.

Definitely food for thought for all the people who think that a Peanut Vending Machine like Videohive/Envato is the pinnacle of stock video industry.

Well, the beauty of high-priced portfolios like this is that you can see how much they sell at P5. And we're talking 1-5 sales per week.

To me, that is just incredibly BAD for a portfolio of 22,000. The prices are too high.

Is $8-25 too low? Yes. But $199-429 for HD or photos is also too high to maximize revenue today.

They're shooting themselves in the foot with those prices. I think around $49 to maybe $99 is what you should be aiming for with high quality clips if you want to maximize revenue.

« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2017, 10:58 »
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This person has a similar approach:
https://www.pond5.com/artist/patuwe97

Over 22,000 clips,  HD at $299 or $300.
A few hundred photos at $429.

I discovered their portfolio a few years ago and it was much smaller back then and the pricing was similar as now. If they have motivation to grow their port like this, I assume that this approach must be working, at least to some extent.

Definitely food for thought for all the people who think that a Peanut Vending Machine like Videohive/Envato is the pinnacle of stock video industry.

yes but this portfolio and the other cost practically zero..a camera, not even a good one considering the video quality, and just be in a place...most editorial. so it makes sense to price high...probably they won't sell many video anyway so better try to sell one or two instead of 12...hotelfoxtrot has a cost per video that she cannot only hope to sell 10 video..she needs or bank won't wait a lot to take her house:)

« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2017, 11:02 »
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This person has a similar approach:
https://www.pond5.com/artist/patuwe97

Over 22,000 clips,  HD at $299 or $300.
A few hundred photos at $429.

I discovered their portfolio a few years ago and it was much smaller back then and the pricing was similar as now. If they have motivation to grow their port like this, I assume that this approach must be working, at least to some extent.

Definitely food for thought for all the people who think that a Peanut Vending Machine like Videohive/Envato is the pinnacle of stock video industry.

Well, the beauty of high-priced portfolios like this is that you can see how much they sell at P5. And we're talking 1-5 sales per week.

To me, that is just incredibly BAD for a portfolio of 22,000. The prices are too high.

Is $8-25 too low? Yes. But $199-429 for HD or photos is also too high to maximize revenue today.

They're shooting themselves in the foot with those prices. I think around $49 to maybe $99 is what you should be aiming for with high quality clips if you want to maximize revenue.

in my opinion those portfolio simply show one things...microstock is for uploading anything, any quality , an even so you can have a living...i really had some video from editorial, that are much better quality compared to those i seem, and really i have never thought i could have uploaded and earn money,....i never considered video, and really i'm feeling so bad to have lose so much money.
in the last link i watched some video...most of them shake like crazy. they look so amateur...look like done by a phone, but an old one...i'm extremely surprised to see such a quality. really. both in photos and video there is so many poor content that makes me upload lal my hard disk:))

« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2017, 11:06 »
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This person has a similar approach:
https://www.pond5.com/artist/patuwe97

Over 22,000 clips,  HD at $299 or $300.
A few hundred photos at $429.

I discovered their portfolio a few years ago and it was much smaller back then and the pricing was similar as now. If they have motivation to grow their port like this, I assume that this approach must be working, at least to some extent.

Definitely food for thought for all the people who think that a Peanut Vending Machine like Videohive/Envato is the pinnacle of stock video industry.

Well, the beauty of high-priced portfolios like this is that you can see how much they sell at P5. And we're talking 1-5 sales per week.

To me, that is just incredibly BAD for a portfolio of 22,000. The prices are too high.

Is $8-25 too low? Yes. But $199-429 for HD or photos is also too high to maximize revenue today.

They're shooting themselves in the foot with those prices. I think around $49 to maybe $99 is what you should be aiming for with high quality clips if you want to maximize revenue.

man...5000 dollar for 22000 amateurish video? for me is unbelievable really.....i will began doing video like crazy....

i am very picky with my work, both photo and video....even a bit of shake make me garbage my work....but wow i saw some video and i'm amazed how poorly they are done...not even buying a camera with in body stabilization...probably they shoot with some canon real an consumer glass.....that's why every body is doing micro in eastern europe ....if somebody can earn 5000 dollar months with these video....

https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/152776/china-hong-kong-social-apartment-housing-estate.html

i mean this video i would be ashamed to show to my mother....i must begin being less picky...

« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2017, 11:08 »
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It takes many years to upload 22,000 clips...

« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2017, 11:13 »
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It takes many years to upload 22,000 clips...

yes sure...and i never did video only photos...i work on a backlog of 200000 photos:)...and sicovered already 100 video time-lapse and other stuff that i will upload to see what happen.
anyway i'm really amazed to see people spending money in such quality...400 dollar per video..unbielevable. i'm eating my hands to not have considered video...by the way wanted to buy a stabilizer bought for iPhone and camera...but watching these video makes me really think if it's necessary.

« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2017, 11:15 »
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It takes many years to upload 22,000 clips...

but i'm a hard worker...if i want i can produce 22000 video in less than a year:) one day in a capital like hong kong or bangkok i really can produce a lot of editorial.

« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2017, 11:59 »
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but i'm a hard worker...if i want i can produce 22000 video in less than a year:) one day in a capital like hong kong or bangkok i really can produce a lot of editorial.

I would call you Superman if you even did 5,000 clips in one year.  ;D

Just think about the upload time alone to 4 agencies.

Average clip: 300 MB (conservative, I have many 1 GB+ clips) times 4 agencies = 1.2 GB per clip.

5,000 clips means 6,000 GB upload. That's 16 GB per day, every day. It's doable on a fast connection of course and if you work every day for 12-14 hours it might be possible to get 5,000 clips up (only HD, if 4k we're talking 4x the size).

22,000 quality clips in one year for one person. I don't think so. With good tagging? Absolutely not.

If you have a team of people (like hotelfoxtrot for example, that's not just 1 person, that's a whole team of uploaders/taggers/planners) it might be doable.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2017, 12:08 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2017, 12:05 »
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but i'm a hard worker...if i want i can produce 22000 video in less than a year:) one day in a capital like hong kong or bangkok i really can produce a lot of editorial.

I would call you Superman if you even did 5,000 clips in one year.

Just think about the upload time alone to 4 agencies.

Average clip: 300 MB (conservative, I have many 1 GB+ clips) times 4 agencies = 1.2 GB per clip.

5,000 clips means 6,000 GB upload. That's 16 GB per day, every day. It's doable on a fast connection of course and if you work every day for 12-14 hours it might be possible to get 5,000 clips up (only HD, if 4k we're talking 4x the size).

22,000 quality clips in one year for one person. I don't think so. With good tagging? Absolutely not.

If you have a team of people (like hotelfoxtrot for example, that's not just 1 person, that's a whole team of uploaders/taggers/planners) it might be doable.

you right.

« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2017, 12:26 »
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Also keep in mind that tagging and content is more important than number of clips and often image/production quality too (depends). Editorial content doesn't have to be top quality, it can be shaky 480p with wind noise if it's from the right event/disaster/place, but commercial footage needs to look better.

weathernews with 39,000 clips is in fact now going over all of his clips to fix his bad tagging, he said so himself. So it's better to do it right from the start.

op

« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2017, 07:50 »
+1
This person has a similar approach:
https://www.pond5.com/artist/patuwe97

Over 22,000 clips,  HD at $299 or $300.
A few hundred photos at $429.

I discovered their portfolio a few years ago and it was much smaller back then and the pricing was similar as now. If they have motivation to grow their port like this, I assume that this approach must be working, at least to some extent.

Definitely food for thought for all the people who think that a Peanut Vending Machine like Videohive/Envato is the pinnacle of stock video industry.

Well, the beauty of high-priced portfolios like this is that you can see how much they sell at P5. And we're talking 1-5 sales per week.

To me, that is just incredibly BAD for a portfolio of 22,000. The prices are too high.

Is $8-25 too low? Yes. But $199-429 for HD or photos is also too high to maximize revenue today.

They're shooting themselves in the foot with those prices. I think around $49 to maybe $99 is what you should be aiming for with high quality clips if you want to maximize revenue.

Who can say something is too cheap or too expensive if it sells.. Those are also for specific use and even if there were priced for nothing, they would maybe not sell more. Actually there was a topic on this forum and if I remember well, it was actually this guy who created it and asked what was the value of his portfolio and what prices he should sell. He was selling for cheap and we advised him to at least give a try to raise his prices. He did try for few months and not only his sales didn't fall, it actually grew.

« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2017, 08:22 »
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Who can say something is too cheap or too expensive if it sells..

Well, 5 times $200 or 20 times $100? Or 100 times $50? Which would you prefer?

Those are also for specific use and even if there were priced for nothing, they would maybe not sell more. Actually there was a topic on this forum and if I remember well, it was actually this guy who created it and asked what was the value of his portfolio and what prices he should sell. He was selling for cheap and we advised him to at least give a try to raise his prices. He did try for few months and not only his sales didn't fall, it actually grew.

Of course there is no way of knowing with 100% security unless we study parallel universes with different pricing.

It's all about experimenting to find where you sacrifice the least sales with the highest return. If you think 4-5 sales per week on a portfolio of 39,000 is good, I will let you do that.

To me, that sounds incredibly, absurdly low, which means that a lowering of prices to, say $99, might have a positive effect on revenue.

Naturally, the subject matter might not have a demand of more than 5 sales per week, no matter the price, in which case they could be raised to $400 and still get 5 sales.

In my experience, however, I find that pricing just above average for clips that are regularly usable results in the biggest revenue. That communicates quality while not scaring away buyers.

For absolutely unique clips like stepping down into a volcano, naturally, the price could be higher.

I used to price 2-3 times the average price and I got sales pretty much every day. Now I price around average up to 1.5x average and I make 3 times more money. So that works out better for me at least.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2017, 08:39 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2017, 10:04 »
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The number of images is a red herring what matters is money in vs money out. I'm also not sure if it matters if someone else is making money other than interest and you will never know anyway!

« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2017, 10:30 »
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The number of images is a red herring what matters is money in vs money out. I'm also not sure if it matters if someone else is making money other than interest and you will never know anyway!
In the case of this guy you do know exactly how much he makes, as he posts constantly on P5 forum, several times a day. Also in P5 you can see how much people are selling in the Artist resource area.
Anyway, the $5,000 a month stated somewhere in this thread is an over estimation. He keeps saying constantly that he cannot afford a 4k camera...


« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2017, 15:11 »
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http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/video-pricing/msg438640/#msg438640


Yes, I read that thread. He doesn't specify what "respectable levels" means there. Now they're priced at $200, but is that what he meant back then in 2015?

Anyway, do you still think it's nice to sell 5 clips per week when you have 39,000 in your portfolio? Even if they were $1,000 each I still think that's pretty bad. If I had 39,000 clips and they kept my current average I'd be looking at property in the Bahamas, Monaco and Malibu right now.

A more reasonable number would be at least 1% of your portfolio per month, or let's say even 0.5%. It's a long way up to 195...
« Last Edit: February 04, 2017, 15:16 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2017, 16:01 »
+2

In my experience, however, I find that pricing just above average for clips that are regularly usable results in the biggest revenue. That communicates quality while not scaring away buyers.


This is a good point. A very low price may imply inferior quality.
For some reason, I am afraid and reluctant to buy the cheapest wine that is available in the store.
(I don't go for the most expensive bottle, either.)

« Reply #65 on: February 04, 2017, 19:59 »
+1
I try to put a lot of effort into most of my footage, creating the highest quality possible because any garbage clip ive ever shot never sells. With that said, I found a fella with 39,000+ clips on pond 5 which doesnt impress me from the stuff i've seen. Do you think it's possible to make much money with such a gigantic catalog? https://www.pond5.com/artist/weathernews#1/2063

You simply (er...) have to match supply with demand ... sometimes we think about ourselves as artists. But we are simply suppliers of something. Customers need are what you have to check about. Then you can do quality, if needed.

Try for yourself: try and upload 10 files o that kind (subject and quality, keywording included) : if they sell better than your high quality footage ... you have your answer :-)

« Reply #66 on: February 04, 2017, 22:44 »
+1
If after 39 000 images he cannot afford 4k camera there is something wrong with his videos, probably people dont need so much snow storms :)

« Reply #67 on: February 04, 2017, 23:06 »
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By the way do you need to edit a lot your videos before you upload or you can upload straight away? At least for photos it takes me a lot of time to edit.

op

« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2017, 23:51 »
+1
http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/video-pricing/msg438640/#msg438640


Yes, I read that thread. He doesn't specify what "respectable levels" means there. Now they're priced at $200, but is that what he meant back then in 2015?

Anyway, do you still think it's nice to sell 5 clips per week when you have 39,000 in your portfolio? Even if they were $1,000 each I still think that's pretty bad. If I had 39,000 clips and they kept my current average I'd be looking at property in the Bahamas, Monaco and Malibu right now.

A more reasonable number would be at least 1% of your portfolio per month, or let's say even 0.5%. It's a long way up to 195...


Every portfolios are different.. He does event/editorial and based on his quality output, when on location during let's say a snow storm, he can make hundreds of videos in one or few days. Just go around and shoot everything where you see a lot of snow and people struggling basically. He also said that he shot most of those when he was student so that's the proof that that was not too demanding to even reach xx,xxx videos.

If he can make a living and he's satisfied with the money he's earning then there is no problem at all. And I'm pretty sure he can do thousands of footage a year when I would only do few hundred.

Stockvideo99

« Reply #69 on: February 07, 2017, 09:43 »
+2
I reviewed his portfolio in detail this weekend, he does actually have 39,000 clips but not very organized so if he is in fact a student I hope he isn't working in the campus library.

What I did noticed and I've already referred his profile to a couple of fellow producers is he does two things, his style seems to be to shoot long lens and take you there into the intensity and the reality of the event, everything I have seen so far is very real , he doesn't set up many shots,  it is FAR from polished work or fine art which makes him basically blazing his own trail and doing his own thing and something completely different than what most stock producers do.

He's basically turned the industry on it's head and with a little luck will break out ahead of the pack and leave everyone else behind and catching up, this of course if he gets things organized. So we must think before we knock his work, this guy might have just started a trend.  Thanks to the OP for positing this profile here, now I've got to get out and shoot in similar fashion.

We don't know if this was his plan or this is just how it came out, I compared his college student clips to others and you can't compare. If he was or is a student while building that collection then he sure was one of those that wasn't sitting around playing league of legends at every possible opportunity.  Not that there is anything wrong with playing league.

« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2017, 11:07 »
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I reviewed his portfolio in detail this weekend, he does actually have 39,000 clips but not very organized so if he is in fact a student I hope he isn't working in the campus library.

What I did noticed and I've already referred his profile to a couple of fellow producers is he does two things, his style seems to be to shoot long lens and take you there into the intensity and the reality of the event, everything I have seen so far is very real , he doesn't set up many shots,  it is FAR from polished work or fine art which makes him basically blazing his own trail and doing his own thing and something completely different than what most stock producers do.

He's basically turned the industry on it's head and with a little luck will break out ahead of the pack and leave everyone else behind and catching up, this of course if he gets things organized. So we must think before we knock his work, this guy might have just started a trend.  Thanks to the OP for positing this profile here, now I've got to get out and shoot in similar fashion.

We don't know if this was his plan or this is just how it came out, I compared his college student clips to others and you can't compare. If he was or is a student while building that collection then he sure was one of those that wasn't sitting around playing league of legends at every possible opportunity.  Not that there is anything wrong with playing league.

sorry but i don' see any trend really. most of these are shot anybody would garbage....the only point i see is :
 

even if you make poor quality stuff, even if you don't have the most professional equipment. upload everything with a minimum sense and you will manage to earn good money...
the point is that if all those people working freelance broadcasting or news, see this guy folio and know he can earn good money , they will upload all their stuff and we see 1 billion video in no less than a pair of years:)
that's why in the last year many are enjoying micro..producing thousand offshoot , even if poor made, makes anybody earns money, from low to high.

i was always picky uploading, keeping a lot of files and video in my hard disk but now I'm uploading 2000 files every month, and actually i see earning grows steadily months after months.

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  • Space, Sci-Fi and Astronomy Related Stock Footage

« Reply #71 on: February 07, 2017, 13:26 »
+2
He's basically turned the industry on it's head

this guy might have just started a trend.

If five sales a month (from 29,000 clips) is turning the industry on its head, and starting a trend, then I'll stick with run of the mill stuff I think!

« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2017, 03:53 »
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I reviewed his portfolio in detail this weekend, he does actually have 39,000 clips but not very organized so if he is in fact a student I hope he isn't working in the campus library.

What I did noticed and I've already referred his profile to a couple of fellow producers is he does two things, his style seems to be to shoot long lens and take you there into the intensity and the reality of the event, everything I have seen so far is very real , he doesn't set up many shots,  it is FAR from polished work or fine art which makes him basically blazing his own trail and doing his own thing and something completely different than what most stock producers do.

He's basically turned the industry on it's head and with a little luck will break out ahead of the pack and leave everyone else behind and catching up, this of course if he gets things organized. So we must think before we knock his work, this guy might have just started a trend.  Thanks to the OP for positing this profile here, now I've got to get out and shoot in similar fashion.

We don't know if this was his plan or this is just how it came out, I compared his college student clips to others and you can't compare. If he was or is a student while building that collection then he sure was one of those that wasn't sitting around playing league of legends at every possible opportunity.  Not that there is anything wrong with playing league.

He used to be an ENG cameraman but lost a lot of work due to TV stations cutting budgets etc - I know this because he posts constantly on the P5 forums. He certainly hasn't turned the industry on it's head, he's just spent a lot of time shooting everything on his doorstep which in reality is very easily replicated by anyone with a camera. Given the size of his portfolio he should be making A LOT more than he currently is - loads and loads of duplicate clips probably don't help his cause.

And yeah he mentioned he can't afford to upgrade to 4K so that says something...

« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2017, 08:10 »
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I reviewed his portfolio in detail this weekend, he does actually have 39,000 clips but not very organized so if he is in fact a student I hope he isn't working in the campus library.

What I did noticed and I've already referred his profile to a couple of fellow producers is he does two things, his style seems to be to shoot long lens and take you there into the intensity and the reality of the event, everything I have seen so far is very real , he doesn't set up many shots,  it is FAR from polished work or fine art which makes him basically blazing his own trail and doing his own thing and something completely different than what most stock producers do.

He's basically turned the industry on it's head and with a little luck will break out ahead of the pack and leave everyone else behind and catching up, this of course if he gets things organized. So we must think before we knock his work, this guy might have just started a trend.  Thanks to the OP for positing this profile here, now I've got to get out and shoot in similar fashion.

We don't know if this was his plan or this is just how it came out, I compared his college student clips to others and you can't compare. If he was or is a student while building that collection then he sure was one of those that wasn't sitting around playing league of legends at every possible opportunity.  Not that there is anything wrong with playing league.

He used to be an ENG cameraman but lost a lot of work due to TV stations cutting budgets etc - I know this because he posts constantly on the P5 forums. He certainly hasn't turned the industry on it's head, he's just spent a lot of time shooting everything on his doorstep which in reality is very easily replicated by anyone with a camera. Given the size of his portfolio he should be making A LOT more than he currently is - loads and loads of duplicate clips probably don't help his cause.

And yeah he mentioned he can't afford to upgrade to 4K so that says something...

i completely agree...if the makes 5000 dollar with this stuff really all the world will sign to become ea micro stock contributor don't spread the news...if he makes 1000 dollar is enough

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« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2017, 10:02 »
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I reviewed his portfolio in detail this weekend, he does actually have 39,000 clips but not very organized so if he is in fact a student I hope he isn't working in the campus library.

What I did noticed and I've already referred his profile to a couple of fellow producers is he does two things, his style seems to be to shoot long lens and take you there into the intensity and the reality of the event, everything I have seen so far is very real , he doesn't set up many shots,  it is FAR from polished work or fine art which makes him basically blazing his own trail and doing his own thing and something completely different than what most stock producers do.

He's basically turned the industry on it's head and with a little luck will break out ahead of the pack and leave everyone else behind and catching up, this of course if he gets things organized. So we must think before we knock his work, this guy might have just started a trend.  Thanks to the OP for positing this profile here, now I've got to get out and shoot in similar fashion.

We don't know if this was his plan or this is just how it came out, I compared his college student clips to others and you can't compare. If he was or is a student while building that collection then he sure was one of those that wasn't sitting around playing league of legends at every possible opportunity.  Not that there is anything wrong with playing league.

He used to be an ENG cameraman but lost a lot of work due to TV stations cutting budgets etc - I know this because he posts constantly on the P5 forums. He certainly hasn't turned the industry on it's head, he's just spent a lot of time shooting everything on his doorstep which in reality is very easily replicated by anyone with a camera. Given the size of his portfolio he should be making A LOT more than he currently is - loads and loads of duplicate clips probably don't help his cause.

And yeah he mentioned he can't afford to upgrade to 4K so that says something...

i completely agree...if the makes 5000 dollar with this stuff really all the world will sign to become ea micro stock contributor don't spread the news...if he makes 1000 dollar is enough

I can't see it. Depends how you word it I guess.

"Hey, if you buy a DSLR, go out and shoot a video, and upload it to Pond5, you'll make 17 cents for it every month! If you shoot two videos, you'll get 34 cents... and so on and so forth."

...is unlikely to get the entire planet itching to sign up!

« Reply #75 on: February 08, 2017, 10:39 »
+3
There seems to be many accident shots in this portfolio. People actually die in accidents. No matter how much money these shots can make, personally I would not shoot accident scenes and crushed vehicles. Let there be some decency!

« Reply #76 on: February 08, 2017, 10:49 »
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i completely agree...if the makes 5000 dollar with this stuff really all the world will sign to become ea micro stock contributor don't spread the news...if he makes 1000 dollar is enough

Unless he's making at least $39,000 dollars a month it wouldn't be worth quitting your job at McDonald's.

KB

« Reply #77 on: February 08, 2017, 13:51 »
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Unless he's making at least $39,000 dollars a month it wouldn't be worth quitting your job at McDonald's.
I'd heard the minimum wage has gone up, but I had no idea.  :o  I'm going to submit an application at my local McD's ASAP!

« Reply #78 on: February 08, 2017, 14:22 »
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Unless he's making at least $39,000 dollars a month it wouldn't be worth quitting your job at McDonald's.
I'd heard the minimum wage has gone up, but I had no idea.  :o  I'm going to submit an application at my local McD's ASAP!
Me too.
I'll go from filming burgers to flipping burgers

« Reply #79 on: February 08, 2017, 14:22 »
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I'd heard the minimum wage has gone up, but I had no idea.  :o  I'm going to submit an application at my local McD's ASAP!

I think you also should remember to consider one year at $100 per month, the next maybe $400, year three $800 etc.

It takes a LONG time to produce and upload 39,000 clips my friend.  ;D

KB

« Reply #80 on: February 08, 2017, 16:59 »
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It takes a LONG time to produce and upload 39,000 clips my friend.  ;D
Ain't that the truth. I've been at it since 2009, and my port is still only about 850 clips!  ::) I probably would be better off flipping those burgers.

« Reply #81 on: February 08, 2017, 17:48 »
+2
There seems to be many accident shots in this portfolio. People actually die in accidents. No matter how much money these shots can make, personally I would not shoot accident scenes and crushed vehicles. Let there be some decency!

I actually think that's some of his best and most unique stuff and probably makes the most money. As long as you're not in the way of emergency services and identifying people via video then I have no issues with this. The world's a big bad place sometimes and horrible things happen.

« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2017, 11:26 »
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I guess its time to switch to videos :D

EDIT: Wait, in video clips isnt property also protected, I see brands of cars, plates etc...
Or he submit it as editorial?

Pond 5 largely overlooks property from what I have seen, model/property release is not enforced much by them.


 

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