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« on: July 12, 2016, 06:42 »
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Hey everyone, started stock video some time back. Have been shooting 4K shots using a phone. The cam file usually is about 150MB for a 20sec 4k shot. However converting it to .mov using H264 seems to bloat this to 300+MB. Is there a way to reduce the size, since a smaller size will allow me to upload many more clips per day.


Benozaur

« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2016, 07:09 »
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300 MB for a 20 second 4K clip is tiny, your bit rate off a phone is probably so low that you end up with banding and macroblocking from hell.
Are you sure that you want to compress your clips any further...?

« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2016, 07:43 »
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300 MB for a 20 second 4K clip is tiny, your bit rate off a phone is probably so low that you end up with banding and macroblocking from hell.
Are you sure that you want to compress your clips any further...?

Right!
I have hard time keeping my 4K clips under 2GB  ;D (although most of mine have an average of ~40s)

alno

« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2016, 07:54 »
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300 MB for a 20 second 4K clip is tiny, your bit rate off a phone is probably so low that you end up with banding and macroblocking from hell.
Are you sure that you want to compress your clips any further...?

Right!
I have hard time keeping my 4K clips under 2GB  ;D (although most of mine have an average of ~40s)

You must me shooting/editing in ProRes :)

« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2016, 07:57 »
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300 MB for a 20 second 4K clip is tiny, your bit rate off a phone is probably so low that you end up with banding and macroblocking from hell.
Are you sure that you want to compress your clips any further...?

Right!
I have hard time keeping my 4K clips under 2GB  ;D (although most of mine have an average of ~40s)

You must me shooting/editing in ProRes :)

No, 4K is made @ H264, max quality.
ProRes or PhotoJPEG would give me 7-8GB for the same clip length, at max quality.

Tror

« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2016, 08:01 »
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Seems to be to little. 1 - 2GB would be normal IMHO (PhotoJPG/ProRes 422)

alno

« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2016, 08:20 »
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300 MB for a 20 second 4K clip is tiny, your bit rate off a phone is probably so low that you end up with banding and macroblocking from hell.
Are you sure that you want to compress your clips any further...?

Right!
I have hard time keeping my 4K clips under 2GB  ;D (although most of mine have an average of ~40s)

You must me shooting/editing in ProRes :)

No, 4K is made @ H264, max quality.
ProRes or PhotoJPEG would give me 7-8GB for the same clip length, at max quality.

That big will never be accepted by all stock sites... :) I wondered if the same clip in ProRes looks more attractive to potential buyer since many buy for future color correction to fit in their project.

« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2016, 08:24 »
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Wow, that's crazy. Thats almost the size of a full movie on those rental discs.

Guess i should be happy with my 300MB files then

« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2016, 08:27 »
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300 MB for a 20 second 4K clip is tiny, your bit rate off a phone is probably so low that you end up with banding and macroblocking from hell.
Are you sure that you want to compress your clips any further...?

Right!
I have hard time keeping my 4K clips under 2GB  ;D (although most of mine have an average of ~40s)

You must me shooting/editing in ProRes :)

No, 4K is made @ H264, max quality.
ProRes or PhotoJPEG would give me 7-8GB for the same clip length, at max quality.

That big will never be accepted by all stock sites... :) I wondered if the same clip in ProRes looks more attractive to potential buyer since many buy for future color correction to fit in their project.

I think what Zero Talent is saying is merely that if he outputs at those settings he would get that kind of file size. He's right. I do the same and I get lots of giggles.  But I only set my quality to high and not max to comply with size requirements of the agencies and I get about 1.5 giggles with Pro Res.  Zero Talent might also contribute to non-micro agencies who have a much wider breadth of clip freedom, or requirements, for quality.  But only Mr. Talent can answer that.

alno

« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2016, 08:30 »
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Wow, that's crazy. Thats almost the size of a full movie on those rental discs.

Guess i should be happy with my 300MB files then

:)
As far as I know file size is subject of fine details quantity so you are shooting some minimalistic scene that would be OK.

« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2016, 08:31 »
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Wow, that's crazy. Thats almost the size of a full movie on those rental discs.

Guess i should be happy with my 300MB files then

:)
As far as I know file size is subject of fine details quantity so you are shooting some minimalistic scene that would be OK.
Nope, mostly editorial type stuff out on the streets.

« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2016, 08:50 »
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300 MB for a 20 second 4K clip is tiny, your bit rate off a phone is probably so low that you end up with banding and macroblocking from hell.
Are you sure that you want to compress your clips any further...?

Right!
I have hard time keeping my 4K clips under 2GB  ;D (although most of mine have an average of ~40s)

You must me shooting/editing in ProRes :)

No, 4K is made @ H264, max quality.
ProRes or PhotoJPEG would give me 7-8GB for the same clip length, at max quality.

That big will never be accepted by all stock sites... :) I wondered if the same clip in ProRes looks more attractive to potential buyer since many buy for future color correction to fit in their project.

I think what Zero Talent is saying is merely that if he outputs at those settings he would get that kind of file size. He's right. I do the same and I get lots of giggles.  But I only set my quality to high and not max to comply with size requirements of the agencies and I get about 1.5 giggles with Pro Res.  Zero Talent might also contribute to non-micro agencies who have a much wider breadth of clip freedom, or requirements, for quality.  But only Mr. Talent can answer that.

You are right, Mr. Mantis  ;) I don't submit 7-8GB clips.
If I want to stay below 2GB without trimming the 4K clip, H264 max quality seems to be a better choice than ProRes/PhotoJPEG with a heavy quality reduction. I'm talking about 4096 x 2304 4K, not UHD or other variant.
On the other hand, if anyone needs max quality, I also create HD ProRes or PhotoJPEG @ 100%, which usually stays below 2GB, for the same clip duration (~40s)
« Last Edit: July 12, 2016, 09:03 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2016, 03:43 »
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The sheer amount of bandwidth needed to upload these clips is amazing  :D


 

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