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Microstock Footage Forum => General - Stock Video => Topic started by: helloitsme on August 01, 2015, 13:32
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Anybody?
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No, but after the response to the announcement with some very good arguments against such a strategy I will be very surprised indeed if they actually follow through with this plan. This will harm them big time and may even contribute to their demise. If they are smart they will abandon the idea.
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If they had already done something like that you would know.
Chances are they wont like eco said,but at this point all bets are off.
Not that it will make things any better (for me at least)
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I'm checking my clips' price everyday to make sure they don't do that stupid thing.
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Yes all my files are now 49$, including some 4k/UHD!
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Yes all my files are now 49$, including some 4k/UHD!
For real? So, 4k clip is priced at $49 and also $49 for HD resolution of the same file?
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He is propably joking around.
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Not the same files the HD and the UHD...
I`ll let them for a while to see how are sales and after I will rethink the price strategy if it`s bad and also speak with dissolve support. Sincerely I don`t konw what to do but leaving dissolve is not an option.
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Not the same files the HD and the UHD...
I`ll let them for a while to see how are sales and after I will rethink the price strategy if it`s bad and also speak with dissolve support. Sincerely I don`t konw what to do but leaving dissolve is not an option.
So they already priced your hd clips at 49?Was that from their part without asking you anything?
EDIT:Looks like this is happening already.Some of the newest clips there are at 49 already...
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Not the same files the HD and the UHD...
I`ll let them for a while to see how are sales and after I will rethink the price strategy if it`s bad and also speak with dissolve support. Sincerely I don`t konw what to do but leaving dissolve is not an option.
Why is leaving Dissolve not an option?
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Not the same files the HD and the UHD...
I`ll let them for a while to see how are sales and after I will rethink the price strategy if it`s bad and also speak with dissolve support. Sincerely I don`t konw what to do but leaving dissolve is not an option.
Why is leaving Dissolve not an option?
Because when you signed up there is a 5-year lock in with your clips. You want to leave 100%? You have to wait 5-years from your last upload. This is part of the thing driving the uproar. They are forcing you to leave you work there while they happily cannibalize your commissions.
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I hardly believe that once you ask them to delete your account they will refuse.Looks like we might find out soon.
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Not the same files the HD and the UHD...
I`ll let them for a while to see how are sales and after I will rethink the price strategy if it`s bad and also speak with dissolve support. Sincerely I don`t konw what to do but leaving dissolve is not an option.
Why is leaving Dissolve not an option?
I hardly believe that once you ask them to delete your account they will refuse.Looks like we might find out soon.
Because when you signed up there is a 5-year lock in with your clips. You want to leave 100%? You have to wait 5-years from your last upload. This is part of the thing driving the uproar. They are forcing you to leave you work there while they happily cannibalize your commissions.
Just an FYI I already asked. They said no per their terms.
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There are already several thousand 1080p clips on Dissolve at $49. . . This sucks.
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Just an FYI I already asked. They said no per their terms.
Oh did they?
Well, in situations like these i find ridicule combined with full public disclosure to be truly wonderful weapons of mayhem.
We've lost either way but we can at least show that the king is naked. :)
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The five year lock in is bizarre to the point of stupidity. Contributors should have the right to leave at anytime. Especially when the site changes it's TOS and pricing.
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This contributor's clips have been priced at this level even before that infamous announcement.
http://www.dissolve.com/products?producer=Wavebreak+Media (http://www.dissolve.com/products?producer=Wavebreak+Media)
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Just an FYI I already asked. They said no per their terms.
Oh did they?
Well, in situations like these i find ridicule combined with full public disclosure to be truly wonderful weapons of mayhem.
We've lost either way but we can at least show that the king is naked. :)
I love the way you've stated that!
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This contributor's clips have been priced at this level even before that infamous announcement.
[url]http://www.dissolve.com/products?producer=Wavebreak+Media[/url] ([url]http://www.dissolve.com/products?producer=Wavebreak+Media[/url])
With a port of 51,000 clips he may have negotiated a better royalty %
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The five year lock in is bizarre to the point of stupidity. Contributors should have the right to leave at anytime. Especially when the site changes it's TOS and pricing.
I can't find their terms, but in their response to me they say that their TOS DID NOT CHANGE, that those very terms allow them to do what they are doing. My claim was that they changed their TOS and I DO NOT ACCEPT those terms and, therefore, asked to close my account.
Just so you guys all know how they responded to me. Maybe they will change their position with this exposure.
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Growth requires new material and lots of it. Lots of new material is contingent on a good relationship with those that produce the material. Even if my clips stay at $79 I see the potential for constant irritating changes like I experienced with FT and iS and I don't want anymore or that. Being locked into a 5 year deal means the agency needs to show exemplary character towards its contractors and not throw out crap like this do deal with right off the bat because they can. The TOS is useless when buyers ask why they can find much fresher material elsewhere and those buyers won't mind paying the higher rates. My trust in them is gone as it's gone in RevoStock.
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Glad I trusted my instincts and didn't upload there then. Does anyone have a copy of their contract terms that they can post? Without signing up you don't really get access to it.
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Glad I trusted my instincts and didn't upload there then. Does anyone have a copy of their contract terms that they can post? Without signing up you don't really get access to it.
I don't understand how they can just change something as huge as that and not have to release people.
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They will probably claim because the royalty PERCENTAGE hasn't changed, they can do whatever they want with their prices. However, this would mean they could drop prices to one dollar....
I am sure contributors signed the five year deal with the prices and royalty returns in mind when they signed up.
I am not a lawyer, but this looks like a change of the agreement to me.
But why involve lawyers? They could easily releasy anyone who wants to leave.
They can't be that desperate to hold onto the content, can they?
What about their reputation in the marketplace? Video is a much smaller world than photos and everyone is deeply connected.
The whole thing is just strange, like others have said, it looks like their business plan is not working.
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Glad I trusted my instincts and didn't upload there then. Does anyone have a copy of their contract terms that they can post? Without signing up you don't really get access to it.
Oh, I thought it was just that I couldn't find them.
That's a very worrying sign before you even start. :(
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Glad I trusted my instincts and didn't upload there then. Does anyone have a copy of their contract terms that they can post? Without signing up you don't really get access to it.
I don't understand how they can just change something as huge as that and not have to release people.
It's called greed. Dissolve is on a dive to the bottom and they just want to grab as much cash on the way as they can.
DO NOT UPLOAD TO DISSOLVE!
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Glad I trusted my instincts and didn't upload there then. Does anyone have a copy of their contract terms that they can post? Without signing up you don't really get access to it.
I can tell you right away that there is something along the lines of "Dissolve may amend product pricing at its discretion at any time for any or all product submitted to Dissolve"
and that by reading the "Term and Termination" section, there are ways that you can terminate your contract by means of a written notice.
"Ceasing to carry business" seems rather nice.There are ways to forcibly terminate your contract if you want to go all out but for the time being i will not post the terms of the contract although you may guess what these might be.
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^^ is the contract secret? Surely not.
I see that there is quite a lot of easily-available info about unfair contracts in British Columbia; not so much for Alberta, but those directly affected might like to check this out more closely.
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^^ is the contract secret? Surely not.
I see that there is quite a lot of easily-available info about unfair contracts in British Columbia; not so much for Alberta, but those directly affected might like to check this out more closely.
No it propably isnt although i might need to read it more carefully to determine whether breach of confidentiality applies to posting the contract in public.
99% it doesnt but for the time being the affected parties (us,the contributors) already have our contract at hand and we can discuss it here publicly since this is what this place is for.
Others can always ask something specific,although i think that i pretty much explained the "pricing" clause which is what everyone has been interested in.
The other details such as the 5 year period you already know.
If noone else wants to post his contract and there is genuine interest i will post it,unless someone else does.
Until then lets see how this goes.
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They will probably claim because the royalty PERCENTAGE hasn't changed, they can do whatever they want with their prices. However, this would mean they could drop prices to one dollar....
I am sure contributors signed the five year deal with the prices and royalty returns in mind when they signed up.
I am not a lawyer, but this looks like a change of the agreement to me.
But why involve lawyers? They could easily releasy anyone who wants to leave.
They can't be that desperate to hold onto the content, can they?
What about their reputation in the marketplace? Video is a much smaller world than photos and everyone is deeply connected.
The whole thing is just strange, like others have said, it looks like their business plan is not working.
Dreamstime has done the same thing for years.
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^^ is the contract secret? Surely not.
I see that there is quite a lot of easily-available info about unfair contracts in British Columbia; not so much for Alberta, but those directly affected might like to check this out more closely.
Well I never signed it, so uploading is of no consequence to me. Here you go. It's too big to attach here, so here is a link to Google Drive.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B5XjPpZC_ujSfm5NSXZUWGJNakE4TzlUbWFKUXd0UVZNbEVacmszdU4zSVlaMzNPMWFZU1k&usp=sharing
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^^ is the contract secret? Surely not.
I see that there is quite a lot of easily-available info about unfair contracts in British Columbia; not so much for Alberta, but those directly affected might like to check this out more closely.
Well I never signed it, so uploading is of no consequence to me. Here you go. It's too big to attach here, so here is a link to Google Drive.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B5XjPpZC_ujSfm5NSXZUWGJNakE4TzlUbWFKUXd0UVZNbEVacmszdU4zSVlaMzNPMWFZU1k&usp=sharing
Thanks. As I read through it the terms are certainly in DISSOLVES favor. Tickstock is right, it was my choice to upload there and I certainly have buyers remorse now.
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^^ is the contract secret? Surely not.
I see that there is quite a lot of easily-available info about unfair contracts in British Columbia; not so much for Alberta, but those directly affected might like to check this out more closely.
Well I never signed it, so uploading is of no consequence to me. Here you go. It's too big to attach here, so here is a link to Google Drive.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B5XjPpZC_ujSfm5NSXZUWGJNakE4TzlUbWFKUXd0UVZNbEVacmszdU4zSVlaMzNPMWFZU1k&usp=sharing
Thanks. As I read through it the terms are certainly in DISSOLVES favor. Tickstock is right, it was my choice to upload there and I certainly have buyers remorse now.
Sure that's true, but as the old saying goes, Dissolve has positioned itself within the pack, where the view never changes. Lead dogs they ain't.
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^^ is the contract secret? Surely not.
I see that there is quite a lot of easily-available info about unfair contracts in British Columbia; not so much for Alberta, but those directly affected might like to check this out more closely.
Well I never signed it, so uploading is of no consequence to me. Here you go. It's too big to attach here, so here is a link to Google Drive.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B5XjPpZC_ujSfm5NSXZUWGJNakE4TzlUbWFKUXd0UVZNbEVacmszdU4zSVlaMzNPMWFZU1k&usp=sharing
Thanks. As I read through it the terms are certainly in DISSOLVES favor. Tickstock is right, it was my choice to upload there and I certainly have buyers remorse now.
I knew where i was getting into.Of course i never believed that it would happen so fast and without a single shred of shame.
i also suspect that they weren't alone in this desision (not VB) but this is no place for speculation ,and it doesnt really matter in the end.
Im just mentioning it because the thought of it alone bothers me to an extend.
As i said before i find our only means of "defense" to be public disclosure.We may have been screwed completely but others wont.
Thats a form of relief for me anyway.
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I should have gone with my gut instinct after the $5 clip fiasco.
There appears to be nothing we can do about the situation other than disclose it to the public and to stop uploading clips.
Let's just hope other companies do not follow them otherwise it's the Death Bell.
DISSOLVE SUCKS!
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After they clawed back some of my May Royalties in June due to some corporate deal gone awry, leaving me owing them money (yeah right), they jumped to the bottom of my list. Now this bizarre move - I don't expect them to rise to the top, for sure. They seem to be in that phase where they feel contributors are expendable. That's so 2009...
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After they clawed back some of my May Royalties in June due to some corporate deal gone awry, leaving me owing them money (yeah right), they jumped to the bottom of my list. Now this bizarre move - I don't expect them to rise to the top, for sure. They seem to be in that phase where they feel contributors are expendable. That's so 2009...
So you got this "huge corporate deal" thingy too ..
I wonder who else.
Last month I had a 4K return from the previous month that was charged onto me,as well as a number of reduced sales for a total revenue of 20usd each, plus a few more 4K returns because "the client actually wanted hd" which were further discounted as hd.
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After they clawed back some of my May Royalties in June due to some corporate deal gone awry, leaving me owing them money (yeah right), they jumped to the bottom of my list. Now this bizarre move - I don't expect them to rise to the top, for sure. They seem to be in that phase where they feel contributors are expendable. That's so 2009...
Very istock-ish.
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After they clawed back some of my May Royalties in June due to some corporate deal gone awry, leaving me owing them money (yeah right), they jumped to the bottom of my list. Now this bizarre move - I don't expect them to rise to the top, for sure. They seem to be in that phase where they feel contributors are expendable. That's so 2009...
So you got this "huge corporate deal" thingy too ..
I wonder who else.
Last month I had a 4K return from the previous month that was charged onto me,as well as a number of reduced sales for a total revenue of 20usd each, plus a few more 4K returns because "the client actually wanted hd" which were further discounted as hd.
That's ridiculous. We don't know what really happened. They can say anything. Our trust is going down.
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I should have gone with my gut instinct after the $5 clip fiasco.
There appears to be nothing we can do about the situation other than disclose it to the public and to stop uploading clips.
Let's just hope other companies do not follow them otherwise it's the Death Bell.
DISSOLVE SUCKS!
So, did they actually sell contributors' HD clips for $5?
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Yes. Something about files coming through a partner I think, but the original artist apparently didnīt know. They said later they were testing price points and their test showed that customers didnīt mind paying higher prices.
There is a thread about it somewhere.
http://www.microstockgroup.com/dissolve/introducing-dissolve/msg386175/ (http://www.microstockgroup.com/dissolve/introducing-dissolve/msg386175/)
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Yes. Something about files coming through a partner I think, but the original artist apparently didnīt know. They said later they were testing price points and their test showed that customers didnīt mind paying higher prices.
There is a thread about it somewhere.
Well I can say that customers don't mind paying $79
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Well I can say that customers don't mind paying $79
Last time i sold a clip for less that 79 was two and a half months ago at the "other site".
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I should have gone with my gut instinct after the $5 clip fiasco.
There appears to be nothing we can do about the situation other than disclose it to the public and to stop uploading clips.
Let's just hope other companies do not follow them otherwise it's the Death Bell.
DISSOLVE SUCKS!
So, did they actually sell contributors' HD clips for $5?
Yes. They sold 1080p for $5. They were 'given' the clips by T3Media.
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Dissolve said that they were only testing the $5 price point.
But when they launched they promoted the $5 price heavily.
It was only after they launched that we realized that the clips were supplied by hundreds of unknowing contributing artists who had not given their permission.
Dissolve basically launched on the backs of those contributors. They've been screwing contributors from day one.
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I should have gone with my gut instinct after the $5 clip fiasco.
There appears to be nothing we can do about the situation other than disclose it to the public and to stop uploading clips.
Let's just hope other companies do not follow them otherwise it's the Death Bell.
DISSOLVE SUCKS!
Who is T3Media?
So, did they actually sell contributors' HD clips for $5?
Yes. They sold 1080p for $5. They were 'given' the clips by T3Media.
I don't know about T3Media. Seems like a very small site.
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5 years? That's crazy. Maybe if they we paying insane money but not at those prices.
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Glad I trusted my instincts and didn't upload there then. Does anyone have a copy of their contract terms that they can post? Without signing up you don't really get access to it.
I don't understand how they can just change something as huge as that and not have to release people.
It's called greed. Dissolve is on a dive to the bottom and they just want to grab as much cash on the way as they can.
DO NOT UPLOAD TO DISSOLVE!
In hindsight I'm glad I wasn't accepted as a contributor last month.
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After reading all this I'm glad I didn't make a deal with them earlier. 30% royalty and executive experience at istock/getty, veer and fotolia all seemed like red flags. But if not for this move I wouldn't learn about Videoblocks and their 100% royalty offer, which is funny because surely that was not on the list of things Dissolve wanted to accomplish.
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^^ is the contract secret? Surely not.
I see that there is quite a lot of easily-available info about unfair contracts in British Columbia; not so much for Alberta, but those directly affected might like to check this out more closely.
Well I never signed it, so uploading is of no consequence to me. Here you go. It's too big to attach here, so here is a link to Google Drive.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B5XjPpZC_ujSfm5NSXZUWGJNakE4TzlUbWFKUXd0UVZNbEVacmszdU4zSVlaMzNPMWFZU1k&usp=sharing
Thanks for that.
The agreement term is for 5 years - it doesn't seem to specify anything about how much content needs to be provided by a contributor, or whether there's an obligation to keep licensing all of the content for 5 years or how to remove any content that has been previously supplied.
There is a reference to a first recital of the agreement - article 1.1(k) - do contributors need to list the footage that they're supplying when they enter into the agreement? Is there any link between the upload process and this clause?
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Incidentally their jurisdiction clause (1.2) seems to be non-exclusive - that is if you decide to sue them somewhere outside Alberta you can. http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=aa15efb4-5058-4715-bea9-7bc2b2e52ba2 (http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=aa15efb4-5058-4715-bea9-7bc2b2e52ba2)
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Dissolve's broad TOS may give them the ability to hold contributors against their will but doing so will only lead to festering discontent and anger. I don't see any upside to that strategy. Surely they have plenty of material without resorting to questionable business tactics. Letting unhappy contributors leave is a good business decision.
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I don't regret joining Dissolve because their sales are impressive for a new agency. I made OK money so far there. I think the sales went down a little bit since VideoBlocks started in April. So, Dissolve may have panicked and tried to blame us contributors instead and punish us. That's no good.
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I wanted to bump this post. I have been exchanging emails with one of the head guys at Dissolve, George Georgeadis. My purpose for contacting him was mainly to re-request my account to be closed. But we took up some very constructive dialog around the 5-year lock in, the inflexibility of contributors to manage their clips and the 30% commission/clip price blend. I have to say, George was very open and honest. I, too, spoke up about the key things that anger contributors, mainly around contributors not having a voice, nor being considered, when big decisions are made.
I have to say that regarding commissions and prices, I don't have any good news to share. That isn't changing.
On a more positive note:
1. George was clear that the 5-year lock in was not really a lock in and we contributors are not obligated to comply. If you want to close your account you need to email [email protected] and George will work with you.
2. If you want to simply deactivate your account while keeping your clips in idle in their collection and play the wait and see game, you can. If down the road you want to reactivate them (without having to re-upload) you can shoot them an email.
3. When the new user interface goes live we will be able to manage our clips, remove, go exclusive with clips, deactivate, etc. I didn't get a timeline on that. Our multiple email exchanges, while civil and constructive, were direct and no beating around the bush.
I suppose that the only thing I wished George would do is come here himself and clarify Dissolve's position. I asked him directly whether the deal he made with me was between us or whether I could share it here. He told me it was not a special deal and to share it here. I sent him the links to the two discussions at MSG in case for whatever reason he didn't have them.
Hope to see him chime in here, but nonetheless I hope you all are a bit relieved.
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I've spoken to George about stuff sometimes other than stock or dissolve and i was talking to a sincere human being, so i would hate for him to come here
just to do damage control and assume the fax machine mantra,because i wouldn't be speaking to him the same way.
He would also not have anything to say other than passing down
the same information Aaron did, just in a different tone,because i dont think there's much else he could do anyway.
The commissions and prices part is not good news at all.
Do they expect us to get accustomed to living in this new dissolve "normality" now?
Apparently they are but this can only go downhill from now on given the eagerness and speed in which they decide these things.
Closing or halting the account should be a given,i actually didn't believe that a few emails wouldn't do it.
Im very confused and disappointed by them.Not because i was expecting big things but because when you are a new and promising agency there's always the
hope that they will think outside the box and combine the collective experience in a more positive way,for them and for us.
Looks live i wont be living this "fantacy" but even expressing it makes me feel better.
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They could solve the entire problem by letting Contributors set their own price.
But with only a 30% commission people would still upload to P5 first.
I no longer trust them. They're getting no more clips from me.
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They could solve the entire problem by letting Contributors set their own price.
But with only a 30% commission people would still upload to P5 first.
I no longer trust them. They're getting no more clips from me.
I get all that. Just sending the message I got is all.
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I would think it would help a lot if someone from management came here to reach out to people. this is a very small industry and they will eventually meet many of us in real life, if their agency is still around in a few years.
They'll be at the next mexpo, won't they?
If they offer a normal contract, a normal delete button on every file and a minimum of 30% for indie and more for exclusive content, I am sure more people would be ready to try dissolve.
But the ability to delete our own files is absolutely essential after all that happened in the industry.
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If they offer a normal contract, a normal delete button on every file and a minimum of 30% for indie and more for exclusive content, I am sure more people would be ready to try dissolve.
And stop screwing around with their pricing model. Have some confidence in the product they are selling and show that confidence to buyers and contributors.
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If they offer a normal contract, a normal delete button on every file and a minimum of 30% for indie and more for exclusive content, I am sure more people would be ready to try dissolve.
And stop screwing around with their pricing model. Have some confidence in the product they are selling and show that confidence to buyers and contributors.
When I joined Dissolve, the other agencies I'm with didn't step forward and wag their finger at me threateningly, saying that if THOSE guys start selling for less so will we. The more I think about this the more disgusted I get.
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And stop screwing around with their pricing model. Have some confidence in the product they are selling and show that confidence to buyers and contributors.
Well said!
If they were hoping to slow down uploads with this announcement they've succeeded. I won't be uploading new work unless/until this gets worked out. Even then they've shown their colors. What will be the next change? Maybe we shouldn't have expected more from an agency run by ex istock management. Man, I'm tired of being messed with.
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I am sure contributors signed the five year deal with the prices and royalty returns in mind when they signed up.
They can't be that desperate to hold onto the content, can they?
It tells you a great deal about company intent moving forward, when they strategically write something like this into the agreement. To me it is fair warning they intend on cannibalizing their contributors in the future.
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I am sure contributors signed the five year deal with the prices and royalty returns in mind when they signed up.
They can't be that desperate to hold onto the content, can they?
It tells you a great deal about company intent moving forward, when they strategically write something like this into the agreement. To me it is fair warning they intend on cannibalizing their contributors in the future.
Everyone now has a get out of jail free card, so they should use it.
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For now i will at least delete some of my best sellers plus whatever else get slushed to 49,if it gets slushed.
Uploads is a no go for me.
I've come close to becoming bipolar (not in the medical sense apparently) dealing with them,i've already halted my uploads twice there in the short time i've been a contributor
and it's time i put an end to all that.Im fed up honestly and i dont want to spent my time uploading and then regretting it.VB will be the last agency im dealing with in the foreseeable future,lets hope this will not go south.
Also need to print a Christian Bale style t-shirt now that i think about it "Dissolve and I are done professionally" or something like that.
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I just checked the Dissolve site and noticed that they have 4K clips priced at $49 and $79
4,468 4K clips at $49
13,109 4K clips at $79
Who are they price matching at these low prices?
I wander if the contributors know?
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I just checked the Dissolve site and noticed that they have 4K clips priced at $49 and $79
4,468 4K clips at $49
13,109 4K clips at $79
Who are they price matching at these low prices?
I wander if the contributors know?
To be fair with them i just checked and all 4k is still at 199.It's the way their page reports prices of HD-4k clips, showing only the downconverted clip's price.
This is how the prices have been shown since they started downconverting from 4K.
So 4K is still 199 and hd can be 49-79.
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I just checked the Dissolve site and noticed that they have 4K clips priced at $49 and $79
4,468 4K clips at $49
13,109 4K clips at $79
Who are they price matching at these low prices?
I wander if the contributors know?
To be fair with them i just checked and all 4k is still at 199.It's the way their page reports prices of HD-4k clips, showing only the downconverted clip's price.
This is how the prices have been shown since they started downconverting from 4K.
So 4K is still 199 and hd can be 49-79.
wow - you are correct!
After filtering '4K' in the leIt column the resulting page even says:
'4K clips results filtered by Price ($49) (1100 of 4468 stock footage results)'
That's very confusing + misleading.
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I just checked the Dissolve site and noticed that they have 4K clips priced at $49 and $79
4,468 4K clips at $49
13,109 4K clips at $79
Who are they price matching at these low prices?
I wander if the contributors know?
It is misleading.
To be fair with them i just checked and all 4k is still at 199.It's the way their page reports prices of HD-4k clips, showing only the downconverted clip's price.
This is how the prices have been shown since they started downconverting from 4K.
So 4K is still 199 and hd can be 49-79.
wow - you are correct!
After filtering '4K' in the leIt column the resulting page even says:
'4K clips results filtered by Price ($49) (1100 of 4468 stock footage results)'
That's very confusing + misleading.
It is misleading.
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Anyone able to cancel their Dissolve account?
If so how?
I contacted them last week - still haven't heard anything.
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Just received an email from Dissolve telling me they are lowering my clip prices next week to $49.
There were a couple of options. One is I can send them a list of all the clips in my collection that aren't available for $49 elsewhere (you gotta be kidding me, I'm not spending my time doing that) and they will only change those prices.
The second option is I can request for them to deactivate all my clips so they can be easily reactivated at a later date.
Interestingly enough, at the exact same time I got Dissolve's email I also got a notification of a sale from VideoBlocks. I profited over $47 dollars from the single clip sold at VB! With Dissolve's new pricing I would have received just $14.70
It seems pretty clear to me who I would rather support.
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I'd rather delete my account than just deactivate it.
I no longer trust Dissolve at all.
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Just received an email from Dissolve telling me they are lowering my clip prices next week to $49.
There were a couple of options. One is I can send them a list of all the clips in my collection that aren't available for $49 elsewhere (you gotta be kidding me, I'm not spending my time doing that) and they will only change those prices.
The second option is I can request for them to deactivate all my clips so they can be easily reactivated at a later date.
Interestingly enough, at the exact same time I got Dissolve's email I also got a notification of a sale from VideoBlocks. I profited over $47 dollars from the single clip sold at VB! With Dissolve's new pricing I would have received just $14.70
It seems pretty clear to me who I would rather support.
Let me get this straight.
They offered you a "take it or leave it" kind of deal where all of your clips will be 49 in the next few days unless you point out which of them aren't sold at videoblocks? (sorry i meant 49 "elsewhere")
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That's pretty much the deal Aaron mentioned days ago.
You are then supposed to email Dissolve notifying them of any further clips you put on Videoblocks.
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Looks like VB is putting the fear in people! Bravo for fair pay to artist at VB! May the force be with you.
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That's pretty much the deal Aaron mentioned days ago.
You are then supposed to email Dissolve notifying them of any further clips you put on Videoblocks.
Yes but to be honest i didnt believe until the last minute that they would go forward with it actually sending mails to existing contributors telling them to report where they sell their clips and for how much just to prevent them getting their clips slashed at a lower price.
Well done dissolve im staggered by the audacity.
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Five months from now they'll have a reason to lower the 1080p to $29.
They won't be happy 'till all clips are $5
BOYCOTT DISSOLVE!
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Mine are already at $49 as of yesterday.
At 35% thats all they get.
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Mine are already at $49 as of yesterday.
At 35% thats all they get.
On a site like Dissolve's it further penalizes those contributors who haven't placed their clips with a lower priced site. If I'm a good boy, my clips will remain for sale at $80 right next to the clips selling for $49 ??
That sure makes me feel special. Every time they make a move it looks worse. Whack-a-Mole strategy.
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Mine are already at $49 as of yesterday.
At 35% thats all they get.
On a site like Dissolve's it further penalizes those contributors who haven't placed their clips with a lower priced site. If I'm a good boy, my clips will remain for sale at $80 right next to the clips selling for $49 ??
That sure makes me feel special. Every time they make a move it looks worse. Whack-a-Mole strategy.
Exactly.
Which makes the RM prices there (150+ if i recall) look even more out of place not to mention the huge elephant in the roomthat is the exclusivity pricing.299 for HD and 499 for 4K!
I wonder really,if they price exclusive clips that ridiculously high why all this rush to price everything else at 49 not to mention 79?
Do exclusive clips even make sales there,that is one of the questions i would really like to be answered at some point.
Because if they do i cant even describe the massive surrealism.
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On a site like Dissolve's it further penalizes those contributors who haven't placed their clips with a lower priced site. If I'm a good boy, my clips will remain for sale at $80 right next to the clips selling for $49 ??
That sure makes me feel special. Every time they make a move it looks worse. Whack-a-Mole strategy.
Good point, I hadn't even considered that! In addition, they're heading towards the customer confusing iStock strategy of pricing a potentially lower quality clip at a higher price and the customer can't understand why clips are priced as they are. No agency in their right mind should be following the iStock model. The Whack-a-Mole strategy comment was right on the money ;D
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On a site like Dissolve's it further penalizes those contributors who haven't placed their clips with a lower priced site. If I'm a good boy, my clips will remain for sale at $80 right next to the clips selling for $49 ??
That sure makes me feel special. Every time they make a move it looks worse. Whack-a-Mole strategy.
Good point, I hadn't even considered that! In addition, they're heading towards the customer confusing iStock strategy of pricing a potentially lower quality clip at a higher price and the customer can't understand why clips are priced as they are. No agency in their right mind should be following the iStock model. The Whack-a-Mole strategy comment was right on the money ;D
Don't be surprised at the iStock comparison.
Dissolve was created by some of the founders of Veer and iStock.
BOYCOTT DISSOLVE!
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Just had 430 new clips of mine reviewed and only 21 at 49 the rest at 79 (the 21 are lower res so understand the 49)
So so far I am happy now waiting for the sales :)
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#BoycottDissolve
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#BoycottDissolve lets show them our power like the dpc and fotolia d-day actions.
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Without any video clips, stock video agency can't exist. It was a stupid move by them to threaten contributors like they did.
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Dissolve's directors will have their usual pay raise and bonus.
Contibutors have had their usual punitive paycut.
They could easily have lowered their prices and given the contibutors an extra 10% (that would still be lower than P5).
Their's something wrong somewhere.
#BoycottDissolve
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Just received an email from Dissolve telling me they are lowering my clip prices next week to $49.
There were a couple of options. One is I can send them a list of all the clips in my collection that aren't available for $49 elsewhere (you gotta be kidding me, I'm not spending my time doing that) and they will only change those prices.
The second option is I can request for them to deactivate all my clips so they can be easily reactivated at a later date.
Interestingly enough, at the exact same time I got Dissolve's email I also got a notification of a sale from VideoBlocks. I profited over $47 dollars from the single clip sold at VB! With Dissolve's new pricing I would have received just $14.70
It seems pretty clear to me who I would rather support.
Update:
In the end I chose to ask Dissolve to deactivate my 2,000 clips. This is a slippery slope with nowhere to go but down. I'm tired of this nonsense from many of the agencies. An agency that's trying to control how and where I submit my clips to other agencies and one who's immediate response to every challenge seems to be lowering prices is not for me and won't be good for my business or the industry long term.
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So all my HD clips are now $49... Maybe I'll just quit them, not sure yet, this sucks.
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Just received an email from Dissolve telling me they are lowering my clip prices next week to $49.
There were a couple of options. One is I can send them a list of all the clips in my collection that aren't available for $49 elsewhere (you gotta be kidding me, I'm not spending my time doing that) and they will only change those prices.
The second option is I can request for them to deactivate all my clips so they can be easily reactivated at a later date.
Interestingly enough, at the exact same time I got Dissolve's email I also got a notification of a sale from VideoBlocks. I profited over $47 dollars from the single clip sold at VB! With Dissolve's new pricing I would have received just $14.70
It seems pretty clear to me who I would rather support.
Update:
In the end I chose to ask Dissolve to deactivate my 2,000 clips. This is a slippery slope with nowhere to go but down. I'm tired of this nonsense from many of the agencies. An agency that's trying to control how and where I submit my clips to other agencies and one who's immediate response to every challenge seems to be lowering prices is not for me and won't be good for my business or the industry long term.
I think you made a wise choice. Following this thread for a while now and good to see some action is being taken by contributors to punish unfair agencies.
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If your 1080P HD clips are priced at $49 against your will, you should inform them that you want out ASAP.
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If your 1080P HD clips are priced at $49 against your will, you should inform them that you want out ASAP.
If sales increase to offset this, then I don't care. Time will tell. I think sales won't increase but I can give them a few months.
Your clips are still at $79?
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If your 1080P HD clips are priced at $49 against your will, you should inform them that you want out ASAP.
If sales increase to offset this, then I don't care. Time will tell. I think sales won't increase but I can give them a few months.
Your clips are still at $79?
Sorry, but you have no pride in your work. You are hurting fellow contributors as a whole.
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If your 1080P HD clips are priced at $49 against your will, you should inform them that you want out ASAP.
If sales increase to offset this, then I don't care. Time will tell. I think sales won't increase but I can give them a few months.
Your clips are still at $79?
Do the math. There is no way sales will increase enough to offset this cut.
Your royalties will just decrease.
You should also consider what this cut will do to the industry.
We cannot prevent this slide but we can slow it down.
#BoycottDissolve
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While i understand that most people in this business are pragmatists -and understandably so- and they look at it strictly from a financial point of view there is a huge issue in this that i for example can not ignore.
Tell me sincerely that since 2-3 weeks ago people in this forum aren't afraid to post at the videoblocks thread in fear that dissolve may be monitoring,which is not unrealistic for them to be doing given the circumstances.
That pisses me the most,the boogeyman over my head indirectly censoring me in a way.
I have noticed of many people whose prices have recently slashed to 49 and the list is propably growing.
P.S Did anyone receive the weekly report from ds regarding port traffic?is it me or this thing makes little sense?
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Support the 'good' guys: Shutterstock and Pond5 !
I'm unsure if VideoBlocks is a good guy. Only time will tell.
Dissolve is in a dive to the bottom but Artbeats just beat them to it:
https://artbeatsexpress.com/
I'm wandering what Dissolve's response will be to Artbeats new site.
#BoycottDissolve
#BoycottArtbeats
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Support the 'good' guys: Shutterstock and Pond5 !
I'm unsure if VideoBlocks is a good guy. Only time will tell.
Dissolve is in a dive to the bottom but Artbeats just beat them to it:
https://artbeatsexpress.com/
I'm wandering what Dissolve's response will be to Artbeats new site.
#BoycottDissolve
#BoycottArtbeats
That Artbeats site's content sucks. A lot of garbages.
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Support the 'good' guys: Shutterstock and Pond5 !
I'm unsure if VideoBlocks is a good guy. Only time will tell.
Dissolve is in a dive to the bottom but Artbeats just beat them to it:
[url]https://artbeatsexpress.com/[/url] ([url]https://artbeatsexpress.com/[/url])
I'm wandering what Dissolve's response will be to Artbeats new site.
#BoycottDissolve
#BoycottArtbeats
That Artbeats site's content sucks. A lot of garbages.
Artbeats will slowly add footage from their main site:
http://www.artbeats.com/ (http://www.artbeats.com/)
They need the $s
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While i understand that most people in this business are pragmatists -and understandably so- and they look at it strictly from a financial point of view there is a huge issue in this that i for example can not ignore.
Tell me sincerely that since 2-3 weeks ago people in this forum aren't afraid to post at the videoblocks thread in fear that dissolve may be monitoring,which is not unrealistic for them to be doing given the circumstances.
That pisses me the most,the boogeyman over my head indirectly censoring me in a way.
I have noticed of many people whose prices have recently slashed to 49 and the list is propably growing.
P.S Did anyone receive the weekly report from ds regarding port traffic?is it me or this thing makes little sense?
Weekly traffic report is nice to see but archaic. It would be just as easy to copy an email to the contributor every time a sale is made. They could put something catchy like You've Made a Sale in the subject line. Then reference to the clip and the amount sold for. How many clips are in bins etc. is not that useful. I'm still hanging on at $79 so I'm still hanging on.
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Agree, but it's not that it's just archaic and impractical,most notably it doesnt seem to be very reliable either.Some numbers are off which is unforgivable for a database and makes me think that this is a last minute patch-up kind of solution that they came up with just to appear more approachable and reasonable to some people who might be disappointed with them.
I dont think they even wanted to create a different contributor friendly model in the first place and not sure if we will ever see one.Not that it makes any difference at this point.Still hanging on at 79 myself but that doesnt really make me feel any better.Have been trying to figure out if there is really any serious No3 stock footage agency around but i just dont see it.
All i see is agencies that seem to arrive with a bang and slowly vanish or eventually pissing people off due to their policies (or lack thereof).
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I'm pretty disappointed by the price drop and the manner in which they went about it.
Still have clips up there but I'm not sure why. If they start selling really well at $49, then that probably means it's cannibalizing higher priced sales elsewhere. If sales remain the same, well that's just less money for everyone. Lose lose situation.
I had high hopes for dissolve as a new partner, oh well.
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I made in June 300$ in July 24$ and it looks that as for now august seems 0$ in sales at Dissolve doesn't seem strange to you? It really feels weird to me please what do you think?
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Not for me, actually the numbers for this summer trimester are pretty much the same (not in numbers in downward trend) across all agencies including dissolve.
Very high in June (580) a little lower in July (400) and as far as i can tell from trying to figure out the report they sent, certainly so far less for August,butwithout knowing the first week and the last which is yet to come (week of 17-24 though was very bad according to the report but the previous one was good).
Same drop as in p5 and ss and my numbers are still quite decent there tbh.
Which pisses me even more now that i think about it.
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Support the 'good' guys: Shutterstock and Pond5 !
Since SS owns BigStockPhoto and are the ones responsible for initiating their "as low as 33c per video" sub plans, I have to consider them as 'neutral' guys at best.
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If your 1080P HD clips are priced at $49 against your will, you should inform them that you want out ASAP.
If sales increase to offset this, then I don't care. Time will tell. I think sales won't increase but I can give them a few months.
Your clips are still at $79?
Sorry, but you have no pride in your work. You are hurting fellow contributors as a whole.
Lol what? You are the one promoting VB which sells for exactly the same price.
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If your 1080P HD clips are priced at $49 against your will, you should inform them that you want out ASAP.
If sales increase to offset this, then I don't care. Time will tell. I think sales won't increase but I can give them a few months.
Your clips are still at $79?
Sorry, but you have no pride in your work. You are hurting fellow contributors as a whole.
Lol what? You are the one promoting VB which sells for exactly the same price.
Dude, you don't get it. Are you really a contributor? How much money you make from VB's $49 sale vs Dissolve's $49 sale? It's $47 to you from VB and $15 to you from Dissolve. It's all about how much money we can make, not how much they sell for.
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If your 1080P HD clips are priced at $49 against your will, you should inform them that you want out ASAP.
If sales increase to offset this, then I don't care. Time will tell. I think sales won't increase but I can give them a few months.
Your clips are still at $79?
Sorry, but you have no pride in your work. You are hurting fellow contributors as a whole.
Lol what? You are the one promoting VB which sells for exactly the same price.
Dude, you don't get it. Are you really a contributor? How much money you make from VB's $49 sale vs Dissolve's $49 sale? It's $47 to you from VB and $15 to you from Dissolve. It's all about how much money we can make, not how much they sell for.
Alright I misunderstood you, I thought you were talking about pride and fellow contributors but it's actually just about how much money you can make. No shame in that, we all do this for the money or we'd be in the fine arts. $49 is not bad when you get almost 100%, but it's bad when you get 30%. Then there is a grey area, where one might consider to wait and see what happens. That's where I am.
I wonder, did you end your contract with Dissolve over this or haven't your files been lowered to $49? It's very easy to sit behind a keyboard judging people and encouraging them to ditch a source of income if it suits your personal agenda. You dodged this question before.
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If your 1080P HD clips are priced at $49 against your will, you should inform them that you want out ASAP.
If sales increase to offset this, then I don't care. Time will tell. I think sales won't increase but I can give them a few months.
Your clips are still at $79?
Sorry, but you have no pride in your work. You are hurting fellow contributors as a whole.
Lol what? You are the one promoting VB which sells for exactly the same price.
Dude, you don't get it. Are you really a contributor? How much money you make from VB's $49 sale vs Dissolve's $49 sale? It's $47 to you from VB and $15 to you from Dissolve. It's all about how much money we can make, not how much they sell for.
Alright I misunderstood you, I thought you were talking about pride and fellow contributors but it's actually just about how much money you can make. No shame in that, we all do this for the money or we'd be in the fine arts. $49 is not bad when you get almost 100%, but it's bad when you get 30%. Then there is a grey area, where one might consider to wait and see what happens. That's where I am.
I wonder, did you end your contract with Dissolve over this or haven't your files been lowered to $49? It's very easy to sit behind a keyboard judging people and encouraging them to ditch a source of income if it suits your personal agenda. You dodged this question before.
I just asked them to get me out. Hopefully soon I'll be free.
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If your 1080P HD clips are priced at $49 against your will, you should inform them that you want out ASAP.
If sales increase to offset this, then I don't care. Time will tell. I think sales won't increase but I can give them a few months.
Your clips are still at $79?
Sorry, but you have no pride in your work. You are hurting fellow contributors as a whole.
Lol what? You are the one promoting VB which sells for exactly the same price.
Dude, you don't get it. Are you really a contributor? How much money you make from VB's $49 sale vs Dissolve's $49 sale? It's $47 to you from VB and $15 to you from Dissolve. It's all about how much money we can make, not how much they sell for.
Alright I misunderstood you, I thought you were talking about pride and fellow contributors but it's actually just about how much money you can make. No shame in that, we all do this for the money or we'd be in the fine arts. $49 is not bad when you get almost 100%, but it's bad when you get 30%. Then there is a grey area, where one might consider to wait and see what happens. That's where I am.
I wonder, did you end your contract with Dissolve over this or haven't your files been lowered to $49? It's very easy to sit behind a keyboard judging people and encouraging them to ditch a source of income if it suits your personal agenda. You dodged this question before.
I just asked them to get me out. Hopefully soon I'll be free.
Same here.
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I'm happy with everyone leaving all the more for me :)
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I'm happy with everyone leaving all the more for me :)
You can have it for the six or so months they are in business.
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I'm happy with everyone leaving all the more for me :)
You can have it for the six or so months they are in business.
And those guys will never be in the business because nobody will contribute if they make a new site either.
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Just done a bit of Googling. Some of the people complaining here are selling footage for $50 and less on P5, sometimes a lot less.. Which there are of course free to do. But let's keep things in perspective and try not to overreact.
I hope this thing passes over and prices are restored back to $79. Be sure to complain to them directly.
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I'm glad I found this thread. I was half-way through uploading a thousand clips to dissolve, but I think I'll hold off for a while. It's not the $49 price tag that bothers me, but the fact that they betrayed the contributors' trust by changing prices, and that there is nothing stopping them from lowering it further. Also, despite what the CEO may have said to someone in an email about deactivating clips, a contract with a "5-year lock" is terrifying to me.
On the plus side, I learned about Videoblocks' new marketplace and their 100% commissions, so I'll be uploading there instead!
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I'm glad I found this thread. I was half-way through uploading a thousand clips to dissolve, but I think I'll hold off for a while. It's not the $49 price tag that bothers me, but the fact that they betrayed the contributors' trust by changing prices, and that there is nothing stopping them from lowering it further. Also, despite what the CEO may have said to someone in an email about deactivating clips, a contract with a "5-year lock" is terrifying to me.
On the plus side, I learned about Videoblocks' new marketplace and their 100% commissions, so I'll be uploading there instead!
Good move!!
Dissolve is a nightmare for contributors. Those guys don't care about us.
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Looks like competitive e-market decisions always go both ways.
Only hope for them as i see it, since they seem to insist on their current decisions, is to find willing people who are -for personal reasons- attracted to their aesthetic layout and general philosophy,perhaps they will be their last chance to contribute some high production value stock that they will propably need desperately in a few months from now.
I personally never wanted my 15 minutes of fame there, only a somewhat stable business model to which i (and propably the majority of professional in this business) could rely on.
Now that it's gone,who knows what these invisible gods that guide your desisions the so-called "markets" that you so much rely on will do?
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Just received an email from Dissolve telling me they are lowering my clip prices next week to $49.
There were a couple of options. One is I can send them a list of all the clips in my collection that aren't available for $49 elsewhere (you gotta be kidding me, I'm not spending my time doing that) and they will only change those prices.
The second option is I can request for them to deactivate all my clips so they can be easily reactivated at a later date.
Interestingly enough, at the exact same time I got Dissolve's email I also got a notification of a sale from VideoBlocks. I profited over $47 dollars from the single clip sold at VB! With Dissolve's new pricing I would have received just $14.70
It seems pretty clear to me who I would rather support.
Update:
In the end I chose to ask Dissolve to deactivate my 2,000 clips. This is a slippery slope with nowhere to go but down. I'm tired of this nonsense from many of the agencies. An agency that's trying to control how and where I submit my clips to other agencies and one who's immediate response to every challenge seems to be lowering prices is not for me and won't be good for my business or the industry long term.
I think you made a wise choice. Following this thread for a while now and good to see some action is being taken by contributors to punish unfair agencies.
I just felt that if I allowed my clips to sell at Dissolve for $49 and at a lousy royalty rate, how long can SS hold off before they are lowering their prices to compete? While I'm not fond of the $49 price, I applaud VideoBlocks for thinking outside the box and providing a model that is beneficial to contributors. They've come up with something that is a win for all parties.
Dissolve is just following in the footsteps of so many other agencies that completely fail when it comes to innovation that benefits both buyers and sellers as well as the agencies themselves. Ultimately this may doom them to failure.
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I'm not sure what the solution is, but like so many of you, I am tired of giving the bulk of the sale to an entity that provides the front door for customers. I'm equally tired of listening to excuses as to why clips and images need to be priced as low as they are. Getting 100% of $49 is as bad as getting 30% of $79. Not like I don't take the money, I need it, but it doesn't mean either is a good deal. It's just as easy to change the $49 at VB to $29 or $19 or $9 as it was to change $79 to $49 at Dv. You have nothing to say about it that will make them understand.
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I'm not sure what the solution is, but like so many of you, I am tired of giving the bulk of the sale to an entity that provides the front door for customers. I'm equally tired of listening to excuses as to why clips and images need to be priced as low as they are. Getting 100% of $49 is as bad as getting 30% of $79. Not like I don't take the money, I need it, but it doesn't mean either is a good deal. It's just as easy to change the $49 at VB to $29 or $19 or $9 as it was to change $79 to $at Dv. You have nothing to say about it that will make them understand.
That's why I've stayed away from VB. If they become successful they force other sites to lower prices and then what happens if they decide to take 50% royalty or if they stop licensing videos and only promote their free offerings. I'm going to say away and most likely this year go exclusively with Pond5, I've already stopped uploading at iStock and slowed down a lot at SS. I'd move a lot faster if Pond5 would fix a few things but even if they don't I'd still rather support them than the other sites.
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I hear you both. It's hard to know where to draw the line when the sand is always shifting. I'm just doing the best I can.
Pond5 is definitely my favorite as we're able to set fair prices and receive a fair royalty. Pond5, however, was once easily my best earner but it has fallen over the last year to #2 and sometimes even #3 on my monthly earnings hit parade.
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I was wondering if there was any clarity on the pricing at dissolve. Now that I've lost an agency (Revostock) I was hoping to fill the gap with another but I am still confused about the pricing at Dissolve as I've done a quick search and can see clips for sale at $49 and $79.
Who exactly is pricing these clips, is it the contributor or do the staff evaluate the clip and price it accordingly?
Also, has anyone seen any increase in sales this year at Dissolve?
Thanks.
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They match the prices for your clips with the lowest price your clips sell for elsewhere.
My clips are now at $49 because I sell at VB. Sales at Dissolve are actually pretty good for me, and increasing (since the price drop I make more), although my sales are increasing at Shutterstock and VB as well. P5 is doing really bad.
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Sales at Dissolve are actually pretty good for me, and increasing (since the price drop I make more),
This is my biggest complaint about the move to equalize at the lowest price. Those who haven't uploaded to VB lose out to similar lower priced clips.
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I got my account approved on Dissolve, but never got around to uploading. Glad I didn't. I just feel like they're slimy for doing things the way they did.
And now that I've got most of my portfolio on VideoBlocks, I'm enjoying steady sales there.
Most of my microstock friends have told me they will no longer upload new content to Dissolve, though most are making enough sales to not deactivate their portfolios.
It's the same with iStock, most people I know stopped uploading new content and when sales eventually dried up, they removed their portfolios. Dissolve will likely suffer the same fate as most producers will stop submitting new content and eventually they'll pull their existing content leaving Dissolve an empty hulk.
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Same here like dnavarrojr.
Got approved about a year ago but never uploaded anything. I know they have sales and I am loosing this money.
But there is something about dissolve I donīt like.
I upload my videos pretty much to almost every site. It is only Istock that I closed my account with because I was so annoyed by them.
And somehow I donīt want do upload to dissolve.
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I was wondering if there was any clarity on the pricing at dissolve. Now that I've lost an agency (Revostock) I was hoping to fill the gap with another but I am still confused about the pricing at Dissolve as I've done a quick search and can see clips for sale at $49 and $79.
Who exactly is pricing these clips, is it the contributor or do the staff evaluate the clip and price it accordingly?
Also, has anyone seen any increase in sales this year at Dissolve?
Thanks.
Avoid Dissolve like a plague. Just try VideoBlocks and you probably will be happy.
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I got my account approved on Dissolve, but never got around to uploading. Glad I didn't. I just feel like they're slimy for doing things the way they did.
And now that I've got most of my portfolio on VideoBlocks, I'm enjoying steady sales there.
Most of my microstock friends have told me they will no longer upload new content to Dissolve, though most are making enough sales to not deactivate their portfolios.
It's the same with iStock, most people I know stopped uploading new content and when sales eventually dried up, they removed their portfolios. Dissolve will likely suffer the same fate as most producers will stop submitting new content and eventually they'll pull their existing content leaving Dissolve an empty hulk.
Stock agency that doesn't respect contributors will fade out sooner than later. That's just how it is.
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Sales at Dissolve are actually pretty good for me, and increasing (since the price drop I make more),
This is my biggest complaint about the move to equalize at the lowest price. Those who haven't uploaded to VB lose out to similar lower priced clips.
My sales are increasing everywhere but P5, so if I had a choice in this I'd rather have kept my prices at $79. SS seems to be doing great at that pricepoint.
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I was wondering if there was any clarity on the pricing at dissolve. Now that I've lost an agency (Revostock) I was hoping to fill the gap with another but I am still confused about the pricing at Dissolve as I've done a quick search and can see clips for sale at $49 and $79.
Who exactly is pricing these clips, is it the contributor or do the staff evaluate the clip and price it accordingly?
Also, has anyone seen any increase in sales this year at Dissolve?
Thanks.
Avoid Dissolve like a plague. Just try VideoBlocks and you probably will be happy.
I would say that if you are on vb then avoid dissolve. You are simply competing against yourself for lower royalties. Way lower royalties. Thats why i closed my account. If you are not on vb and are on higher paying agencies or pricing your content higher on p5 then you "might" consider them if 30% is okay with you.
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Like said above, getting 100%!of $49 is bad because it tells the buyer that's the market price for video. And it shouldn't be.
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VB at $49 is better than the slew of $10 clips on P5
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VB at $49 is better than the slew of $10 clips on P5
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Luckily I don't sell for $10 on P5.
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I was wondering if there was any clarity on the pricing at dissolve. Now that I've lost an agency (Revostock) I was hoping to fill the gap with another but I am still confused about the pricing at Dissolve as I've done a quick search and can see clips for sale at $49 and $79.
Who exactly is pricing these clips, is it the contributor or do the staff evaluate the clip and price it accordingly?
Also, has anyone seen any increase in sales this year at Dissolve?
Thanks.
Avoid Dissolve like a plague. Just try VideoBlocks and you probably will be happy.
I would say that if you are on vb then avoid dissolve. You are simply competing against yourself for lower royalties. Way lower royalties. Thats why i closed my account. If you are not on vb and are on higher paying agencies or pricing your content higher on p5 then you "might" consider them if 30% is okay with you.
Thanks for your input. Yes 30% does sound low especially if it is of $49. I'm not with VB either and was seriously considering it, but there's something that says $49 per video and 100% royalties doesn't seem right. $49 because it seems a bit low considering the market and I don't like to encourage this price point to customers especially if your content is high quality. Although $49 is OK for smaller agencies that don't represent any threat or dominance to the market.
And 100% contributor royalties seems too high, I know that sounds crazy where a contributor questions a 100% royalty but I would actually feel better if the royalties were something like 80% for contributor and 20% for agency even if it was just to cover admin costs, keep servers running etc. I like to think of when joining an agency both parties mutually benefit in some way in terms of royalties, but that's just me. Now If I could price my clips at say $59 and keep 80% VB would become my new favorite agency :)
btw. I'm not questioning any other contributors reasons for joining a particular agency as we all have our different lives and circumstances. But I'm just not completely sold on VB which then leaves Dissolve to fill the gap, and I originally asked about Dissolve because the lowest my clips sell for $60 on P5 which I feel is reasonable for the quality and length.
Good luck.
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I was wondering if there was any clarity on the pricing at dissolve. Now that I've lost an agency (Revostock) I was hoping to fill the gap with another but I am still confused about the pricing at Dissolve as I've done a quick search and can see clips for sale at $49 and $79.
Who exactly is pricing these clips, is it the contributor or do the staff evaluate the clip and price it accordingly?
Also, has anyone seen any increase in sales this year at Dissolve?
Thanks.
Avoid Dissolve like a plague. Just try VideoBlocks and you probably will be happy.
I would say that if you are on vb then avoid dissolve. You are simply competing against yourself for lower royalties. Way lower royalties. Thats why i closed my account. If you are not on vb and are on higher paying agencies or pricing your content higher on p5 then you "might" consider them if 30% is okay with you.
Thanks for your input. Yes 30% does sound low especially if it is of $49. I'm not with VB either and was seriously considering it, but there's something that says $49 per video and 100% royalties doesn't seem right. $49 because it seems a bit low considering the market and I don't like to encourage this price point to customers especially if your content is high quality. Although $49 is OK for smaller agencies that don't represent any threat or dominance to the market.
And 100% contributor royalties seems too high, I know that sounds crazy where a contributor questions a 100% royalty but I would actually feel better if the royalties were something like 80% for contributor and 20% for agency even if it was just to cover admin costs, keep servers running etc. I like to think of when joining an agency both parties mutually benefit in some way in terms of royalties, but that's just me. Now If I could price my clips at say $59 and keep 80% VB would become my new favorite agency :)
btw. I'm not questioning any other contributors reasons for joining a particular agency as we all have our different lives and circumstances. But I'm just not completely sold on VB which then leaves Dissolve to fill the gap, and I originally asked about Dissolve because the lowest my clips sell for $60 on P5 which I feel is reasonable for the quality and length.
Good luck.
So for me, the logic I used to decide on VB was mainly driven by a few things and it wasn't the 100% in terms of how I weighted them. I do believe that t's inevitable that they will claw back on commissions to the 30% range, 70% for us. But I mainly chose to upload there to get in front of what I already know is coming, which is a lowering of HD as 4K emerges as the new HD.
My thinking around why I uploaded to VB was:
1. The lowering of 4k to $199 from $299. I can infer from this that it will trickle down further to erode $79 HD, and soon, maybe within 6-12 months (my opinion only)
2. All the 4K TV's I am seeing mean there will be consumer demand for 4K that will eventually create higher demand and, therefore, price wars that will have a bullwhip effect on HD
3. IStock's video pricing behavior (same price/commission for 4K as HD). Again this is a strong indicator of where the industry is going so I tried to look 12-18 months out and made my decision to join VB for these main reasons.
Dissolve, however, does not pay very well in comparison and I believe that by supporting them I am hurting me by giving buyers the option to shop there. So I pulled my port.
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Excellent points mantis
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So far it looks like (someone correct me if im wrong) they've priced clips at 49 for those who continued uploading AFTER the announcement.So they didn't go back to change prices from 79 to 49 to those who uploaded all these clips to vb.
And for good reason,a lot people would pull ports and general mayhem would occur.
But the way has anyone seen the new contributor's dashboard that they promised month ago (twice) where all magic things can happen?
Guess not.
That's the extend of things we can expect from them.
So until sales dry out then....
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So far it looks like (someone correct me if im wrong) they've priced clips at 49 for those who continued uploading AFTER the announcement.So they didn't go back to change prices from 79 to 49 to those who uploaded all these clips to vb.
And for good reason,a lot people would pull ports and general mayhem would occur.
But the way has anyone seen the new contributor's dashboard that they promised month ago (twice) where all magic things can happen?
Guess not.
That's the extend of things we can expect from them.
So until sales dry out then....
That's inaccurate. They repriced all of my clips to $49 without me doing a thing but get pissed off.
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So far it looks like (someone correct me if im wrong) they've priced clips at 49 for those who continued uploading AFTER the announcement.So they didn't go back to change prices from 79 to 49 to those who uploaded all these clips to vb.
And for good reason,a lot people would pull ports and general mayhem would occur.
But the way has anyone seen the new contributor's dashboard that they promised month ago (twice) where all magic things can happen?
Guess not.
That's the extend of things we can expect from them.
So until sales dry out then....
That's inaccurate. They repriced all of my clips to $49 without me doing a thing but get pissed off.
So long for my theory then.
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Since they lowered the price on all my clips I stopped uploading. I figured I would wait and see what the impact would be, Dissolve has less than 25% of my portfolio so I wasn't too worried.
So far sales have really dried up there, pretty dramatically actually. Everywhere else things are steady or improving. I wanted to ask for others people's experience.
Perhaps they are on the decline as an agency?
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Since they lowered the price on all my clips I stopped uploading. I figured I would wait and see what the impact would be, Dissolve has less than 25% of my portfolio so I wasn't too worried.
So far sales have really dried up there, pretty dramatically actually. Everywhere else things are steady or improving. I wanted to ask for others people's experience.
Perhaps they are on the decline as an agency?
I see growth,for better or worse.
Same port since June.
Very mixed reports out there so i dont know what to make out of it.
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I'm not uploading anything new either but my clips are still at $79. I would say they are down some from the early days. They may just have many more clips to offer without much increase in customer base.
What I'd like to know is if they think that their strategic move of lowering similarly priced clips to $49 is working out well for them.
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Why ask this though?I would think it does.For them.
Question is does it for contributors?Some say it does others say it's less income because growth of sales can't weight out the massive drop in commission.
To add,i think their biggest fail was that they considered vb as a place that would antagonize them.As it seems vb is notr antagonizing anyone else,nor can it.It makes sales but it's not stable as an agency.
My opinion of them hasn't changed,and now i think i can finally see how their model works.It's not stable it seems to work for us only when massive subscription occur,even if you consider all the massive ups and downs of the other agencies.
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It's a small sample size, but I was selling more at Dissolve at $80 than $49. Looks to me like they pissed off contributors AND are making less $.
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It's a small sample size, but I was selling more at Dissolve at $80 than $49. Looks to me like they pissed off contributors AND are making less $.
Not like I want anyone to lose an income stream but they would have been better off just cancelling contracts than reducing prices for some.