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« on: October 18, 2017, 19:39 »
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Hello everybody.

I come from Getty video, and I am putting all my portfolio in SS, Pond5 and adobe, I have to think others agencies, but for now this are the 3 ones, because I have 2.500 videos and is a hard work to upload and submit all of them.

So, I have been working this month uploading, I have uploaded around 600 videos in each agency, but the incomes doesnt arrive, just 1 video sold in SS. Is this normal? When do you think the "normal" numbers will start to balance?

If you want to check my port and tell your opinion I will apreciate this :)

SS:https://www.shutterstock.com/video/gallery/Silvestre-Garcia-Ortega-2440694/

Getty: http://www.gettyimages.es/search/filmmaker?family=creative&photographer=silvestre%20garcia%20-%20intuitivofilms&sort=best#license

Thanks!



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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 22:50 »
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Hard to say. Nice portfolio. Go for VideoBlocks/Storyblocks as well... you'll probably find it's worth a go. 

« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2017, 02:06 »
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Nice clips, but there are many similars, meaning that your portfolio has more like 100 unique clips.

I would go through the rest of your 2,500 clips and only pick the best of each group. Upload those 500 clips and you will have a diverse portfolio online a lot faster.

Anyway, 100 (unique) is quite a low number, and footage takes a lot longer to sell than images. Pond5 tends to be the slowest site to start generating sales, mainly because they have the biggest library, the most competition. On top of that, their search is not very friendly to new clips.

The Fotolia search is a lot friendlier to new clips, but they don't have that many footage buyers yet. The upside there is that it takes very few sales to get to the top of the search results.

All in all, it can be a year or so before you see things taking off a bit more.

If your clips have a lot of competition from other contributors, it takes a very specific search for them to be found.

This means "general beautiful landscape aerial" will not result in a sale for you, but "specific location aerial with specific lighting conditions (like cadiz, daytime, sunny)" might yield a sale for you. After 5-10 of those sales, more general search terms might start generating sales for that same clip because it now ranks higher.

500 unique clips can be worth more than 2,500 clips with lots of similars since there will be advantages in the search.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2017, 02:13 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2017, 03:13 »
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Thanks SpaceStockFootage, yes I just open account in storyblocks fro trying.

Thanks increasingdifficulty. Interesting point about the unique clips, I also thought for myself that maybe is better less but focused and selection of best shots, than a lot of variations, because it can lose the probability of one of those videos get more sells and visibility... but I saw the tren of other contributtors (big ones) in Getty and I saw that they upload around 20-30 variations...

And in my experience in Getty, is true that my best sellers clips came from little batches of 4-5 clips, but also I have batches of 50 (father with child shooping) and the sells go to a funny clip of them running in the market... I tell this because if I didnt submit all the 50 maybe I wouldnt submited this funny clip... so the market "selec" after you upload, now the funny clip is the more visible and I sell other times...


In the other hand the same microstock agencies reject more than getty (for logos, or people around) so I suppose than of my port of Getty It will reduced to a half... so, maybe this can have the natural filter...

Anyway, thanks very much.

I hope not to wait a year hahahahah

« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2017, 03:47 »
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Side note. Your SS bio reads:

"I am a videographer who loves the nature, the adventure and photography. I do a lot of time lapses and landscapes. I love travel with my camera."

More correct would be:

"I am a videographer who loves nature, adventure and photography. I do a lot of time lapses and landscapes. I love to travel with my camera."

Your English is great, much better than my Spanish!, I just thought I'd let you know as I happened to spot it.

« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2017, 05:51 »
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Side note. Your SS bio reads:

"I am a videographer who loves the nature, the adventure and photography. I do a lot of time lapses and landscapes. I love travel with my camera."

More correct would be:

"I am a videographer who loves nature, adventure and photography. I do a lot of time lapses and landscapes. I love to travel with my camera."

Your English is great, much better than my Spanish!, I just thought I'd let you know as I happened to spot it.

Thanks a lot, I have a lot to learn (or for learning) hahaha, for me this "microstock world" is a challenge for my english, I think that I have learned more than when I was in high school :-p

« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2017, 06:12 »
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You have some great content! I moved over 6k, files to 5 sites in one year. Are you using CSV? very important to do so. It will take around 6months to a years or so to pass the income you made at Getty. It is well worth it but you have to be patient. I made over $300.00 on Adobe just yesterday.

csm

« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2017, 06:25 »
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Hello everybody.

I come from Getty video, and I am putting all my portfolio in SS, Pond5 and adobe, I have to think others agencies, but for now this are the 3 ones, because I have 2.500 videos and is a hard work to upload and submit all of them.

So, I have been working this month uploading, I have uploaded around 600 videos in each agency, but the incomes doesnt arrive, just 1 video sold in SS. Is this normal? When do you think the "normal" numbers will start to balance?

If you want to check my port and tell your opinion I will apreciate this :)

SS:https://www.shutterstock.com/video/gallery/Silvestre-Garcia-Ortega-2440694/

Getty: http://www.gettyimages.es/search/filmmaker?family=creative&photographer=silvestre%20garcia%20-%20intuitivofilms&sort=best#license

Thanks!



Good question.
Something I have been asking myself this year too.
I joined all the main agents at the beginning of the year supplying footage.
Coming from being exclusive to Corbis, supply everyone non exclusively seemed strange to me.

I`ve shot a lot this year, but its been hard work, and worrying if things will materialise. I asked another stock footage contributor a while back how they felt starting out; their reply was that they just had blind faith that things would work out in the end, I`m kind of like that too.

It`s been interesting to see who sells what, and how some agents seemed to have started quicker than others.

I have a thought few times why it takes longer on Pond5, than the others, maybe a lag of a year from submitting, and often wondered why, when other sells clips a month after submitting them.

Not much help when I want things to get up and running, but at least it helps me understand the different markets and to not be too impatient, which it is very hard in this game!

« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2017, 06:49 »
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You have some great content! I moved over 6k, files to 5 sites in one year. Are you using CSV? very important to do so. It will take around 6months to a years or so to pass the income you made at Getty. It is well worth it but you have to be patient. I made over $300.00 on Adobe just yesterday.

Thanks jjneff!!  Wowwww 6k!!! How much time did you needed for arrive to that number?

About CSV.. I am not using, I downloaded a CSV template from SS but I really didnt understand well, so I am doing manually (with the help of the keyword tool of this web) So I will very very apreciate any help about CSV.

And congrats about 300 in Adobe, this is a normal day for you??  Or an atypical day? hehehe Hope became in normal ;)

« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2017, 06:54 »
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Hello everybody.

I come from Getty video, and I am putting all my portfolio in SS, Pond5 and adobe, I have to think others agencies, but for now this are the 3 ones, because I have 2.500 videos and is a hard work to upload and submit all of them.

So, I have been working this month uploading, I have uploaded around 600 videos in each agency, but the incomes doesnt arrive, just 1 video sold in SS. Is this normal? When do you think the "normal" numbers will start to balance?

If you want to check my port and tell your opinion I will apreciate this :)

SS:https://www.shutterstock.com/video/gallery/Silvestre-Garcia-Ortega-2440694/

Getty: http://www.gettyimages.es/search/filmmaker?family=creative&photographer=silvestre%20garcia%20-%20intuitivofilms&sort=best#license

Thanks!



Good question.
Something I have been asking myself this year too.
I joined all the main agents at the beginning of the year supplying footage.
Coming from being exclusive to Corbis, supply everyone non exclusively seemed strange to me.

I`ve shot a lot this year, but its been hard work, and worrying if things will materialise. I asked another stock footage contributor a while back how they felt starting out; their reply was that they just had blind faith that things would work out in the end, I`m kind of like that too.

It`s been interesting to see who sells what, and how some agents seemed to have started quicker than others.

I have a thought few times why it takes longer on Pond5, than the others, maybe a lag of a year from submitting, and often wondered why, when other sells clips a month after submitting them.

Not much help when I want things to get up and running, but at least it helps me understand the different markets and to not be too impatient, which it is very hard in this game!


Thanks! If I can ask, how large is your portfolio? did you move all or are doing as I am doing now? Is working for you? Hehehe many questions... whatever, thanks!

csm

« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2017, 07:06 »
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500 clips, all done this year, uploading to everyone as I go along!

« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2017, 09:56 »
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Like JJNeff I too was exclusive on istock/Getty up until Start of 2016.
I had 6000 clips to transfer to all the big stock sites. It's hard and boring and can seem a slog. I didn't create too much new content in 2016 due to uploading process.

Use CSV - It's a must - Massive time saver. There's nothing to it really. All the big sites now accept it. I use pond5's version and just amend it slightly for the rest.

So a year and a half on and I look back and think why didn't I leave exclusivity years ago?
I'm selling and making way more. Shutter took 6 months for my port to stabilize. Adobe straight away really. Storyblocks (Videoblocks) straight away and Pond5 took around a year until I received a consistent monthly income that I was happy with.

I've only a handful of clips on Dissolve but sell a few every month so my target this year is to upload my port to them. They might be worth checking out?

Remember CSV and good luck!

« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2017, 10:43 »
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Like JJNeff I too was exclusive on istock/Getty up until Start of 2016.
I had 6000 clips to transfer to all the big stock sites. It's hard and boring and can seem a slog. I didn't create too much new content in 2016 due to uploading process.

Use CSV - It's a must - Massive time saver. There's nothing to it really. All the big sites now accept it. I use pond5's version and just amend it slightly for the rest.

So a year and a half on and I look back and think why didn't I leave exclusivity years ago?
I'm selling and making way more. Shutter took 6 months for my port to stabilize. Adobe straight away really. Storyblocks (Videoblocks) straight away and Pond5 took around a year until I received a consistent monthly income that I was happy with.

I've only a handful of clips on Dissolve but sell a few every month so my target this year is to upload my port to them. They might be worth checking out?

Remember CSV and good luck!

Thanks Cider, so now your earnings are better than with getty/istock? This is hopefull for me hehehe.

Can you ask for a favor... I will like to see or reuse a CSV document (no need full fill, just one or two lines for watching how it have to fill, as I mentioned I try to make with CSV but I dont really understand what to put and how :( , if is not a big problem for you or another my email is: info@intuitivofilms.es

Thanks!

« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2017, 10:27 »
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Here is a how to prepare metadata for SS using the one from Pond5.

Incomes might not come right away, it really depends on the variety of your clips and size of portfolio.

« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2017, 14:28 »
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You have some great content! I moved over 6k, files to 5 sites in one year. Are you using CSV? very important to do so. It will take around 6months to a years or so to pass the income you made at Getty. It is well worth it but you have to be patient. I made over $300.00 on Adobe just yesterday.

Thanks jjneff!!  Wowwww 6k!!! How much time did you needed for arrive to that number?

About CSV.. I am not using, I downloaded a CSV template from SS but I really didnt understand well, so I am doing manually (with the help of the keyword tool of this web) So I will very very apreciate any help about CSV.

And congrats about 300 in Adobe, this is a normal day for you??  Or an atypical day? hehehe Hope became in normal ;)

I don't want to spoil the party, but I had about monthly income on Fotolia/Adobe on the very same October,18. It looks like a big potential refund in upcoming days... :((

As for the original question, I'm pretty sure your income will be good enough in several months considering the quality of your videos :)

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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2017, 18:15 »
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I'm using The Extensible Metadata Platform (XMP) for keywording! More convenient and faster than CSV

« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2017, 11:52 »
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Video sales do not happen as fast as photo sales. Generally it takes a few moths after uploading.
Personally I find that good sellers need at least one year to become established. Pond 5 for me is the one that takes more time.
So keep uploading an don't worry

csm

« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2017, 16:07 »
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Video sales do not happen as fast as photo sales. Generally it takes a few moths after uploading.
Personally I find that good sellers need at least one year to become established. Pond 5 for me is the one that takes more time.
So keep uploading an don't worry

Interesting info about Pond5, funny I `ve read a few times that it could take a year for them, and strange why it takes longer for them than others.

« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2017, 21:55 »
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You have some really beautiful content.

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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2017, 05:11 »
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Save yourself Fotolia they dont sell much at all and its even worse now after joining Adobe. SS is Ok and so is Pond5. Videoblocks is also beginning to move.

« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2017, 10:20 »
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Thanks guys (I dont know if there is some women commenting, and I dont sure if guys is just for men) anyway thanks for the advises.

I tried again the CSV but, I think that it works if you upload all your content at once, and I cant do it that way, beacause I have around 2.500 videos (more than 1 terabyte) and because I have to work in my bussines (video production, corporatives videos most) So, I am uploading batch by batch, copying and pasting the keywords (with the tool of this web) and the title from ESP... so I have already submitted 1.000 and they have admitted around 600 (SS) - 800 (pond and adobe)

I tryed in stroyblocks but is so hard to complete the info, you have to do it one by one, is no way of chosing all and aply the same keywords to all... (Maybe it is me, if someone knows how to do it please enlightme )

I started uploading at beganing of October, I sell just one video in SS (This one: https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-31432726) but nothing more...

In adobe I uploaded the past year some videos (80) and I sold 4!! but then I deleted them for putting in Getty (at that point I was exclusive with them) Any way, I thought that if I had sold 4 videos in a few months with 80 videos with 2.000 I will sell a lot more, but for now, nothing :(

I know, I have to be patience and wait as you said... I will share with u, thanks!

« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2017, 11:48 »
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Hi again, I want to share with you my incomings for this first month. I am uploading already my port, so this month started with 30 or 40 videos and now is SS 800, AS 1100 and Pond 1300, as you can see the admitance are very different (I uploaded the same clips)

So, in this month I have sold 4 clips in total, 1 in SS (the second day that I started to upload, and then no more) 1 in AS, and 2 in Pond 5!!! So plus some photos that I sold, I earned around 125 $

I have sorprised with Pond because everybody sayed that it takes more time to starting to sell... and I am desapointed with SS I thought I will sell more there... I hope this month gets better.


« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2017, 13:01 »
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Most of the contributors here are photographers... in reality videos on SS take a lot of time before they start selling (in contrary to images where we had sales almost instantly after uploading them). In our case it is the same for few years now. What we uploaded last year, it barely gets any sales this year. It will probably sell much better next year. But there were some exceptions where some files sold after 3-6 months after uploading them.

And some smartasses here will say that our port is just too small to arguments our statistics. With over 12 thousands of video clips uploaded, we kinda see where things are going.

« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2017, 23:05 »
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Wow, getting almost 800 videos up in a month is amazing. I agree with the fact that the time for video to sell is longer. Almost a week for review and then it seems it takes a week for it to show up in search

« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2017, 10:03 »
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How was the sales at Getty? 


 

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