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« on: November 17, 2015, 21:33 »
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You should make a buyer want to buy at $49 on VideoBlocks rather than paying more on Pond5 or any other sites.  I see some sellers selling for $40 or less on P5 while selling at VideoBlocks as well, but you are making buyers want to buy at $40 or less and only make $20 or less per clip while you can make $47 per clip on VideoBlocks.  Minimum HD price you should set at Pond5 is about $60 if you sell the same clips at VideoBlocks too.  Make your potential buyers want to buy at VideoBlocks at cheaper price than Pond5 so that you make much more money per clip.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2015, 22:24 by helloitsme »


« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2015, 21:47 »
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Exactly why I don't sell at VB.  Encouraging buyers to think $49 is an appropriate price is a mistake.

« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2015, 22:23 »
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Exactly why I don't sell at VB.  Encouraging buyers to think $49 is an appropriate price is a mistake.


For me, only thing that matter is how much I get per clip sale.  So, VB is all good because I don't sell directly at $70-80.

« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2015, 00:11 »
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Exactly why I don't sell at VB.  Encouraging buyers to think $49 is an appropriate price is a mistake.


For me, only thing that matter is how much I get per clip sale.  So, VB is all good because I don't sell directly at $70-80.
You have a very short term outlook for your business. I find your philosophy on what to price your clips at on P5 laughable.

« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2015, 00:14 »
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Exactly why I don't sell at VB.  Encouraging buyers to think $49 is an appropriate price is a mistake.


For me, only thing that matter is how much I get per clip sale.  So, VB is all good because I don't sell directly at $70-80.
You have a very short term outlook for your business. I find your philosophy on what to price your clips at on P5 laughable.


If you want to laugh, laugh.

« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2015, 00:16 »
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Exactly why I don't sell at VB.  Encouraging buyers to think $49 is an appropriate price is a mistake.


For me, only thing that matter is how much I get per clip sale.  So, VB is all good because I don't sell directly at $70-80.
You have a very short term outlook for your business. I find your philosophy on what to price your clips at on P5 laughable.


Selling a clip at $79 doesn't mean anything if you only get $23 versus selling at $49 and get double the $23.  Good luck.

« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2015, 00:36 »
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Exactly why I don't sell at VB.  Encouraging buyers to think $49 is an appropriate price is a mistake.


For me, only thing that matter is how much I get per clip sale.  So, VB is all good because I don't sell directly at $70-80.
You have a very short term outlook for your business. I find your philosophy on what to price your clips at on P5 laughable.


Selling a clip at $79 doesn't mean anything if you only get $23 versus selling at $49 and get double the $23.  Good luck.
I understand percentages. I also understand that they aren't locked in place and that the usual trend for them is downward. I also understand that the buyer doesn't care what percentage you get.

Ask yourself why a company has chosen to host and sell your clips and not retain any of that earning. As if it all just happens for free.

« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2015, 00:53 »
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Exactly why I don't sell at VB.  Encouraging buyers to think $49 is an appropriate price is a mistake.


For me, only thing that matter is how much I get per clip sale.  So, VB is all good because I don't sell directly at $70-80.
You have a very short term outlook for your business. I find your philosophy on what to price your clips at on P5 laughable.


Selling a clip at $79 doesn't mean anything if you only get $23 versus selling at $49 and get double the $23.  Good luck.
I understand percentages. I also understand that they aren't locked in place and that the usual trend for them is downward. I also understand that the buyer doesn't care what percentage you get.

Ask yourself why a company has chosen to host and sell your clips and not retain any of that earning. As if it all just happens for free.


Ask yourself if you are better off making $47 from a single HD sale or $23 regardless of how much the clip was sold for.  You are free to leave and delete your clips at VideoBlocks.  Keep speculating while others make much more per clip.  I'm seeing the money and am happy.  So, I'm laughing.

« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2015, 01:05 »
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Exactly why I don't sell at VB.  Encouraging buyers to think $49 is an appropriate price is a mistake.


For me, only thing that matter is how much I get per clip sale.  So, VB is all good because I don't sell directly at $70-80.
You have a very short term outlook for your business. I find your philosophy on what to price your clips at on P5 laughable.


Selling a clip at $79 doesn't mean anything if you only get $23 versus selling at $49 and get double the $23.  Good luck.
I understand percentages. I also understand that they aren't locked in place and that the usual trend for them is downward. I also understand that the buyer doesn't care what percentage you get.

Ask yourself why a company has chosen to host and sell your clips and not retain any of that earning. As if it all just happens for free.


Ask yourself if you are better off making $47 from a single HD sale or $23 regardless of how much the clip was sold for.  You are free to leave and delete your clips at VideoBlocks.  Keep speculating while others make much more per clip.  I'm seeing the money and am happy.  So, I'm laughing.
Good for you then.

op

« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2015, 03:11 »
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Wait until Shutterstock/Fotolia re-align to $49 and VB, seing that, go down to $29 thinking they cannot compete with the "big boys". And all of this, repeating over and over until prices go to $x.

It happened for photos, it is sure happening for videos.

« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2015, 03:32 »
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What you are saying helloitsme doesn't really make much business sense because most peoples clips can be $100 or more. So you are joining and advertising an agency which doesn't think HD is worth more than $49. In you're own little way (good intensions at heart I know) you're desecrating our video industry. I'd never support an agency who sells video files for that amount. If the vids were low quality and of subjects and content that was poor then maybe? but to sell top quality clips at that price is crazy.

« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2015, 07:54 »
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What you are saying helloitsme doesn't really make much business sense because most peoples clips can be $100 or more. So you are joining and advertising an agency which doesn't think HD is worth more than $49. In you're own little way (good intensions at heart I know) you're desecrating our video industry. I'd never support an agency who sells video files for that amount. If the vids were low quality and of subjects and content that was poor then maybe? but to sell top quality clips at that price is crazy.


Most people's clips are in $60-80 range on pond5, but I see some major contributors pricing their clips around $40 on Pond5 while selling at VideoBlocks at the same time.  I'm talking about them.

« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2015, 07:58 »
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Wait until Shutterstock/Fotolia re-align to $49 and VB, seing that, go down to $29 thinking they cannot compete with the "big boys". And all of this, repeating over and over until prices go to $x.

It happened for photos, it is sure happening for videos.

You really believe that?
That'll cut their profit drastically too.  Shutterstock is doing well and seems totally unaffected by VideoBlocks.  Fotolia has never had any notable video sales in the past anyway.

So, I'll enjoy getting $47/clip royalty on VideoBlocks while you and others get scared away from it.


op

« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2015, 10:35 »
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Wait until Shutterstock/Fotolia re-align to $49 and VB, seing that, go down to $29 thinking they cannot compete with the "big boys". And all of this, repeating over and over until prices go to $x.

It happened for photos, it is sure happening for videos.

You really believe that?
That'll cut their profit drastically too.  Shutterstock is doing well and seems totally unaffected by VideoBlocks.  Fotolia has never had any notable video sales in the past anyway.

So, I'll enjoy getting $47/clip royalty on VideoBlocks while you and others get scared away from it.

I believe that because I've seen it. It happened for photos and now for videos. Price battles (+creation of packs, subscriptions), newcomers as VB, with agressive prices, that become popular and contribute to bring the whole market prices down until another one comes out.

I'm scared of it because when I see the stock business now and what it used to be years before, I can see that we are not going to the right direction. I know it's cliche but don't you value your work more than $49?

weathernewsonline

« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2015, 10:38 »
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What you are saying helloitsme doesn't really make much business sense because most peoples clips can be $100 or more. So you are joining and advertising an agency which doesn't think HD is worth more than $49. In you're own little way (good intensions at heart I know) you're desecrating our video industry. I'd never support an agency who sells video files for that amount. If the vids were low quality and of subjects and content that was poor then maybe? but to sell top quality clips at that price is crazy.

Most peoples clips are at $100 or more?  ok, but are they getting large volume of steady sales at those prices? What will the market bear?.  Now if we upload to more than one site and each price is different maybe that's a good thing to draw in more customers from low budget to higher budget? .


weathernewsonline

« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2015, 10:43 »
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Wait until Shutterstock/Fotolia re-align to $49 and VB, seing that, go down to $29 thinking they cannot compete with the "big boys". And all of this, repeating over and over until prices go to $x.

It happened for photos, it is sure happening for videos.

You really believe that?
That'll cut their profit drastically too.  Shutterstock is doing well and seems totally unaffected by VideoBlocks.  Fotolia has never had any notable video sales in the past anyway.

So, I'll enjoy getting $47/clip royalty on VideoBlocks while you and others get scared away from it.

Here! Here!

I was worried about VB as well until I saw the sales start coming in, not sure if their $49 pricing is the so-called sweet spot or what but if sales keep picking up there then yes I am with you, I rather have steady sales at $49 every day as opposed to maybe or maybe not even one sale at a much higher price, when you do this for a living and don't know if you are going to get paid for an 15-18 hour days work everyday or not....it's not fun.  A bit different for those who have another full time job.

Just wish I had started uploading all of my content to VB back in the spring, learned a lesson the hard way there by holding off.

« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2015, 10:46 »
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What you are saying helloitsme doesn't really make much business sense because most peoples clips can be $100 or more. So you are joining and advertising an agency which doesn't think HD is worth more than $49. In you're own little way (good intensions at heart I know) you're desecrating our video industry. I'd never support an agency who sells video files for that amount. If the vids were low quality and of subjects and content that was poor then maybe? but to sell top quality clips at that price is crazy.

Agreed.... Its sad but the reality is that there will always be people/contributors willing to make the quick buck now because they fail to realize or not care about the bigger picture.
Shutterstock did this with its low price that only attracted half decent talent in the beginning. Once talented contributors started adding to the library, the buyers took notice and attracted more buyers which attracted more downloads. Since this is a global economic marketplace, what is an acceptable to some might not be to others. Soon enough, Shutterstock's library had content to compete with the other major agencies and buyers aren't dumb. Why would they pay more when they don't have to.

« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2015, 12:53 »
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Most anti-Video Blocks people aren't responding to my original post.  I don't care if you sell at VB or not.  That's not the point I raised on my original post.

« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2015, 13:11 »
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Most anti-Video Blocks people aren't responding to my original post.  I don't care if you sell at VB or not.  That's not the point I raised on my original post.
Your original post is non-sensical and narrow. There is nothing to respond to in the fashion you're looking for.

« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2015, 13:13 »
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Most anti-Video Blocks people aren't responding to my original post.  I don't care if you sell at VB or not.  That's not the point I raised on my original post.
Your original post is non-sensical and narrow. There is nothing to respond to in the fashion you're looking for.


Then, say nothing.  You are wasting time of your own.  Just start your own thread instead of being a perpetual wino.

« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2015, 14:08 »
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Pricing is really far more tricky than people think. Over the past few years I would
say SS and P5 are very close in video sales but that's only because I own extremely
rare historical footage that absolutely no one on this planet has ever seen before....
Those clips are priced in the $100's and only offered on P5. Many times now P5 generates as much money per month as SS because of a handful of clip sales.

When I price I always factor in the uniqueness of the subject/clip. I know what I'll earn through SS so I never try to earn more with P5. And I only work with 2 agencies
because other agencies simply don't offer me enough incentive to upload. AND I never
upload a substandard clip. My bg is a professional videographer for 35 years. I wish those who are new/learning had the capacity to recognize that their clip is crap. Agencies filled with professional, skilled, well shot clips and nothing else would make the industry far more attractive to editors/videographers who need a
clip to enhance/complete their project.

« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2015, 15:22 »
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Most anti-Video Blocks people aren't responding to my original post.  I don't care if you sell at VB or not.  That's not the point I raised on my original post.
Your original post is non-sensical and narrow. There is nothing to respond to in the fashion you're looking for.


Then, say nothing.  You are wasting time of your own.  Just start your own thread instead of being a perpetual wino.
"You should make a buyer want to buy at $49 on VideoBlocks rather than paying more on Pond5 or any other sites"

You start your OP with this and expect everyone to agree?

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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2015, 15:44 »
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Ask yourself why a company has chosen to host and sell your clips and not retain any of that earning. As if it all just happens for free.

It doesn't just happen 'for free'. They make their money off of users' subscriptions who can 'shop' at the Unlimited Clips section. The Marketplace section (where we sell our clips) can be considered a Premium collection that probably serves to attract customers. Granted, it's a bold strategy plan, to offer 100% royalties, but as long as it works for them and us, why not enjoy the benefits?

VB doesn't disappoint so far, sales are picking up fast and the RPD is very nice. I make more per video sale and I sell more videos than on SS and Pond5.

Some here are afraid to sell at VB because they think it'll force the market prices down. VB isn't selling at $10, it's $49. A low price, yes, but not too low.
All this bogus talk about how it destroys the market and endangers your future earnings; that'll happen regardless of VB. When 4K becomes the new norm, HD will become what SD is now. An ever increasing supply will dilute sales anyway in the future. So I'd say, get what you can while you can (if the offer is good of course) and stop trying to control the constant change of the market. You're only missing out on sales.

« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2015, 16:42 »
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There are those who are not in favour or against a new agency but upload to test the waters.We are professionals (more or less) not football fans.

And that practice can only be  evaluated and yield results over time and after one has uploaded a big portion of his/her work so there can be accurate data.

For example if vb continues for me like it did during these past 2 weeks i will pull back eventually and delete my best sellers because i want to sell them where they sell.This makes things simple for me although i know that by having them "sitting" in a mediocre agency wont do any harm.

I dont think also that vb threatens anyone,just as videohive doesn't threaten anyone and everything in there is sold for 8 usd.Major producers have thousands of sales at this price there and these same clips are also best sellers everywhere else for moderate to very high prices.

Are they that stupid to steal from themselves?, and im talking 10X the number of sales!

« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2015, 16:44 »
+1
Pricing is really far more tricky than people think. Over the past few years I would
say SS and P5 are very close in video sales but that's only because I own extremely
rare historical footage that absolutely no one on this planet has ever seen before....
Those clips are priced in the $100's and only offered on P5. Many times now P5 generates as much money per month as SS because of a handful of clip sales.

When I price I always factor in the uniqueness of the subject/clip. I know what I'll earn through SS so I never try to earn more with P5. And I only work with 2 agencies
because other agencies simply don't offer me enough incentive to upload. AND I never
upload a substandard clip. My bg is a professional videographer for 35 years. I wish those who are new/learning had the capacity to recognize that their clip is crap. Agencies filled with professional, skilled, well shot clips and nothing else would make the industry far more attractive to editors/videographers who need a
clip to enhance/complete their project.

Good point.

« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2015, 16:48 »
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Most anti-Video Blocks people aren't responding to my original post.  I don't care if you sell at VB or not.  That's not the point I raised on my original post.
Your original post is non-sensical and narrow. There is nothing to respond to in the fashion you're looking for.


Then, say nothing.  You are wasting time of your own.  Just start your own thread instead of being a perpetual wino.
"You should make a buyer want to buy at $49 on VideoBlocks rather than paying more on Pond5 or any other sites"

You start your OP with this and expect everyone to agree?


You just don't get my point.  $79 sale on SS will give a contributor only $24 or so.  $79 sale on P5 will give contributor only $40 or so.   $49 sale on VB will give contributor $47 which is more than those $79 sale on other sites.  More money in our pocket is good, for me at least, maybe not for you.  :)

« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2015, 16:49 »
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Ask yourself why a company has chosen to host and sell your clips and not retain any of that earning. As if it all just happens for free.

It doesn't just happen 'for free'. They make their money off of users' subscriptions who can 'shop' at the Unlimited Clips section. The Marketplace section (where we sell our clips) can be considered a Premium collection that probably serves to attract customers. Granted, it's a bold strategy plan, to offer 100% royalties, but as long as it works for them and us, why not enjoy the benefits?

VB doesn't disappoint so far, sales are picking up fast and the RPD is very nice. I make more per video sale and I sell more videos than on SS and Pond5.

Some here are afraid to sell at VB because they think it'll force the market prices down. VB isn't selling at $10, it's $49. A low price, yes, but not too low.
All this bogus talk about how it destroys the market and endangers your future earnings; that'll happen regardless of VB. When 4K becomes the new norm, HD will become what SD is now. An ever increasing supply will dilute sales anyway in the future. So I'd say, get what you can while you can (if the offer is good of course) and stop trying to control the constant change of the market. You're only missing out on sales.


Thank you sir.  I agree with you 100%.

« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2015, 16:51 »
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Most anti-Video Blocks people aren't responding to my original post.  I don't care if you sell at VB or not.  That's not the point I raised on my original post.
Your original post is non-sensical and narrow. There is nothing to respond to in the fashion you're looking for.


Then, say nothing.  You are wasting time of your own.  Just start your own thread instead of being a perpetual wino.
"You should make a buyer want to buy at $49 on VideoBlocks rather than paying more on Pond5 or any other sites"

You start your OP with this and expect everyone to agree?


You just don't get my point.  $79 sale on SS will give a contributor only $24 or so.  $79 sale on P5 will give contributor only $40 or so.   $49 sale on VB will give contributor $47 which is more than those $79 sale on other sites.  More money in our pocket is good, for me at least, maybe not for you.  :)
I get your point, I got your point, I just don't agree.

« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2015, 17:22 »
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Most anti-Video Blocks people aren't responding to my original post.  I don't care if you sell at VB or not.  That's not the point I raised on my original post.
Your original post is non-sensical and narrow. There is nothing to respond to in the fashion you're looking for.


Then, say nothing.  You are wasting time of your own.  Just start your own thread instead of being a perpetual wino.
"You should make a buyer want to buy at $49 on VideoBlocks rather than paying more on Pond5 or any other sites"

You start your OP with this and expect everyone to agree?


You just don't get my point.  $79 sale on SS will give a contributor only $24 or so.  $79 sale on P5 will give contributor only $40 or so.   $49 sale on VB will give contributor $47 which is more than those $79 sale on other sites.  More money in our pocket is good, for me at least, maybe not for you.  :)

Well I was watching TV last Thursday and saw one of my clips on ITV prime time and I know that that sold for 400 or more depending on license. If that sold for 30 I would be absolutely gutted. That's why I don't upload my clips to low paying agencies...

« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2016, 02:31 »
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And what would you do, if other stock sites start to lower your clips from $79 to $49, because you are under-pricing clips elsewhere? It happened to me.


 

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