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« on: December 20, 2017, 05:52 »
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In the new Adobe CC, they announced that support of legacy QuickTime codecs will be discontinued in the upcoming version.

"Support for import/export of legacy 32-bit QuickTime media will be discontinued in a future version of Premiere Pro. Transcode to a non-legacy format to continue using the media in Premiere Pro after legacy support has ended."

now, the most common codec in all agencies is the very old QuickTime PhotoJPEG.
We need a new codec that will be accepted across the board, since encoding to different codec for each site will be very time consuming...

Can someone map the codecs accepted in each agancy today?


« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2017, 05:56 »
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Finally, no more PJPEG!

ProRes is what you're looking for.

« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2017, 07:57 »
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Finally, no more PJPEG!

ProRes is what you're looking for.

If I could encode ProRes on my PC - I would do it a long time ago...

« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2017, 09:50 »
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PhotoJPEG, nuke it from orbit!
There are several ProRes encoders for Windows, but I haven't tried them. Apple should make it available for Windows. Or Adobe should make an open codec, like they did with DNG for RAW photos.

RAW

« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2017, 10:33 »
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Unfortunately, if you are uploading video to Getty many of the PC ProRes encoders cause problems with their ESP system. Especially if you are uploading large files. I found it easier just to buy a used mac on ebay and use that for encoding.

ProRes has it's limitations. It will not go past 8K and we are already selling a few 6K videos. We need the next generation of video codecs for the PC as soon as possible.

So let the codec wars begin.

« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2017, 06:50 »
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ProRes should support up to 8k but it's dumb as hell to limit a codec to a certain resolution or framerate. Also codec development seems to be limited to delivery codecs such as H265 and not intermediate codecs..
Someone, please build a future proof videocontainer around OpenEXR. Or something else that can support floating point values for HDR and basically limitless resolutions.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2017, 06:53 by ccbcc »

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2017, 07:03 »
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Finally, no more PJPEG!

ProRes is what you're looking for.

If I could encode ProRes on my PC - I would do it a long time ago...


Check out AfterCodecs, if you want to encode ProRes on a Windows PC! Works like a charm in After Effects CC.

« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2017, 05:59 »
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Why will this be scrapped? They could just add an on of switch in preferences. Its not as if they are coding changes for these codecs. They are just using old code. This is such a crappy move by Adobe, tons of archival footage is in these codecs, aswell as cameras sold today that record on them like the Pro Canon DSLRs. We need agencies to standarize on a specific open codec setting and not ProRes which is closed.

« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2017, 06:14 »
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2018, 09:02 »
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What does this mean for all media uploaded as PJPEG?

« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2018, 04:50 »
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So, what should i do now? Stop uploading as PJPEG?

Any more info on AfterCodecs plugin for AE? Is it worth buying? Any free ProRes encoder for Windows? I mean, if AfterCodecs or similar doses the job i am willing to pay for it, just need some info/experience.

Thanks!

« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2018, 02:32 »
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Yes, if anyone has any advice on an alternative codec (for After Effects on a PC) which works for all agencies that would be great!

Just got my head around using Photojpeg!

Does this mean Photojpeg video files already on stocksites will become unusable for clients?

 :o

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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2018, 17:44 »
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It looks like maximum quality h.264 is the only one accepted across the board.

I would expect Shutterstock or Pond5 to respond to this at some point in an updated tech requirement.

« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2018, 02:16 »
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It looks like maximum quality h.264 is the only one accepted across the board.

Who doesn't accept ProRes?

RAW

« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2018, 11:27 »
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The AfterCodecs plugin uses FFMPEG. If you upload to Getty via their ESP you will have problems with larger files.

HD is usually ok but large 4K files made with FFMPEG often have problems on ESP.

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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2018, 12:00 »
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@increasingdifficulty - sorry, I meant that h.264 seems to be the only codec that windows PCs can export that is accepted across the board. All agencies do accept ProRes.

I just remembered though that Assimilate Scratch can apparently still export ProRes from PC. Pretty pricey program though at $650 up-front or $80/month.

Depending on your volume though it might be cheaper than buying a used mac for Prores. Or doing a huge number of ProRes exports in a single month and paying the $80 only when you need it a few times a year. Just some ideas...

I'm going to test it soon to make sure it can still export prores effectively, as they announced it in 2014 and I don't know if it still exists.

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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2018, 12:13 »
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Just read this actually from their latest release notes: "The new QuickTime implementation will shield you against Apple ending its support for QuickTime on Windows."

Not exactly sure what that means as they don't mention prores specifically, but again, will test later with their free trial.

Read it here: http://www.assimilateinc.com/products/#SEC02

« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2018, 12:18 »
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I just remembered though that Assimilate Scratch can apparently still export ProRes from PC. Pretty pricey program though at $650 up-front or $80/month.

Depending on your volume though it might be cheaper than buying a used mac for Prores. Or doing a huge number of ProRes exports in a single month and paying the $80 only when you need it a few times a year. Just some ideas...

As an OS X user, I take ProRes for granted. Is it really this difficult to export ProRes on a Windows machine? After all, it is kind of a standard format.

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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2018, 12:28 »
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Very difficult unfortunately. Apples codec war...

I think it would be great if DNxHD / DNxHR became more widespread.

I recently made the switch from Mac to windows and have been using it a ton and loving it. Its insane the cost difference between hardware for the same performance. For my workflow, PC hardware costs less than half of what a comparable Mac would cost for the same performance.

But not to get too sidetracked, for now will test scratch and probably buy it if ProRes export works well. Or wait to see how the agencies respond.


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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2018, 18:08 »
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It will take years for any new codec to be accepted by all the agencies.

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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2018, 19:36 »
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Probably so, although this seems like it might be a huge issue if Prores is what buyers prefer.

« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2018, 06:38 »
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Workaround: buy a second hand Mac, use Automator (included in MacOS) to make a workflow that watches a network folder, have it transcode whatever you put there into ProRes.

« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2018, 14:06 »
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Why is there an assumption PC cannot do ProRes? All my clips are ProRes and processed in a PC.

You just have to shop for the right software.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2018, 14:43 by Orchidpoet »

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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2018, 14:08 »
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Why is there an assumption PC cannot do ProRes? All my clips are ProRes and processed on a PC.

You just have to shop for the right software.

Youre exporting prores? Or importing?

What software?

RAW

« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2018, 14:16 »
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Why is there an assumption PC cannot do ProRes? All my clips are ProRes and processed on a PC.

You just have to shop for the right software.

Do you upload 4K video to Getty/iStock via ESP?

From what I can tell all PC software the says it can create ProRes uses FFMPEG. What software are you using if it's not FFMPEG?
FFMPEG is not very good at creating 4K video and they often fail for technical reasons on the Getty ESP.

« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2018, 15:12 »
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Google "AnotherGUI", works well for converting to almost any format including many ProRes formats. It uses FFMPEG and I've never had any issues uploading 4k ProRes files that have been converted.

Why is there an assumption PC cannot do ProRes? All my clips are ProRes and processed on a PC.

You just have to shop for the right software.

Do you upload 4K video to Getty/iStock via ESP?

From what I can tell all PC software the says it can create ProRes uses FFMPEG. What software are you using if it's not FFMPEG?
FFMPEG is not very good at creating 4K video and they often fail for technical reasons on the Getty ESP.


As far as ESP goes, 4K for Getty/iStock are the same price as HD, why bother even uploading in 4k?

« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2018, 16:31 »
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I use VideoMach, it's not free. No problem with 4K, importing or exporting. However, I don't upload video to Getty.

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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2018, 16:33 »
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Looks pretty good for $60. Thanks for sending the recommendation. Will have to give it a try.

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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2018, 16:34 »
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Here's the list from Adobe... so it sounds like you can still import and work with PhotoJPEG (Unless that means Motion JPEG - it just says JPEG) you just can't output to it. So it shouldn't be an issue for existing files on the marketplace if buyers can still work with them... as long as Adobe continue providing that native support.

DNxHD would be a pretty good option for PC users until a reliable and consistent way to render ProRes on PC's come about. Not aware of any agencies that take it... but they'll have to look at the options at some point.

Not seeing an H.264 export on there which is interesting. 

Native Video Import:

* DNxHD/DNxHR

* JPEG

* PNG

* ProRes

* Cineform

* DV

* AVCI

* h264

* IMX

* MPEG2

* HDV

* HEVC

* XDCAM

* Uncompressed

* Animation (without delta frames)

 

Native Audio Import:

* Uncompressed

* AAC

* AC3

 

Native Video Export:

* Uncompressed

* DV

* Cineform

* DNxHD/DNxHR

* Animation

* ProRes (Mac only)

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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2018, 16:55 »
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Really strange that h.264 or h.265 aren't on there.

+1 to DNxHR

RAW

« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2018, 17:41 »
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Google "AnotherGUI", works well for converting to almost any format including many ProRes formats. It uses FFMPEG and I've never had any issues uploading 4k ProRes files that have been converted.

Why is there an assumption PC cannot do ProRes? All my clips are ProRes and processed on a PC.

You just have to shop for the right software.

Do you upload 4K video to Getty/iStock via ESP?

From what I can tell all PC software the says it can create ProRes uses FFMPEG. What software are you using if it's not FFMPEG?
FFMPEG is not very good at creating 4K video and they often fail for technical reasons on the Getty ESP.


As far as ESP goes, 4K for Getty/iStock are the same price as HD, why bother even uploading in 4k?

I only upload to Getty not iStock. 4K is different ($575) depending on your deal.

RAW

« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2018, 17:43 »
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I use VideoMach, it's not free. No problem with 4K, importing or exporting. However, I don't upload video to Getty.

VideoMach uses FFMPEG.
Stay away if you want to upload 4K to ESP. It will cause you problems.

Getty went back to accepting PhotoJPEG on their ESP because PC based artists were having too many problems with FFMPEG.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2018, 17:47 by RAW »

« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2018, 18:06 »
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Solution: Don't update premiere.

« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2018, 02:10 »
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I'm not updating Premiere or After Effects. Agencies should really get together and have a workflow for PC users who are probably the majority of their contributors. Is h.264 maximum quality as good as PJPEG? I have never seen this as the case while transcoding.

« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2018, 05:55 »
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I'm not updating Premiere or After Effects. Agencies should really get together and have a workflow for PC users who are probably the majority of their contributors. Is h.264 maximum quality as good as PJPEG? I have never seen this as the case while transcoding.

They both suck. PhotoJPEG has banding issues with gradients.
h264 throws out so much data which only becomes apparent if your client wants to do color grading or vfx/compositing. Even at max quality because 4:2:0 chroma subsampling. In short, it's a great delivery codec, but it's not a great editing codec.

« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2018, 05:58 »
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Exactly, use 10-bit codecs if you do any kind of editing of your clips at all.

« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2018, 05:59 »
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Solution: Don't update premiere.

We already had to downgrade Adobe to 2017 version because the newest version is so half-assed done that it destroyed our workflow.

« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2018, 06:59 »
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Quicktime with photoJPEGs at 100% is great for cross-platform VJ-ing.
You decode on a per frame basis and since it is at 100% settings there is only entropic decoding to be done.
The makers of Resolume Arena advise to use QT with photoJPEG at 100% instead of their own dedicated codec when there is a chance you're going to use a clip with other software than just Resolume.

For submitting to agencies and editing I use ProRes solely though.


 

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