Author Topic: Graphic Leftovers has new Look (Read 15993 times)

rimglow · « **on:** January 25, 2012, 10:44 »

Looks like Graphic Leftovers is now officially GL Stock Images. I love the new Dashboard. Looks like uploading is temporarily disabled.

Anita Potter · « **Reply #1 on:** January 25, 2012, 13:14 »

Thanks for the heads up on this I hadn't been there in a while. It's gonna take some time to get used to the new dashboard though. It seems like there's more information for us to look at on there now.

michaeldb · « **Reply #2 on:** January 25, 2012, 14:28 »

Quote from: Anita Potter on January 25, 2012, 13:14

It's gonna take some time to get used to the new dashboard though. It seems like there's more information for us to look at on there now.

It didn't take me much time, considering how completely they changed everything. It all seemed to make sense right away. I guess they learned from the right and wrong things other sites have done. All the changes look great to me.

mtkang · « **Reply #3 on:** January 26, 2012, 01:35 »

hope it got a push in sales!

lisafx · « **Reply #4 on:** January 27, 2012, 13:03 »

Not sure if this has already been mentioned somewhere, but they have also changed their pricing structure. Now, instead of all images being $6, with us receiving $3.12, it goes from $1, $3, $6.

With the minimal volume there (I average about 4 sales a month on around 6k images!) I don't think .52/sale is worth uploading for. If I don't see a BIG increase in volume it might be time to pull the plug on GL.

Too bad, because I had high hopes for them in the beginning...

fotografer · « **Reply #5 on:** January 27, 2012, 13:21 »

Quote from: lisafx on January 27, 2012, 13:03

Not sure if this has already been mentioned somewhere, but they have also changed their pricing structure. Now, instead of all images being $6, with us receiving $3.12, it goes from $1, $3, $6.

With the minimal volume there (I average about 4 sales a month or around 6k images!) I don't think .52/sale is worth uploading for. If I don't see a BIG increase in volume it might be time to pull the plug on GL.

Too bad, because I had high hopes for them in the beginning...

I had all of mine set at 10$ and got 5.20$ per sale so it makes a bigger difference to me. Like yourself only get about 4 sales a month.

cthoman · « **Reply #6 on:** January 27, 2012, 13:36 »

Quote from: lisafx on January 27, 2012, 13:03

Not sure if this has already been mentioned somewhere, but they have also changed their pricing structure. Now, instead of all images being $6, with us receiving $3.12, it goes from $1, $3, $6.

With the minimal volume there (I average about 4 sales a month or around 6k images!) I don't think .52/sale is worth uploading for. If I don't see a BIG increase in volume it might be time to pull the plug on GL.

Too bad, because I had high hopes for them in the beginning...

I'm concerned about this as well. Hopefully, the volume compensates for it, but it would be nice to be able to adjust the prices on the smaller sizes too.

Like others have said you can increase the max price. The max now is $15 instead of $20 ($15, $7, $3 price structure) which is what I have mine set at. I wrote to support last year to have them change all my files at once.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #7 on:** January 27, 2012, 13:42 »

Quote from: lisafx on January 27, 2012, 13:03

Not sure if this has already been mentioned somewhere, but they have also changed their pricing structure. Now, instead of all images being $6, with us receiving $3.12, it goes from $1, $3, $6.

With the minimal volume there (I average about 4 sales a month or around 6k images!) I don't think .52/sale is worth uploading for. If I don't see a BIG increase in volume it might be time to pull the plug on GL.

Too bad, because I had high hopes for them in the beginning...

Race to the bottom by GL.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #8 on:** January 27, 2012, 13:47 »

Quote from: cthoman on January 27, 2012, 13:36

Quote from: lisafx on January 27, 2012, 13:03
Not sure if this has already been mentioned somewhere, but they have also changed their pricing structure. Now, instead of all images being $6, with us receiving $3.12, it goes from $1, $3, $6.

With the minimal volume there (I average about 4 sales a month or around 6k images!) I don't think .52/sale is worth uploading for. If I don't see a BIG increase in volume it might be time to pull the plug on GL.

Too bad, because I had high hopes for them in the beginning...

I'm concerned about this as well. Hopefully, the volume compensates for it, but it would be nice to be able to adjust the prices on the smaller sizes too.

Like others have said you can increase the max price. The max now is $15 instead of $20 ($15, $7, $3 price structure) which is what I have mine set at. I wrote to support last year to have them change all my files at once.

Looking like a page out of Cutcaster.

lisafx · « **Reply #9 on:** January 27, 2012, 13:56 »

Quote from: cthoman on January 27, 2012, 13:36

Like others have said you can increase the max price. The max now is $15 instead of $20 ($15, $7, $3 price structure) which is what I have mine set at. I wrote to support last year to have them change all my files at once.

Very helpful info Cory. Thanks! I just contacted them.

stockastic · « **Reply #10 on:** January 27, 2012, 14:55 »

Quote from: lisafx on January 27, 2012, 13:03

Not sure if this has already been mentioned somewhere, but they have also changed their pricing structure. Now, instead of all images being $6, with us receiving $3.12, it goes from $1, $3, $6.

Aaaagh. No, I hadn't noticed that and it's really disappointing. Like you said, sales are few but it was fun to get $3. If it's just becoming another sub-$1 bargain bin, well... I no longer have much reason to upload. Unless maybe I decide to set all my prices to the max.

Metsafile · « **Reply #11 on:** January 27, 2012, 17:40 »

An adjustment of pricing is something they probably had to try because the old structure just wasn't working.
I hope it works for them and improves contributor returns.

stockastic · « **Reply #12 on:** January 27, 2012, 18:36 »

Quote from: Metsafile on January 27, 2012, 17:40

An adjustment of pricing is something they probably had to try because the old structure just wasn't working.
I hope it works for them and improves contributor returns.

I suppose you are right. But it seems like for many of us, the difference between "worth doing" and "waste of time" seems to come down to about a dollar or two more per photo. And it's hard for me to believe buyers are really that price sensitive. Who are all these designers, working on projects where the budget for a photo is in single digits?

cthoman · « **Reply #13 on:** January 27, 2012, 19:42 »

Quote from: Metsafile on January 27, 2012, 17:40

An adjustment of pricing is something they probably had to try because the old structure just wasn't working.
I hope it works for them and improves contributor returns.

I find that hard to believe. Their sales volume is low, but the higher price per sale easily catapults their (or at least my) monthly earnings above more well known names like Big Stock. Also, wouldn't it make more sense to raise prices to get more money, rather than lower them and hope more buyers magically show up. Finally, the idea of a one size/one price has been used for vectors at iStock for a long time, and they are still (even with dipping sales) one of the most successful microstock companies.

Sorry for the rant. I'm just concerned this is a step in the wrong direction.

michaeldb · « **Reply #14 on:** January 27, 2012, 22:52 »

My sales have picked up quite a bit since the changes at GL. So if one of their goals is more volume, it may be working. Anyway, I have no plans to stop submitting. Submission is so easy that it takes almost no time. Might as well give them a chance and see how things go.

lagereek · « **Reply #15 on:** January 28, 2012, 01:49 »

The logic here seems a bit wonky? if they dont buy the pic for 6 bucks, why should they buy them for 12 or even 15? I must have missed something.

Yes, same as Lisa, I had great hopes for GL, run by grpahic people who knows their way around, etc. Obviously these elusive buyers dont appreciate that.

cthoman · « **Reply #16 on:** January 28, 2012, 02:24 »

Quote from: lagereek on January 28, 2012, 01:49

The logic here seems a bit wonky? if they dont buy the pic for 6 bucks, why should they buy them for 12 or even 15? I must have missed something.

Yes, same as Lisa, I had great hopes for GL, run by grpahic people who knows their way around, etc. Obviously these elusive buyers dont appreciate that.

To be honest, I didn't see a dip in sales when I moved my prices from $10 to $15. In fact, my overall revenue has been up since I made the switch. I can't claim to know the reason why or say it's the best move for everyone, but I think it's crazy that people are selling at $6 though. That just seems too low. I guess everyone has their own strategies on how things work best though. I guess if nothing else, you can use the price setting as your own personal laboratory.

stormchaser · « **Reply #17 on:** January 28, 2012, 04:02 »

With you people I guess you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. See the message here:

http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/is-hits-rock-bottom/msg193173/#msg193173

Ok so now they've done it (offered tiered pricing) and you're still not happy. You can keep slumming on photogloom or grovel for 12 cents on istock. It's all your choice. In my opinion the sizing will attract a new buyer demographic, and you have to give the new model more than 3 days before you go stamping your feet and crying Woe Is Me.

lagereek · « **Reply #18 on:** January 28, 2012, 05:42 »

Quote from: stormchaser on January 28, 2012, 04:02

With you people I guess you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. See the message here:

http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/is-hits-rock-bottom/msg193173/#msg193173

Ok so now they've done it (offered tiered pricing) and you're still not happy. You can keep slumming on photogloom or grovel for 12 cents on istock. It's all your choice. In my opinion the sizing will attract a new buyer demographic, and you have to give the new model more than 3 days before you go stamping your feet and crying Woe Is Me.

Well hi there buddy! I dont care about the pricing, important thing is that they sell, regardless of price.

stockastic · « **Reply #19 on:** January 28, 2012, 10:58 »

I suppose we should think about the other agencies where we've had our prices cut and then seen the increased sales volume more than make up for it. Um, are there any?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 28, 2012, 11:20 »

Quote from: stockastic on January 28, 2012, 10:58

I suppose we should think about the other agencies where we've had our prices cut and then seen the increased sales volume more than make up for it. Um, are there any?

Tryingmybest · « **Reply #21 on:** January 28, 2012, 13:32 »

Quote from: cthoman on January 27, 2012, 13:36

Quote from: lisafx on January 27, 2012, 13:03
Not sure if this has already been mentioned somewhere, but they have also changed their pricing structure. Now, instead of all images being $6, with us receiving $3.12, it goes from $1, $3, $6.

With the minimal volume there (I average about 4 sales a month or around 6k images!) I don't think .52/sale is worth uploading for. If I don't see a BIG increase in volume it might be time to pull the plug on GL.

Too bad, because I had high hopes for them in the beginning...

I'm concerned about this as well. Hopefully, the volume compensates for it, but it would be nice to be able to adjust the prices on the smaller sizes too.

Like others have said you can increase the max price. The max now is $15 instead of $20 ($15, $7, $3 price structure) which is what I have mine set at. I wrote to support last year to have them change all my files at once.

But with their extremely easy upload process for vectors, don't you think it's still worthwhile to submit?

stormchaser · « **Reply #22 on:** January 28, 2012, 14:19 »

Quote from: TheBlackRhino on January 28, 2012, 13:32

But with their extremely easy upload process for vectors, don't you think it's still worthwhile to submit?

Really. It's not like you have to do any work there except get your IPTC input on the image. Maybe some would like to sit and pick categories all day.

stockastic · « **Reply #23 on:** January 28, 2012, 15:53 »

Yeah. I guess every time an agency cuts prices, the announcement should also say "BUT, we're happy to announce we've made it even easier for you to upload". Since we can upload faster, we'll make it up on volume.

When commissions get to zero, the agencies will send a guy with a portable drive to your house, to get your photos.. You won't have to lift a finger.

lisafx · « **Reply #24 on:** January 28, 2012, 18:16 »

Quote from: stormchaser on January 28, 2012, 04:02

Ok so now they've done it (offered tiered pricing) and you're still not happy. You can keep slumming on photogloom or grovel for 12 cents on istock. It's all your choice. In my opinion the sizing will attract a new buyer demographic, and you have to give the new model more than 3 days before you go stamping your feet and crying Woe Is Me.

Sorry, I have no idea what you mean or to whom this is directed. You must be reading a different thread than I am.

If you are going to come in here and start hurling insults, you should be clearer about who you are insulting, and exactly what has you so worked up....

lagereek · « **Reply #25 on:** January 29, 2012, 02:53 »

Quote from: lisafx on January 28, 2012, 18:16

Quote from: stormchaser on January 28, 2012, 04:02
Ok so now they've done it (offered tiered pricing) and you're still not happy. You can keep slumming on photogloom or grovel for 12 cents on istock. It's all your choice. In my opinion the sizing will attract a new buyer demographic, and you have to give the new model more than 3 days before you go stamping your feet and crying Woe Is Me.

Sorry, I have no idea what you mean or to whom this is directed. You must be reading a different thread than I am.

If you are going to come in here and start hurling insults, you should be clearer about who you are insulting, and exactly what has you so worked up....

Yep, another know-it-all.

stormchaser · « **Reply #26 on:** January 29, 2012, 04:54 »

Well don't even know why I posted here anyway as I only submit to 2 places these days and have pastures much greener than micro. Here's a company trying to gain business. You (ok, one selected commenter) asked for Sml, Med, Lg pricing, and then are PO'd when you get it. I'm not the one who has my knickers in a twist here. But you really need to give a new model a chance, and 3 or 4 days is not an acceptable trial.

Have they cut commissions yet? Have they gone to subs? Are they putting you in canisters and then them taking them away? Have they become involved in shady partner programs where your work becomes diluted and stuff lands everywhere on the web? Sorry I quit the microstock slumlords for all of these reasons.
Here is a company trying to attract a different buyer demographic. That's all. And if people don't need a 5200 pic long side image, they're simply not going to buy it.

Reference thread regarding confusion about partner programs:

http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/gograph-com-stolen-images/msg241153/?topicseen#new

And just an info side note for Lisa - awhile back I found an Asian blog who was blogging all of your images off DT and others. The site was simply throwing the bait out for buyer referrals. From what I could find he wasn't even a submitter anywhere. Not only your stuff, some others here too. And if I ever run across it again I will post it. But for all I know, it could have been a "partner site." But it just looked like blogging for pocket change to me.

stockastic · « **Reply #27 on:** January 29, 2012, 11:31 »

stormchaser, yes I did get your point(s). And yes GL seems to be trying to do many of the right things, and not the wrong things - of which I suspect the "shady partner programs" will prove to be the worst in the long run.

GL started out with no "people" shots at all. That sounded great to me, because I don't do people, mostly uncommon objects and things that take a little work to set up. And buyers would be looking specifically for my subjects and be happy to pay a few bucks. GL put about 1/3 of my photos in their featured collection. It seemed like a good match.

Now both the unique focus and the higher prices seem to be going away. I just feel like these agencies aren't succeeding in differentiating themselves and are converging on the same model - with a price point just below where a lot of us say "forget it".

IMHO we shouldn't be putting our photos on numerous sites just because it's easy to do so. Many seem to be now "partnering" like mad with anyone willing to pay an up-front fee, and we'll inevitably lose control of our work as it's passed down this food chain, where each level is shakier, less ethical and less accountable than the preceding one.

michaeldb · « **Reply #28 on:** January 30, 2012, 13:53 »

It is difficult or impossible to predict what will really work when selling things to people. I have just been reading The Lean Startup, which really makes that point.

So far it looks like GL's changes are working for me, at least. I have 10 dls there today so far, my BDE.

lisafx · « **Reply #29 on:** January 30, 2012, 16:13 »

Quote from: stormchaser on January 29, 2012, 04:54

And just an info side note for Lisa - awhile back I found an Asian blog who was blogging all of your images off DT and others. The site was simply throwing the bait out for buyer referrals. From what I could find he wasn't even a submitter anywhere. Not only your stuff, some others here too. And if I ever run across it again I will post it. But for all I know, it could have been a "partner site." But it just looked like blogging for pocket change to me.

Thanks for the info. If you happen to run across something like that again and feel like sending me a PM I will check into it.

Great points above Stocktastic, about the confusing layers on partners, etc. making it harder to keep track of our work.

ETA: Maybe I am less than enthusiastic about this change because, unlike Michaeldb, I am not seeing any increase in volume to compensate the lower prices.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 30, 2012, 16:47 »

I don´t think it is a "bad" idea from GLO (actually I enjoy it) but I do think that they can have an opt in/out regarding the pricing (sizes)

it would make a buyer just a little confused perhaps but nothing compare to collections at iStock

I am sure GLO will hear this suggestion

lirch · « **Reply #31 on:** March 01, 2012, 15:15 »

I think it's safe to say that Graphic Leftovers has earned his place in the middle tier, considering that they have accomplished so much in such a short period of time.

michaeldb · « **Reply #32 on:** March 01, 2012, 20:53 »

Quote from: lirch on March 01, 2012, 15:15

I think it's safe to say that Graphic Leftovers has earned his place in the middle tier, considering that they have accomplished so much in such a short period of time.

I agree. In my tiers, GL is pretty high up, and way ahead of Deposit Photos, and Panthermedia.

Metsafile · « **Reply #33 on:** March 02, 2012, 00:46 »

Quote from: lirch on March 01, 2012, 15:15

I think it's safe to say that Graphic Leftovers has earned his place in the middle tier, considering that they have accomplished so much in such a short period of time.

They have successfully produced an improved site but the low tier is where they belong.

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