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« on: July 29, 2009, 12:29 »
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I have found this new site about a month ago: newbielink:http://"http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=marish/" [nonactive]

The concept of the site - selling your "leftovers", such as logos, backgrounds, illustrations etc.

I have uploaded some of my microstock works and the were quite successfull there...

One of the most pleasant features - you can set the price yourself and they pay you 52% of the sales

newbielink:http://"http://graphicleftovers.com/selling/ref=marish/" [nonactive]



bittersweet

« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2009, 12:56 »
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Oops. Your referral link is broken.
try this one.

« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2009, 13:30 »
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Oh boy! You are gonna lose a lot of customers if people sign up for this one. It appears to be quite low on either alexa or compete.com rankings and for %5 bonus you might lose the small sales you have there!

Enjoy! I don't get why people are so keen to recruit others to make money from the same pool they are in! They haven't currently got enough customers for everybody reading this forum.

Maybe they have a few customers for you. But soon they won't have enough buyers if you keep referring at this speed!  :D

You are only helping the site, and not helping yourself at all.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2009, 14:22 by cidepix »

« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2009, 14:57 »
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I had a good look at the site and I found some ridiculous things.

I am sure someone from graphicleftovers is reading this post and they may have an explanation for this ridicule!

What they say here: http://graphicleftovers.com/selling/

and what they say here: http://graphicleftovers.com/contributor_agreement/

ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT things!

My intention is not to bash you guys, but as you are aware of istock and vectorstock, you are definitely aware of this forum as well. You need to make sure your terms and conditions say the same thing as your promotion page for sellers!

So, we are supposed to set the price? Your contributor agreement does not say so!

What's even worse is your terms and conditions are almost identical to that Australian site that I don't need to mention here as they are not our main subject right now! You changed the commissions bit and a few other things in a good way but didn't change the rest!

If you are going to copy and paste someone elses terms and conditions, then make sure you read them properly. And You don't have marketplaces like they have! At least not yet. Am I mistaken? Different categories does not mean marketplaces.

I know your model, and you seem to be an improved one so congrats on that! I like %52 commission, I also like that we can (supposedly) set our own price! But I definitely don't like the amateur mistakes.

Your first sentence in the agreement says "an contributor"?! It is not a forum post guys, you can't make that mistake. You have a few more mistakes below.

That's definitely not going to get you any contributors, at least not the ones who knows how to read!

Finally, I wish you success, because I like what you say in your offer page! Good luck, but you need corrections!
« Last Edit: July 29, 2009, 15:01 by cidepix »

« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2009, 17:19 »
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@ cidepix

Your comments about the legal agreements are appreciated. These are good things for us to hear since we are newer and we are going to fix the problem as soon as possible.

As far as the referral program goes, I would have to disagree with you about only helping the site and not yourself. We all know that istock and vectorstock have been around for a long time now, but the approval process, submission process and customer service are lacking. They aren't very focused on making contributors happy; they are focused on making as much money as possible. This is evident by the low commission rates they pay as well as the strict submission process and gradually rising rates for buyers. We added a referral program to help contributors make more money than they already can just selling artwork, and that consequently increases traffic to our site. We have been around for about a year and a half now, so we have a lot more traffic than just one person can bring in using referral links, and I will also say that the compete numbers are grossly understated.

Again, we are no istock or vectorstock. They have been around for years while we just celebrated our year anniversary with a new site launch in March. We want to focus on showcasing great artwork and letting contributors stand out on a different site, being a "big fish in a small pond." Istock gets more than 50,000 submissions a week I'm sure, so how are contributors benefitting from submitting graphics there when they will get lost in the shuffle in a few weeks or a month?

Thanks for the constructive criticism, it helps us build a better website.

And, by the way, marish's referral link: http://graphicleftovers.com/selling/ref=marish/

« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2009, 18:35 »
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You are welcome!

As I said my intention wasn't to bash your website. I later realized you have a feedback button on the left handside. Probably I could have used that as well but I was somehow sure you were around.

I generally like it, I wish you all the success. Your ideas sound better than most. A few corrections and you should be fine.

There is nothing wrong with your referral program, it is actually a great way to drive traffic to your website. Good referral commission, good contributor commission, and the best is: there is no time limit with the referral commissions. If you actually think about it, I didn't criticize this in the first post. It was the opening post who tries to refer contributors before buyers  ;) I would rather try to refer some buyer's first! That was what I meant.

But you are on the right path in my opinion! That's exactly what I would do with the referrals If I started a site. It is time commissions go up. I usually get %80 to %90 commission when I get real illustration projects, I don't see why stock is any different. Just because someone started a bad trend, it doesn't mean it has to continue..

You have been added to my bookmarks, I will be following it closely to see how the site improves. Good luck again!

« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2009, 18:52 »
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Neat site! I bookmarked it too. After reading the licensing agreement, it is definitely a lot looser than most micros. The pricing scheme seems good and on par with other sites, but not having extended licensing for resale items (and some other extended licensing) is definitely a lot lower than the micros. Just my 2 cents. Good luck! I'll keep my eye on your site.

« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2009, 14:25 »
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Thanks for the compliments, cidepix. I hope you enjoy the site!

Our next big additions to the site are going to be an FTP uploader to accommodate artists who have hundreds or thousands of graphics to upload, and fixing the legal agreements :)

« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2009, 18:28 »
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Thanks for the compliments, cidepix. I hope you enjoy the site!

Our next big additions to the site are going to be an FTP uploader to accommodate artists who have hundreds or thousands of graphics to upload, and fixing the legal agreements :)

Sounds good!

I might give it a shot as soon as I see your agreements confirm what you offer on other pages. Especially paragraphs about setting our own prices. I am used to take a copy of the agreement before I join any site. 

I guess I would probably use your 3 - 5 - 10 range anyway because it makes more business sense to me.

I really like your approach! Everytime I see a newsite offering ridiculously low commissions I am getting closer to the idea of starting my own site just to get what I deserve.

I hope it goes well for you!

helix7

« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2009, 13:17 »
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Digging the new site design, but my sales there have tanked lately. Guess everyone got on board with this one.

graficallyminded

« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2009, 19:00 »
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Sales are down a little, but it's probably just December syndrome.  Things will be back to normal come January, I'm sure.

« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2009, 16:46 »
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Although more artists have been signing up since our new site launch, overall traffic to the site is lower than normal so we suspect the holidays have something to do with it! Our new site is better optimized for SEO and is at least 70% faster, provides more emphasis on our amazing artists and their portfolios, and it's more user friendly which would normally lead to more traffic/sales. So hopefully your sales will start to come back after the holiday "recession." I don't believe your lower sales are a result of new artists adding their portfolios.

helix7

« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2009, 10:16 »
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Thanks, Dan. Guess we'll just have to wait and see how January goes. Hoping for more sales. :)


« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2010, 16:21 »
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Is anybody else having problems uploading stuff to Graphic Leftovers? It's been 3 days now but I get an 2308 error when I try to upload anything. Mailed support. No reply yet.

« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2010, 17:27 »
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i have upload problems too, i upload and sometimes photos disappears

« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2010, 00:31 »
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My apologies Klauts. I thought I had replied to you but apparently I hadn't. I am trying to find out what error #2308 means. Does it happen every time you upload? Could you possibly send a screen shot to me at daniel [at] graphicleftovers.com? It would help me find the bug more quickly.

Mile: I haven't seen images disappear yet with our new uploader. If it happens again, could you email us and let us know which files did not show up for you? Or you can just send us a list of the files that disappeared for you. It would help us out a lot.

I'm really sorry about the problems you are experiencing with our uploader. With the launch of our new site, we added a new uploader and we are still working out a few minor glitches, so if you find any problems, please let us know so we can fix them. Thanks!


« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2010, 06:33 »
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I upload now with FTP and it's OK. Danoph thanks for fast support. Maybe my browser have problems with flash uploaders, i also have problem when upload in MostPhotos with flash uploader.

« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2010, 13:06 »
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I found out the problem is actually from the flash uploader. Error #2038 is a "generic" flash error that doesn't provide very many details with it. It seems like artists who are having trouble either have outdated versions of flash or are using a version of windows that has problems with flash uploaders. If anyone else has problems uploading using our flash uploader, don't hesitate to ask us for an FTP account!

« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2010, 18:16 »
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I joined a month ago and very satisfied: easy upload and surprised about the sales!

« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2010, 01:12 »
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just took a quick look at the site. Seems to me like its pretty easy to just trace images you get off the web and say its yours like this guy who has tons of sports images... apparently all taken by him/her

http://graphicleftovers.com/designer/leonido/page/1/

What kind of approval process is there on this site?

Am i wrong to call out people like this?

« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2010, 02:38 »
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Nice site,very fast reviewing and I have sales already!

http://graphicleftovers.com/ref=ivelin/
« Last Edit: February 18, 2010, 10:33 by Ivelin Radkov »

« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2010, 05:33 »
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just took a quick look at the site. Seems to me like its pretty easy to just trace images you get off the web and say its yours like this guy who has tons of sports images... apparently all taken by him/her

http://graphicleftovers.com/designer/leonido/page/1/

What kind of approval process is there on this site?

Am i wrong to call out people like this?

I think you are right to bring this up, have you reported it to the site?  Sometimes the reviewers are a bit inexperienced and make mistakes, I have seen it happen with some of the other sites.  They need to be told if there is a copyright problem.

« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2010, 15:09 »
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The reason i bring it up is because i was interested in the possibility of signing up with them too.  :-[

« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2010, 14:17 »
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Hi VB,

I understand your concern. We police the site as much as possible to make sure artists aren't stealing or copying and uploading others' images. The same images you pointed out are approved and being sold on other stock sites such as dreamstime and shutterstock, so I don't know if our approval process is the thing in question.

Your concern does bring up another question of whether to ask vector illustrators for proof of original photos (if they appear to be traced) to determine if they had in fact traced their own photo or someone else's. I think this would be extremely cumbersome for us during the approval process as well as for our artists uploading, and there is a fine line between what could be considered their own and someone else's work. Another question: if you take a photo of an athlete at an event while someone standing right next to you is taking the same exact picture at the same time, it would be difficult to prove which photo had been traced! Right now, there wouldn't be an easy solution for all of these problems. We would gladly appreciate input on the topic if you have advice.

helix7

« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2010, 17:16 »
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I think istock and GraphicRiver have good policies when it comes to source material. You need to provide a link or attach an image showing your source files for anything that was obviously derived from a source of some sort (silhouettes, paint splatters, sketches, etc). It's an extra step in the upload process, but I think it's worthwhile. From the perspective of the agency, all you would need to do is allow an attachment to be included with the main files during upload.

It's not fool-proof, but it's a deterrent.



 

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