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« Reply #125 on: January 11, 2013, 08:49 »
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tracing other people's work "for stock" is ok, ONLY if you have written permission from the owner of the source material..


Microbius

« Reply #126 on: January 11, 2013, 09:04 »
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....I notice at least 80% of yr post are about reporting the frauds and scams commited by contributors.....

Now looking through your posts I notice that a large percentage are defending stealing other people's work. I know which side of the fence I'd rather be on, if you prefer to steal rather than create, you are in the wrong business

Microbius

« Reply #127 on: January 11, 2013, 09:35 »
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That would be called creating a derivative work, and yes it takes talent and yet it is legal...

Although lets not forget that Fairey was actually sued over the Obama pic, then sued again for faking evidence.....

DavidBaker

    This user is banned.
« Reply #128 on: January 11, 2013, 10:17 »
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Also if you don't contribute to micro what was this post about?
http://www.microstockgroup.com/illustration-general/shutterstock-terminated-my-account/msg287498/#msg287498
It is funny how SS took action immediately to delete yr acct without explanation.

I tried deleting my SS and IS acct with 200+ images few weeks ago, and the images are still there.

I agree that earnings from there are quite good...........
Based on my 6 months journey with microstock listed here, the only sites that is worth uploading is Canstock, 123rf, Veer , yaymicro and GL, drawshop, toonvectors. This is based on illustrator point of view, not photographer.

Many ppl complain 123rf and Canstock is cheap, but for foreign contributors that are not based in US like me, they do not have W8ben form tax withholding rule and other silly foreign tax policies. Even though SS paid 35cent per dl, but after witholding tax, it is actually less than 20cent per dl, which is cheaper than 123rf.

IS is good, but they have 18 files upload limit per week. Unless yr files sold like hot cakes daily,  it is impossible to survive for a freelancer starting out like me.



See, it is obvious that you are a good for nothing whistle blower who like to spend time looking for nonsense proof to make other fall.

I would'nt call them thief to steal pic to trace, i would call them Designers who took good inspiration source and ReCREATE them in a different expression and style.
Almost 100% of  the contributors' portfolio here are Recreation and mimic of each other ideas.

Which contributors here dare to say that his works are purely 100% original here???

People like you, microbius who have nothing to do but spy on others deserve to be shot and gun down. How many good contributors have you sabotaged just becos 1 or 2 similar pics. You only judged their fault and not the hardworks they took.

Without Recreation, there is no improvement.

Microbius

« Reply #129 on: January 11, 2013, 10:23 »
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? I only looked through your previous posts to return the favor after you looked at my posting history.
By the way, less then 10% of my posts are in the "image sleuth" section
 

Microbius

« Reply #130 on: January 11, 2013, 10:27 »
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Oh, and most contributors' portfolios feature no tracing from outside sources.
IStock in fact insists on the inclusion of all source files.

There's a lot of talented honest contributors on the micros, it takes many years to reach the standard expected today. I know it's frustrating of you are starting out, but it's no excuse to steal.

Yes a lot of concepts are re-circulated, that is very different from direct copying or tracing or resubmitting work as your own.

Microbius

« Reply #131 on: January 11, 2013, 10:30 »
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....How many good contributors have you sabotaged just becos 1 or 2 similar pics....

None, no one has ever had a portfolio closed without there being blatant stolen work re uploaded or direct copyright violation. Even then sometimes people get individual takedowns and warnings.


Can you point to any examples?

Poncke

« Reply #132 on: January 11, 2013, 10:32 »
+4
Thankfully your bizarre spelling has made your portfolio very easy for me to find through your post on a stock site forum.
I wont bother searching it for infringements I have better things to do


Stop trying to be noble and pretentious.

The way I see it, is your incapabilities to produce better artwork than others and poor designing/ drawing skill that made you jealous of others success. So to made yourself feel better, you try to sabotage others port.

The basics of adobe illustrator is tracing, and to hone the art of tracing to perfection takes time and years. I do trace, but i trace the artwork i draw on paper.

The animals that the fellow trace maybe copies, but he does alot of touchup and finishing in his works and made the final design a good piece of works.
This guy obviously have skills and talents and just because of a few pieces of works, you are gonna sabotage his years of work. This is really really bad and terrible thing to do.

Look at Shepard Fairey from the Obey. That guy obviously traced and sell his works but still regarded as a good artist.
Another example is Cristiano Siqueira from www.crisvector.com. One cafepress imitates Shepard Fairey style and come up with obey the breed. His works are also traced but they are accepted at cafepress to be sold.

For yr info, i dont any port in any microstock agencies listed here. I am only available at gettyimages and corbis.
Initially, i am only selling at istock and shutterstock but i have stopped. Becos I realised everybody there is selling themselves short and only making the agencies earn more $$$.

Pls post yr portfolio here if u have nothing to hide. Are u afraid that I can easily spot a few design of yours to be similar to others?

It is obvious that you are not going to post yr port here, becos you are afraid of the outcome.
You are only fit to accused others if you are 100% clean yourself which i doubt so.
Yo, whats up with the completely unfounded accusations? Where is this attack coming from? I havent noticed that Microbius did anything to you to deserve that kind of abuse.

DavidBaker

    This user is banned.
« Reply #133 on: January 11, 2013, 10:34 »
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? I only looked through your previous posts to return the favor after you looked at my posting history.
By the way, less then 10% of my posts are in the "image sleuth" section

I do not have anything against you. I just dun see to eye for your sin in reporting good contributors with 1 or 2 minor fault. What you are committing is a very bad karma, and i believe one of these days you will feel the same as the victims you reported.  It is right to report contributors who copies exactly and have many unrightful pics from others, but not good contributors who recreate them in new expression and style.

And dun forget, the last ones who get the last laugh is the agencies themeselves, not contributors like us.

Poncke

« Reply #134 on: January 11, 2013, 10:35 »
+10
...

People like you, microbius who have nothing to do but spy on others deserve to be shot and gun down . ...

That right there is enough for a permanent ban if you ask me. Thats just sick.

Microbius

« Reply #135 on: January 11, 2013, 10:36 »
+2
Yo, whats up with the completely unfounded accusations? Where is this attack coming from? I havent noticed that Microbius did anything to you to deserve that kind of abuse.

Thanks for the support, means a lot.

He seems to upset about an incident I had nothing to do with (tracing some hair maybe from previous posts) and is just taking out on me.

I can take the abuse, but the physical threats are getting a  it out of hand now....

Poncke

« Reply #136 on: January 11, 2013, 10:37 »
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Yo, whats up with the completely unfounded accusations? Where is this attack coming from? I havent noticed that Microbius did anything to you to deserve that kind of abuse.

Thanks for the support, means a lot.

He seems to upset about an incident I had nothing to do with (tracing some hair maybe from previous posts) and is just taking out on me.

I can take the abuse, but the physical threats are getting a  it out of hand now....
You are welcome. Its a ridiculous attack. Scary really.

« Reply #137 on: January 11, 2013, 10:37 »
+6

Stop trying to be noble and pretentious.

The way I see it, is your incapabilities to produce better artwork than others and poor designing/ drawing skill that made you jealous of others success. So to made yourself feel better, you try to sabotage others port.

The basics of adobe illustrator is tracing, and to hone the art of tracing to perfection takes time and years. I do trace, but i trace the artwork i draw on paper.

The animals that the fellow trace maybe copies, but he does alot of touchup and finishing in his works and made the final design a good piece of works.
This guy obviously have skills and talents and just because of a few pieces of works, you are gonna sabotage his years of work. This is really really bad and terrible thing to do.

Look at Shepard Fairey from the Obey. That guy obviously traced and sell his works but still regarded as a good artist.
Another example is Cristiano Siqueira from www.crisvector.com. One cafepress imitates Shepard Fairey style and come up with obey the breed. His works are also traced but they are accepted at cafepress to be sold.

For yr info, i dont any port in any microstock agencies listed here. I am only available at gettyimages and corbis.
Initially, i am only selling at istock and shutterstock but i have stopped. Becos I realised everybody there is selling themselves short and only making the agencies earn more $$$.

Pls post yr portfolio here if u have nothing to hide. Are u afraid that I can easily spot a few design of yours to be similar to others?

It is obvious that you are not going to post yr port here, becos you are afraid of the outcome.
You are only fit to accused others if you are 100% clean yourself which i doubt so.


Hmmmm, methinks he doth protest too much.....

This really feels as if you are trying to muddy the waters somewhat.

The issue is black or white - not grey. You cannot copy work if you do not have the right to do so - it is against the submitter agreement on all stock sites. There are many 'similars' on stock sites but that is a different matter - inspiration, (unless it is considered abusive), is not the same as theft. I can put up a cartoon of seven garden gnomes but, if I want to make them look like Disney characters and name them after the seven dwarfs, I will find myself in a lot of trouble - even if I have done a brilliant and skilful job of it.

It doesn't matter how good a job you do, how difficult it is or whether you should be allowed to do so or not. It is wrong - FULLSTOP. If you get caught you will get banned.

I for one would like to thank Microbius and others who take the time to report their findings and help to protect the interests of the honest contributors.

You appear to be implying that Whistle Blowers are  a breed of jealous, small-minded contributors who have nothing better to do than to trawl the internet trying to catch people out? I prefer to think of then as generous with their time in their efforts to look out for our collective interest. I am sure that their motivation comes from a strong sense of right and wrong and a desire to seek justice for the underdog.

It IS noble and it is not pretentious to behave in such a manner.

Microbius

« Reply #138 on: January 11, 2013, 10:39 »
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I do not have anything against you. I just dun see to eye for your sin in reporting good contributors with 1 or 2 minor fault. What you are committing is a very bad karma, and i believe one of these days you will feel the same as the victims you reported.  It is right to report contributors who copies exactly and have many unrightful pics from others, but not good contributors who recreate them in new expression and style.

And dun forget, the last ones who get the last laugh is the agencies themeselves, not contributors like us.

I am not going to respond or read your posts anymore as you can't conduct a conversation in a civilized manner. You started out by threatening false allegations and have now moved on to physical threats. I am finished with the conversation.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2013, 10:43 by Microbius »

« Reply #139 on: January 11, 2013, 10:39 »
+4
? I only looked through your previous posts to return the favor after you looked at my posting history.
By the way, less then 10% of my posts are in the "image sleuth" section

I do not have anything against you. I just dun see to eye for your sin in reporting good contributors with 1 or 2 minor fault. What you are committing is a very bad karma, and i believe one of these days you will feel the same as the victims you reported.  It is right to report contributors who copies exactly and have many unrightful pics from others, but not good contributors who recreate them in new expression and style.

And dun forget, the last ones who get the last laugh is the agencies themeselves, not contributors like us.
Anybody that doesn't outright steal has nothing at all to worry about.  Tracing other people's work is stealing and should be reported by anybody who sees it.  It affects us all if it is allowed to go unpunished and Microbius has done nothing to warrant your attacks on him!!!!

DavidBaker

    This user is banned.
« Reply #140 on: January 11, 2013, 10:43 »
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I do not have anything against you. I just dun see to eye for your sin in reporting good contributors with 1 or 2 minor fault. What you are committing is a very bad karma, and i believe one of these days you will feel the same as the victims you reported.  It is right to report contributors who copies exactly and have many unrightful pics from others, but not good contributors who recreate them in new expression and style.

And dun forget, the last ones who get the last laugh is the agencies themeselves, not contributors like us.

I am not going to respond or read your posts anymore as you can't conduct a conversation in a civilized manor. You started out by threatening false allegations and have now moved on to physical threats. I am finished with the conversation.

Your career in stock business will be finished soon as well in the near future.

« Reply #141 on: January 11, 2013, 10:45 »
+3
I do not have anything against you. I just dun see to eye for your sin in reporting good contributors with 1 or 2 minor fault. What you are committing is a very bad karma, and i believe one of these days you will feel the same as the victims you reported.  It is right to report contributors who copies exactly and have many unrightful pics from others, but not good contributors who recreate them in new expression and style.

And dun forget, the last ones who get the last laugh is the agencies themeselves, not contributors like us.

I am not going to respond or read your posts anymore as you can't conduct a conversation in a civilized manor. You started out by threatening false allegations and have now moved on to physical threats. I am finished with the conversation.

Your career in stock business will be finished soon as well in the near future.
Oh grow up.  You are acting like a 12 year old!!!!!

« Reply #142 on: January 11, 2013, 10:45 »
+6
Also if you don't contribute to micro what was this post about?
http://www.microstockgroup.com/illustration-general/shutterstock-terminated-my-account/msg287498/#msg287498
It is funny how SS took action immediately to delete yr acct without explanation.

I tried deleting my SS and IS acct with 200+ images few weeks ago, and the images are still there.

I agree that earnings from there are quite good...........
Based on my 6 months journey with microstock listed here, the only sites that is worth uploading is Canstock, 123rf, Veer , yaymicro and GL, drawshop, toonvectors. This is based on illustrator point of view, not photographer.

Many ppl complain 123rf and Canstock is cheap, but for foreign contributors that are not based in US like me, they do not have W8ben form tax withholding rule and other silly foreign tax policies. Even though SS paid 35cent per dl, but after witholding tax, it is actually less than 20cent per dl, which is cheaper than 123rf.

IS is good, but they have 18 files upload limit per week. Unless yr files sold like hot cakes daily,  it is impossible to survive for a freelancer starting out like me.



See, it is obvious that you are a good for nothing whistle blower who like to spend time looking for nonsense proof to make other fall.

I would'nt call them thief to steal pic to trace, i would call them Designers who took good inspiration source and ReCREATE them in a different expression and style.
Almost 100% of  the contributors' portfolio here are Recreation and mimic of each other ideas.

Which contributors here dare to say that his works are purely 100% original here???

People like you, microbius who have nothing to do but spy on others deserve to be shot and gun down. How many good contributors have you sabotaged just becos 1 or 2 similar pics. You only judged their fault and not the hardworks they took.

Without Recreation, there is no improvement.


OMG - I don't believe this guy.

Nonsense proof? Sabotage? Shot?

What planet are you living on??

I guess your opinions, and now your physical threats, will get you banned from here but I doubt you will be missed.

Bye-bye!

Poncke

« Reply #143 on: January 11, 2013, 10:56 »
+3
I do not have anything against you. I just dun see to eye for your sin in reporting good contributors with 1 or 2 minor fault. What you are committing is a very bad karma, and i believe one of these days you will feel the same as the victims you reported.  It is right to report contributors who copies exactly and have many unrightful pics from others, but not good contributors who recreate them in new expression and style.

And dun forget, the last ones who get the last laugh is the agencies themeselves, not contributors like us.


I am not going to respond or read your posts anymore as you can't conduct a conversation in a civilized manner. You started out by threatening false allegations and have now moved on to physical threats. I am finished with the conversation.

Best decision. Ignore the troll.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2013, 11:13 by Poncke »

DavidBaker

    This user is banned.
« Reply #144 on: January 11, 2013, 11:03 »
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I do not have anything against you. I just dun see to eye for your sin in reporting good contributors with 1 or 2 minor fault. What you are committing is a very bad karma, and i believe one of these days you will feel the same as the victims you reported.  It is right to report contributors who copies exactly and have many unrightful pics from others, but not good contributors who recreate them in new expression and style.

And dun forget, the last ones who get the last laugh is the agencies themeselves, not contributors like us.
Best decision. Ignore the troll.

I am not going to respond or read your posts anymore as you can't conduct a conversation in a civilized manner. You started out by threatening false allegations and have now moved on to physical threats. I am finished with the conversation.

A bunch of losers with pathetic designing skillsets who sell themselves short for meagre cents supporting each other. You guys have no dignity. I am done with the conversation and i wished u bunch of losers good luck in the downhill microstock.

« Reply #145 on: January 11, 2013, 11:07 »
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I do not have anything against you. I just dun see to eye for your sin in reporting good contributors with 1 or 2 minor fault. What you are committing is a very bad karma, and i believe one of these days you will feel the same as the victims you reported.  It is right to report contributors who copies exactly and have many unrightful pics from others, but not good contributors who recreate them in new expression and style.

And dun forget, the last ones who get the last laugh is the agencies themeselves, not contributors like us.
Best decision. Ignore the troll.

I am not going to respond or read your posts anymore as you can't conduct a conversation in a civilized manner. You started out by threatening false allegations and have now moved on to physical threats. I am finished with the conversation.

A bunch of losers with pathetic designing skillsets who sell themselves short for meagre cents supporting each other. You guys have no dignity. I am done with the conversation and i wished u bunch of losers good luck in the downhill microstock.

Please stop feeding the troll. He's just poking you to get a rise. I think this whole part of the thread should be moved to a "Satire" section.

« Reply #146 on: January 11, 2013, 12:00 »
+7
... and he's banned.
I'll remove some of the posts in an hour or so when I have a little more time.

« Reply #147 on: January 11, 2013, 12:21 »
+1
Let's all join in the chorus, a one ana two ana:

ding dong the wicked witch is dead..

« Reply #148 on: January 11, 2013, 12:24 »
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Shouldn't his name be unclickable if he's banned?

« Reply #149 on: January 11, 2013, 12:26 »
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Shouldn't his name be unclickable if he's banned?

No. It's only unclickable (and greyed out) if the account is closed. He'll have the opportunity to come back once his ban is lifted.


 

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