Author Topic: book cover but no EL (Read 7435 times)

luissantos84 · « **on:** June 14, 2012, 12:53 »

just found a picture of mine in a book and I never had an EL sale on it, what shall I do? DMCA letter? or other?

http://www.amazon.com/Anorexia-Nervosa-Dimensional-Psycho-Education-Mindfulness/dp/3848400383

fotografer · « **Reply #1 on:** June 14, 2012, 12:59 »

It doesn't necessarily need one. It depends on how many prints of the book that they do.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 14, 2012, 13:01 »

Quote from: fotografer on June 14, 2012, 12:59

It doesn't necessarily need one. It depends on how many prints of the book that they do.

yep I know but how can we know that?

Wim · « **Reply #3 on:** June 14, 2012, 13:01 »

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ShadySue · « **Reply #4 on:** June 14, 2012, 13:08 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on June 14, 2012, 13:01

Quote from: fotografer on June 14, 2012, 12:59
It doesn't necessarily need one. It depends on how many prints of the book that they do.

yep I know but how can we know that?

Depending on the rules of the agency it was bought from, but e.g. at iStock it's a ridiculous half million, and very few books have that print run. However, it might make the best-seller list.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 14, 2012, 13:11 »

Quote from: ShadySue on June 14, 2012, 13:08

Quote from: luissantos84 on June 14, 2012, 13:01
Quote from: fotografer on June 14, 2012, 12:59
It doesn't necessarily need one. It depends on how many prints of the book that they do.

yep I know but how can we know that?
Depending on the rules of the agency it was bought from, but e.g. at iStock it's a ridiculous half million, and very few books have that print run. However, it might make the best-seller list.

right, its almost impossible to know which agency sold that file unless I contact the book publisher and wait for their reply, just crazy I guess lol

loop · « **Reply #6 on:** June 14, 2012, 13:28 »

It doesn't look like the kind of book that could sell 500.000 copies.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 14, 2012, 13:46 »

Quote from: loop on June 14, 2012, 13:28

It doesn't look like the kind of book that could sell 500.000 copies.

ahah I agree

sc · « **Reply #8 on:** June 14, 2012, 15:05 »

Lambert Academic Publishing is a Print on Demand publisher for research projects, dissertations, diploma theses, master theses and doctoral theses - Looking at their titles I doubt the number of printed copies ever amount to anything close to needing an EL.

klsbear · « **Reply #9 on:** June 14, 2012, 18:19 »

I recently asked a friend in the publishing industry if there was a way to find out the size of a print run and this was the response I got.

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Publishers inflate the stated print run of a book to make it appear "hotter" than it actually may be. The publisher and their printer are the only two entities that would know and they do not give this number out. The subject of royalties even to the author based on print and sell through is very messy and murky. I can say that a print run of 250,000 plus would be a "big" book and would most certainly land on a bestseller list somewhere, USA Today, Amazon, NYT, etc...

Most print runs are 5,000 - 20,000 of a book until it takes off and then pubs order in increments of 5 - 10,000 as demand warrants.

Based on that response I'd guess that a significant number of the books on the shelves don't get close to needing an EL.

ShadySue · « **Reply #10 on:** June 14, 2012, 18:39 »

Oh, I've just realised that there might be an agency/agencies which require and EL for a book cover, as it's a significant point of sale attraction. I have no idea is this is the case anywhere. And then you'd have the problem of knowing which agency it sold from, if indie.
I don't think agencies would take kindly to contacting publishers to ask where they'd bought it.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 14, 2012, 18:41 »

I believe that agencies aren´t sleeping but yes it would be hard to control an EL if we are independent

thanks guys for all answers!

Microbius · « **Reply #12 on:** June 16, 2012, 02:32 »

The book cover EL issue comes up a lot, but a book cover will almost never require an EL

drugal · « **Reply #13 on:** June 16, 2012, 03:41 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on June 14, 2012, 12:53

just found a picture of mine in a book and I never had an EL sale on it, what shall I do? DMCA letter? or other?

http://www.amazon.com/Anorexia-Nervosa-Dimensional-Psycho-Education-Mindfulness/dp/3848400383

Have lunch. RF licence is practically unlimited so you getting an EL is solely out fo the good will of the buyer.

click_click · « **Reply #14 on:** June 16, 2012, 09:51 »

Quote from: drugal on June 16, 2012, 03:41

Have lunch. RF licence is practically unlimited so you getting an EL is solely out fo the good will of the buyer.

That's how I feel these days.

gillian vann · « **Reply #15 on:** June 17, 2012, 04:58 »

Quote from: Wim on June 14, 2012, 13:01

Request a free copy

so it seems this advice is the best; pity about the topic as it may have made a good xmas re-gift. (still, you never know..... gift it to a school or your local public library)

RacePhoto · « **Reply #16 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:23 »

Quote from: drugal on June 16, 2012, 03:41

Quote from: luissantos84 on June 14, 2012, 12:53
just found a picture of mine in a book and I never had an EL sale on it, what shall I do? DMCA letter? or other?

http://www.amazon.com/Anorexia-Nervosa-Dimensional-Psycho-Education-Mindfulness/dp/3848400383

Have lunch. RF licence is practically unlimited so you getting an EL is solely out fo the good will of the buyer.

AKA Welcome to Microstock where licenses are weak and payments low. (Only worse is when people steal your images and you get nothing at all!)

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