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Microstock Photography Forum - General => Image Sleuth => Topic started by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 19:16

Title: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 19:16
Well, time to retire.

No more money in it. Thanks for the easy pickins...

Ask me anything
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 19:20
Most of the time I sell in SEO forums for the Blackhat crowd
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 19:20
And I sell collections on Ebay etc...

Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: Brasilnut on December 21, 2017, 19:22
How come you can't you afford to pay $1 for an image?
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 19:25
I am being serious here...

I sometime pay for a really good image and crop it or combine it with another top selling image. Defeating the AI was the biggest challenge.... not the dopey reviewers.

Just reversing orientation of the image many times works.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 19:28
Or take the center of the subject matter.... person etc...

Crop it and add another background with some blur.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 19:31
Other tricks include using a 3d program

Apply the image as a texture to a plane then add something like Ambient occlusion.

Most viewers can not see the difference but it will get by the AI.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 19:33
Of course.... hitting up local print shops and gypo art shops works too
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 19:35
It's a digital medium... just like movies that can be pirated.

Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: Brasilnut on December 21, 2017, 19:37
We forgive you.

Now say 10 Hail Marys and donate $200 for your sins into my paypal account. All will be well.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 19:42
For a while I giving a free USB stick to local companies.

I set up a website and charged for subscriptions

Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 19:45
Video is more work

Cropping HD or zooming slightly with your clips can work.

Or just adding various filters can work.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on December 21, 2017, 19:45
Somebody wants attention.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 19:48
Somebody wants attention.

I've moved on...

MS has dried up. Over saturated. Lots of good work...being sold for pennies.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 19:53
Just do a Piratebay search and you'll get an idea.....

https://thepiratebay.org/search/shutterstock/0/99/0
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: Hannafate on December 21, 2017, 20:03
I'm not falling for it.  I know you're wearing your asbestos underwear, so I refuse to breathe flames at you.

Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 20:21
Falling for it....

You already have.

You guys post on Facebook, or put your profile out there...

Sooner or later there will be a unlocked door.

And granted most of your work sucks, but there's still a few gems to pick up.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 20:35
and selling on places like photoshelter and other hosting platforms is good

Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: Brasilnut on December 21, 2017, 21:06
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You guys post on Facebook, or put your profile out there...

That's a good point.

I reduce size/resolution for all images I post on social media. Others put watermarks.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 21:11
Takes money to make money.

I'll pay for good work. Alter what I have too and sell it in a collection.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: StockThief on December 21, 2017, 21:20
Another trick was block Google photo indexing on my site.

I would employ a click bank and drive up 1000's of view and submit the url to an indexing service. But not with any ads running. Then start google analytics and alexa indexing.

Sell the site off with a 100k fake views under the pretext it's my own work.

Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: JimP on December 21, 2017, 21:52
Somebody wants attention.

This is why we needs the minus back. Mark the name and subject a failed troll, too obvious. You would think a good troll would be at least tricky and pretend to be an idiot instead of just jumping out with a clown suit and some whipped cream, admitting that from the start. Gone, dead, failed, no one cares.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: noodle on December 22, 2017, 06:08
Just another petty shoplifter that thinks they’ve pulled off the hiest of the century
LOL
Maybe get a book deal with a major publisher or better yet a movie deal
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: 50% on December 22, 2017, 07:47
It is interesting but I really don't understand it, are there tutorials? Not that I'm going to do it, beside ethical reasons my problem is not creating new work it is wading through it and bring it online. How do you handle model releases do you just fake them?
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: ShadySue on December 22, 2017, 08:00
It is interesting but I really don't understand it, are there tutorials? Not that I'm going to do it, beside ethical reasons my problem is not creating new work it is wading through it and bring it online. How do you handle model releases do you just fake them?
Don't feed the troll!
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: PaulieWalnuts on December 22, 2017, 08:28
Haaahaha, classic. We've reached a new milestone. Now even the thieves are saying there's no money in microstock.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: Chichikov on December 22, 2017, 08:38
Somebody wants attention.

Already two pages of thread.
Unfortunately I think that he got it…

___
Well, 75% of the posts are from the thread author ;)
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: Noedelhap on December 22, 2017, 09:08
Well, time to retire.

No more money in it. Thanks for the easy pickins...

Ask me anything

All I ask is that you keep doing what you're doing. After all, it's Christmas, a time for sharing. I think I speak for all of us when I say: it's not the money that makes me happy, it's the fuzzy feeling I get when I know others are enjoying my work as well!
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: Hannafate on December 22, 2017, 09:18
Well, he was amusing while he lasted. 

He (or she) posted useful information about weaknesses in image security, nothing really new, though.

And, 50%, forging model releases, property releases, or other image documentation is absurdly easy.  It always amused me when Shutterstock asked for image references for my illustrations.  All the reference image would prove is that I have some minor skills with editing programs, which I had already shown by submitting the eps and matching jpg file properly.

Forged releases would probably not stand up under scrutiny, but as Mark Hofmann pointed out, if you do it right, your work never gets examined.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: Hannafate on December 22, 2017, 09:32
I thought I should add this.

I started to make the previous post using the word "fake", but corrected it to "forgery", which is the correct term.

It occurred to me that some submitters might have made the error of thinking that fudging on documentation was no big deal.  A model release gets rejected because the dates don't all match, and it's tempting to just paste in a new date.  After all, it was supposed to be that way. That is actually forgery.  It's a forgery that probably will never be challenged and examined, but it is.

Making up a model release for some street person you are sure won't ever see their picture in use, so you can sell the picture, is a felony.

Committing a felony just to get a couple more images into your portfolio is not a practical decision.

Just so you know, when I was remarking about how simple the act is, I wasn't condoning it.  Just pointing out that thieves probably also commit forgery with the same smugness. 
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: jonbull on December 22, 2017, 10:46
Somebody wants attention.

I've moved on...

MS has dried up. Over saturated. Lots of good work...being sold for pennies.

the only thing i agree. this december is appalling despite hard work. next year will be even worse, with thousand of contributor from ukraine russia enjoying the business paying penny for producing images.
if micro stock don't change and put a limit of upload or stop accepting contributor te only way to make money is yours.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: jonbull on December 22, 2017, 10:47
Haaahaha, classic. We've reached a new milestone. Now even the thieves are even saying there's no money in microstock.

ahahah
even if you give the image free you won't manage to sell a lot:)...
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: PaulieWalnuts on December 22, 2017, 11:03
Somebody wants attention.

I've moved on...

MS has dried up. Over saturated. Lots of good work...being sold for pennies.

the only thing i agree. this december is appalling despite hard work. next year will be even worse, with thousand of contributor from ukraine russia enjoying the business paying penny for producing images.
if micro stock don't change and put a limit of upload or stop accepting contributor te only way to make money is yours.

There are still tons of new contributors joining to submit a bazillion images. So for the agencies this means they can continue to come up with new schemes that increase their profits and reduce contributor commissions and everything is wonderful. For them anyway. For the contributors living in places with lower cost of living who are still doing well it's only a matter of time before the drops hit them too.
Title: Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
Post by: Mantis on December 22, 2017, 12:04
Somebody wants attention.

I've moved on...

MS has dried up. Over saturated. Lots of good work...being sold for pennies.

the only thing i agree. this december is appalling despite hard work. next year will be even worse, with thousand of contributor from ukraine russia enjoying the business paying penny for producing images.
if micro stock don't change and put a limit of upload or stop accepting contributor te only way to make money is yours.

There are still tons of new contributors joining to submit a bazillion images. So for the agencies this means they can continue to come up with new schemes that increase their profits and reduce contributor commissions and everything is wonderful. For them anyway. For the contributors living in places with lower cost of living who are still doing well it's only a matter of time before the drops hit them too.

Absolutely. I have been saying this for some time.  Agencies will always have plenty of content even in the face of protests because of those new contributors. Thus the plans agencies come up with will most assuredly keep chipping away at royalties.