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« on: April 02, 2019, 03:00 »
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As everyone here probably knows there's a thriving industry on Etsy of people selling our vectors (as well as violating copyright of big studios and the like).

Just a search for "vector" or "SVG" on the site and some keyword of your best sellers and they are probably there.

What I didn't know until recently was Etsy's policy Re. DMCA notices, which explains how some shops have been getting away with it for years and on hundreds of listings.

They will accept any DMCA counter notice as long as it is filled in with an existing address and phone number and allow the seller to relist. Even if the seller has just used an address of an unrelated business, and you point that out to Etsy.  As far as I can work out that even takes the strike off the account so they are "clean" and do this as many times as they like (this seems to be the case as there are sellers that have done this many times over).

So as far as I can work out the only sellers getting shut down, or even having items removed, are honest sellers who made an actual mistake. The big time crooks making many thousands of dollars know how to play the system and keep on going. I finally understood how there are two or three shops on there with thousands of stolen vectors and no repercussions.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2019, 03:13 by Justanotherphotographer »


« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2019, 14:41 »
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I hate sending just cash to a kid's birthday party so for a last minute party  a couple weeks ago I bought a quick svg on Etsy to cut t-shirt vinyl and include a heat pressed t-shirt. 

I'm certainly not an expert with iDesignR software for my Roland cutter.  The edges around the svg looked a bit jagged, but I decided it would look smooth enough for a t-shirt.  I sent the image to print, and surprize, a huge letter C cuts out across it - which I couldn't see because it was white against the white background (discovered by adding a shadow).  I assumed it was fragments left from removing a copyright symbol. 

I contacted Etsy but they told me I had to take it up with Paypal and that they basically have nothing to do with it.  And the file is still for sale.

Up until this point I have purchased dozens of items off Etsy.  Some shipped raw goods, but almost exclusively sewing patterns by indie designers for dance and athletic wear.  This experience and Etsy's lack of responsibility have really upset me.  Most pattern designers use multiple outlets, but liked Etsy because it charged less fees to them than Craftsy (which is now Blueprint and I don't know their fees).  I guarantee you - I will make sure I don't have to purchase anything on that platform unless I can't find it elsewhere or validate they are legit.  (Most of these designers have a large social footprint and active in same groups I am). 

The sad thing is, the purchase in question was for around $3.  I know I'm just one person and I don't matter one bit to Etsy, I certainly won't recommend them again.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2019, 10:14 »
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As everyone here probably knows there's a thriving industry on Etsy of people selling our vectors (as well as violating copyright of big studios and the like).

Just a search for "vector" or "SVG" on the site and some keyword of your best sellers and they are probably there.

What I didn't know until recently was Etsy's policy Re. DMCA notices, which explains how some shops have been getting away with it for years and on hundreds of listings.

They will accept any DMCA counter notice as long as it is filled in with an existing address and phone number and allow the seller to relist. Even if the seller has just used an address of an unrelated business, and you point that out to Etsy.  As far as I can work out that even takes the strike off the account so they are "clean" and do this as many times as they like (this seems to be the case as there are sellers that have done this many times over).

So as far as I can work out the only sellers getting shut down, or even having items removed, are honest sellers who made an actual mistake. The big time crooks making many thousands of dollars know how to play the system and keep on going. I finally understood how there are two or three shops on there with thousands of stolen vectors and no repercussions.

Class Action Lawsuit?

Eventually some lawyer will see this and some of the others that use the "we didn't know" defense or don't actually try, and then find a bunch of vector artists who have been running into the same cycle as you. Then maybe places like Etsy or FAA or Redbubble and Zazzle will start to care and close down the thieves?

« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2019, 00:00 »
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Went and had a look on etsy and within seconds found one of mine being sold as an embroidery design. Looks good too dammit. I'm so sick of this.

« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2019, 02:25 »
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https://www.etsy.com/shop/RutaFoziSVG

See if your work is in this shop. This lady is a big time infringer.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2019, 09:48 »
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https://www.etsy.com/shop/RutaFoziSVG

See if your work is in this shop. This lady is a big time infringer.

Lucky me I don't make Vectors for her to steal. But please help someone who doesn't understand the art side. How does she copy others vectors to easily? Is this a matter of download a sample, make a SVG and upload or how is it so easy for people to do this?

« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2019, 15:33 »
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https://www.etsy.com/shop/RutaFoziSVG

See if your work is in this shop. This lady is a big time infringer.

Lucky me I don't make Vectors for her to steal. But please help someone who doesn't understand the art side. How does she copy others vectors to easily? Is this a matter of download a sample, make a SVG and upload or how is it so easy for people to do this?

There are numerous pirate sites they can download it from. I'm not going to link to them, but they're almost impossible to squash. The files are usually in EPS format, but it's a simple "Save As..." in illustrator if they want to to convert it to a SVG.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2019, 17:01 »
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https://www.etsy.com/shop/RutaFoziSVG

See if your work is in this shop. This lady is a big time infringer.

Lucky me I don't make Vectors for her to steal. But please help someone who doesn't understand the art side. How does she copy others vectors to easily? Is this a matter of download a sample, make a SVG and upload or how is it so easy for people to do this?

There are numerous pirate sites they can download it from. I'm not going to link to them, but they're almost impossible to squash. The files are usually in EPS format, but it's a simple "Save As..." in illustrator if they want to to convert it to a SVG.

Thanks, got it. I thought they were actually doing some work somehow. So these people are even worse losers than I suspected. Yes I know the free sites, I've seen mine on many. My least favorite of all time was one that searched for images on websites, like my personal site, then linked to the image, so in effect I was hosting the images for their users to steal from me.

What made it enjoyable was going and editing my site code, changing the name of the real photo and replacing their spider linked image with one that said in large red letters, "This site steals images and bandwidth" I haven't looked in years, but it was up for 2 or 3. I hope their user enjoyed the education.

« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2019, 19:47 »
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Another Etsy thief:

COZYAIT
https://www.etsy.com/nz/shop/CozyAit?ref=condensed_trust_header_title_items

Had one of my designs (now taken down after DMCA) but I can see other SS contribs work on her site. I dont know why these sites let these thieves continue to have their portfolios up when they have been proved to be breaching copyrights.

« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2019, 14:12 »
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Lots of Etsy shops selling the same digital downloads of photography, most of it illegal.  Here's one of the worst offenders:
https://etsy.me/2uY2JzN


« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2019, 21:06 »
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I found a few today and had them removed. Etsy was fast to react, but do they penalize the seller?

I just found a bunch more and it's really pissing me off. I could spend all day fighting these thieving a-holes.

Etsy needs to step up and ban these jerks.

« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2019, 22:34 »
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I've been busy reporting images tonight. Oh, and now after messaging a couple sellers directly I'm now blocked from using messages on Etsy.


« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2019, 02:48 »
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Also lots of sellers sellings prints of stock images, obviously without extended licences.
This one  newbielink:https://www.etsy.com/shop/CanvasGeeks [nonactive] has 3000 images and I found 3 of mine.

Their shop will be closed after 3 claims I think, so don't hesitate to report them.

« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2019, 03:05 »
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I've been busy reporting images tonight. Oh, and now after messaging a couple sellers directly I'm now blocked from using messages on Etsy.
That really takes the p*ss as one of their stock replies is "sort it out with the seller, we can't take sides".
Which in itself is farcical as they are already one of the "sides" as they take a cut from selling the blatantly stolen goods on their site.

...also please let us know if you get a counter notice for any of the batch. It really seems like a lot of the thieves have cottoned on to the little "trick" of sending a counter notice to avoid a strike on their account or even having to remove the work. Of course there's no practical way as copyright holders to pursue them. We really are completely reliant on Etsy caring at all about this stuff.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2019, 03:09 by Justanotherphotographer »


 

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