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antistock

« on: May 17, 2012, 11:40 »
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Pinterest valued at $1.5 BILLION, bags $100m in funding
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/17/pinterest_raises_100m/


now W-T-F !!
This gang of leechers, well known and proud pirates and copyright infringers ...

so now it's official ... investors don't give a F_uck_ing sh-it about copyright and stolen photos, they're all laughing all the way to the bank and who cares if MILLIONS of stolen pictures are already available and stored in Pinterest servers ?

this is the typical "F_uc_k and forget" silicon valley approach ...throwing the sh-it at the wall and see what sticks ... no matter how .. and no matter if content is stolen or original ... that's stuff for the lawyers eventually or the gullible ones buying their stock later or the new inventors joining their ponzi schemes ...

i'm really tempted to launch a piratebay-style web site where not only you can download torrent links but paying an annual fee you can download your whole zipped pirated files ... photoshop .. lightroom .. autocad .. whatever ...  and who cares after all as no one is going in jail and the Pirate parties are now even represented in the german and swedish parlament ???

NEVER as in 2012 creatives and photographers have been scr-ewed so bad, fact !
we might as well soon get another job, or apply at Pinterest, Flickr, Facebook, Google ... as once the photo business will be finally killed they will be the only ones left dealing with images and who knows they could even start selling online our stolen images claiming they're "orphan works".
« Last Edit: May 17, 2012, 11:50 by antistock »


Ed

« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 11:49 »
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...and I noticed today there is at least one micro that has a button allowing you to pin images from the site directly onto Pinterest.

 :-\

« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2012, 11:57 »
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...and I noticed today there is at least one micro that has a button allowing you to pin images from the site directly onto Pinterest.

 :-\

Which site?

« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2012, 12:03 »
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DT

antistock

« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2012, 12:08 »
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...and I noticed today there is at least one micro that has a button allowing you to pin images from the site directly onto Pinterest.

 :-\

unsurprisingly.
agencies don't give a sh-it about us, we're 100% expendible and replaceable, in their eyes one photographers is worth the other.
pinning, linking, and even outright piracy is all free advertising for them as long as the image has a watermark with the agency name.

traveler1116

« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2012, 12:15 »
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DT
I would have guessed that.  They give away over 100,000 images for free and have that scheme to buy image rights for $25.

« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2012, 13:21 »
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DT
...and Photodune, and Stockfresh.

CarlssonInc

« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2012, 13:38 »
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Bogus valuation with the aim of striking gold by getting snapped up by Facebook...

« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2012, 13:44 »
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DT
...and Photodune, and Stockfresh.

Unbelievable.  Well, I mean it's believable, but what jerks.

helix7

« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2012, 13:56 »
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Good news. Congrats, Pinterest.

« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2012, 14:02 »
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Good news. Congrats, Pinterest.
Are you on their payroll?

helix7

« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2012, 14:10 »
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Nope, just like the site and don't see all the doom and gloom about pinterest that others here do.

« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2012, 14:54 »
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Good news. Congrats, Pinterest.
Are you on their payroll?
+1

« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2012, 15:09 »
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I found several images of mine on Pinterest. Usually I don't bother, but in this case, in view of the popularity of the site, I thought it might be an opportunity to "help" people realize that images just can't be used freely anytime anywhere. 

I am sure every one of us can find a few of their images there.  I found 8 in 15 minutes.  Pinterest has an easy on-line form to report infringements.  Why don't we all use that once or twice.  Not to make Pinterest change it's policy (I'm not THAT optimistic!), but to make as many people as possible realize that we just don't accept free use of our images.  This won't harm us - it won't solve the problem either - but we might contribute just a bit to people's "education" towards image use.

helix7

« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2012, 15:18 »
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...I am sure every one of us can find a few of their images there.  I found 8 in 15 minutes.  Pinterest has an easy on-line form to report infringements.  Why don't we all use that once or twice...

I prefer to leave my images there. What I've found are watermarked images that link to Shutterstock. If someone wants to pin my watermarked image and be kind enough to give me some free promotion, they're certainly welcome as far as I'm concerned.

This isn't a negative to me. There's some positive power in this kind of promotion. There's a reason some people happily release their intellectual property into the bit torrent world and other pirating sites and services. It's promotion. The Counting Crows just released part of their new album via bit torrent. I read about an author who had a book that wasn't selling until it hit the torrents. Then it started selling like crazy.

This stuff isn't all bad. I'm not condoning rampant piracy, just saying that maybe things like Pinterest can do more good for you than harm, if you let them.

« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2012, 15:26 »
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I partly agree.  But half of the images I found did not come from microstock sites, but from websites who (hopefully legally) bought from microstock sites.  For instance :  one image of mine (a lavender nature shot) can be found 20 times on Pinterest, and it's linked to a company selling wedding stuff in lavender colors.  No free publicity for my photos there, just free publicity for the wedding shop.

« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2012, 15:29 »
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Oh wow, the "Piratenpartei" in Germany and all other anti-ACTA supporters appear to be satisfied to pin watermarked images or even use those in their blogs.

Yay what an improvement in serious blogging or publishing good content (WITH WATERMARK).

Sheesh, I can see that a bunch of people want to "share" cool pictures in one place (Pinterest for this matter) but at least do it properly for heaven's sake.

Either only post content you hold the rights to or simply contact the copyright owner to work out a deal. It's not always about us (copyright owners) wanting billions of dollars for one web sized image but maybe proper contribution with clickable links and images with usable watermarks (in the corners maybe) which may be an option.

The blatant, naive and impulsive pinning of unwatermarked images is the problem indeed.

I guess it's too much to ask (the pinners) to put at least a little effort into it...

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2012, 15:30 »
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I partly agree.  But half of the images I found did not come from microstock sites, but from websites who (hopefully legally) bought from microstock sites.  For instance :  one image of mine (a lavender nature shot) can be found 20 times on Pinterest, and it's linked to a company selling wedding stuff in lavender colors.  No free publicity for my photos there, just free publicity for the wedding shop.
Exactly, and there's nothing we can do about it: you can't make the wedding shop put a 'nopin' on their site, and they'll be happy enough for the publicity.

« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2012, 15:34 »
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But we CAN do something against it.  Just click on "copyright" (right hand menu) on the Pinterest website and you'll find the on-line form.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2012, 15:50 »
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But we CAN do something against it.  Just click on "copyright" (right hand menu) on the Pinterest website and you'll find the on-line form.
If you've done it, did you get a good response?
(Did you find it via Google Image Search?)

« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2012, 16:25 »
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I prefer to leave my images there. What I've found are watermarked images that link to Shutterstock. If someone wants to pin my watermarked image and be kind enough to give me some free promotion, they're certainly welcome as far as I'm concerned.

This isn't a negative to me. There's some positive power in this kind of promotion. There's a reason some people happily release their intellectual property into the bit torrent world and other pirating sites and services. It's promotion. The Counting Crows just released part of their new album via bit torrent. I read about an author who had a book that wasn't selling until it hit the torrents. Then it started selling like crazy.

This stuff isn't all bad. I'm not condoning rampant piracy, just saying that maybe things like Pinterest can do more good for you than harm, if you let them.


It's not the kind of "good" I want.  For instance, I shouldn't care when my image: http://pinterest.com/pin/202943526928682144/ gets put on 100 blogs for free using the embed code on the side?

helix7

« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2012, 16:49 »
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It's not the kind of "good" I want.  For instance, I shouldn't care when my image: http://pinterest.com/pin/202943526928682144/ gets put on 100 blogs for free using the embed code on the side?


Is that really happening? Do you know it's been posted on any blogs, let alone 100? I ask because there have been a lot of out-of-proportion worst-case scenarios discussed regarding Pinterest, and I'm just wondering if this is another one. 

As for whether you should care of not, well, if it's my image, I personally don't care. It's watermarked, for starters. I think the usefulness of it in any situation is greatly diminished due to the watermark. But if someone is inclined to post a watermarked istock image on their blog, I doubt they'd have been a buyer anyway. I don't view it as a lost sale or anything. And of course the lack of intention to license the image doesn't grant a license to use the watermarked version for free, but it does make a strong argument for the "why should I care" side of things.

Obviously you care enough to justify taking the time to pursue any unlicensed use of your images, from Pinterest or anywhere else it seems. I don't have the time, nor do I care enough, to pursue tiny little infringements like these. I let this stuff go, along with misuses like Hero Turko and such, because they're not lost sales, they don't really matter, and they don't have any negative impact on my earnings. And as mentioned, in the case of Pinterest I view these things as positives, providing some promotional value.

« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2012, 18:57 »
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But we CAN do something against it.  Just click on "copyright" (right hand menu) on the Pinterest website and you'll find the on-line form.
And when my house was burglarized, I should have spent my time hunting for the burglar and then filled out a form asking him to stop using the stuff of mine he stole.

« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2012, 00:24 »
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But we CAN do something against it.  Just click on "copyright" (right hand menu) on the Pinterest website and you'll find the on-line form.
And when my house was burglarized, I should have spent my time hunting for the burglar and then filled out a form asking him to stop using the stuff of mine he stole.
haha, yeah right.  But the difference is here (I think) that the "average burglar" knows very well he's doing something illegal ...

CarlssonInc

« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2012, 03:20 »
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It's not the kind of "good" I want.  For instance, I shouldn't care when my image: http://pinterest.com/pin/202943526928682144/ gets put on 100 blogs for free using the embed code on the side?


Is that really happening? Do you know it's been posted on any blogs, let alone 100? I ask because there have been a lot of out-of-proportion worst-case scenarios discussed regarding Pinterest, and I'm just wondering if this is another one.  

As for whether you should care of not, well, if it's my image, I personally don't care. It's watermarked, for starters. I think the usefulness of it in any situation is greatly diminished due to the watermark. But if someone is inclined to post a watermarked istock image on their blog, I doubt they'd have been a buyer anyway. I don't view it as a lost sale or anything. And of course the lack of intention to license the image doesn't grant a license to use the watermarked version for free, but it does make a strong argument for the "why should I care" side of things.

Obviously you care enough to justify taking the time to pursue any unlicensed use of your images, from Pinterest or anywhere else it seems. I don't have the time, nor do I care enough, to pursue tiny little infringements like these. I let this stuff go, along with misuses like Hero Turko and such, because they're not lost sales, they don't really matter, and they don't have any negative impact on my earnings. And as mentioned, in the case of Pinterest I view these things as positives, providing some promotional value.


@helix

It is a shame that you don't care much about your work being used without consent as that is very easily translated into not attributing much value to it. If one is ok with "little infringements" soon you'll be ok with "medium sized infringements" and so on - the line gets pushed further and further away. If someone is using it, it has value - if you didn't get paid/asked you were robbed, taken for a mug. In my local supermarket they report all thefts to the police - doesn't matter whether they broke in during the night and emptied the shop or snuck a pack of Skittles into their handbag - same thing, theft is theft.

And for promotional value - there isn't any for you, none, zilch. For Pininterest or the poster's page, your image has added content (value) and without content they would have nothing (worthless) - leechers.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2012, 03:24 by CarlssonInc. Stock Imagery Production »


 

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