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XPTO

« Reply #150 on: June 07, 2010, 16:23 »
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I've given up on this thread, it seems a sad story is worth a hundred facts or coherent arguments, something politicians worked out a long time ago.

I think you're misinterpreting a very important thing. You're interpreting as justification of piracy, what some people are stating as one legitimate explanation for it to happen. And justification is not a synonym of explanation.

So, no matter how factual or coherent you may be in your arguments - and I disagree with piracy - there are far bigger reasons than dishonesty for people to resort to piracy in most cases.

Help solve poverty and most of piracy will vanish, because real thieves and criminals are just a small percentage of the population.


« Reply #151 on: June 07, 2010, 16:31 »
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I think DF is not saying that using pirated software/CD/DVD is ok, he is just explaining why people may do it even knowing it's wrong, just because they can not afford it.  Our maid has pirate cable TV, but then a legal cable TV will cost he at least US$60 per month - a sum she can not dispose.  She doesn't need cable TV, but like everything in modern life, people want to have access to this.

In my opinion, the piracy problem is much more than a matter of being able to afford them or not.  Most of my colleagues have a life standard that would permit them to buy, and yet most don't buy.  I have been laughed at by having purchased my PC with a legal copy of Windows.  Why buy if you can get for free - that's their logic.  

Price is a reason.  They can afford the Playstation games they get, but they think it is not worth it.  But the getting for free (or very cheap in the case of pirate DVDs) is now so embedded in people's habits, that only a good reason makes people do otherwise - a cheap offer, free updates (like in Windows).

A friend of mine who buys microstock images for his daughter's school assignments used to buy her pirated movie videocassetes, because they were very expensive and because she insisted in watching them over and over.  It's an explanation that also does not justify the action.  

PS: Once again, don't assume that life costs are smaller in poorer countries. Probably food is the only cheap thing here. Electronics are heavily taxed, so camera & accessories cost twice what they cost in the USA. A new car, even if manufactured here, doesn't cost less than US$15k. And gasoline, even if we are self-sufficient in oil, costs more than in most euro countries. Friends who live in the USA pay for a rent in a big house less than they would here in a small apartment.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2010, 16:36 by madelaide »

donding

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« Reply #152 on: June 07, 2010, 17:23 »
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I agree that copyright theft is illegal. Ivan wasn't saying it was legal or that he did it. What I believe he was trying to say was that when you have no money and you can not afford or your government does not allow you access to software that could better your education, then most of the people there turn to pirated software. I don't know what it is like to live in a third world country, but I can also understand his point.
Now just to clarify....I don't think copyright infrequent is legal and I don't think he does either he's just trying to explain why it is done where he lives.

donding

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« Reply #153 on: June 07, 2010, 17:31 »
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Interesting...maybe all the bantering on here actually did some good. I just clicked on the OP's original link and this is what I got

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XPTO

« Reply #154 on: June 07, 2010, 17:35 »
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PS: Once again, don't assume that life costs are smaller in poorer countries.

Exactly. I live in a poor western EU country and I've been buying things from amazon UK that even with shipping cost half of what I would pay here (the exact same product). And much of what I see there is just about the same price we have in the stores and supermarkets from shampoos to LCD TV's.

People in richer countries assume that the cost of living in poorer countries is lower but in many cases it's not. Prices are about the same (for various reasons), but wages are 3, 4 or more, times lower.

Many of the people I know, if they wanted to buy films to enjoy a moment with the family, they would have to choose between the films or clothing. It's as simple as that. Since clothing is essential, but people don't like to feel sub-human and cast aside from the rest of the world, especially when we're bombarded with huge amounts of propaganda of successful people and societies they end up buying pirated movies to feel of being part of it in someway but also to see what's all the fuss about some films too with all the advertising. Again, not an excuse but an explanation.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2010, 17:38 by XPTO »

« Reply #155 on: June 07, 2010, 19:14 »
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I think that "Our" agencies must screw up this Rapid, Mega, Hotfile servers or whatever they name is in way like music agencies screw Napster few years ago.
Obviously we cant fight with 99% of new degeneric net users who only know how to log in on mail and Myspace or FaceBook and share stolen files, images, movies... thru Rapid and other servers.
I really dont know why that server sites dont erase any user who steal just one file like on stock sites?!? What they are doing?
If you complain for you stolen image they turn that image down (if you are lucky after month or soo) and they retard user have all other thousands of stolen images in his "port" without youre one?????? what???????????
« Last Edit: June 07, 2010, 19:24 by Suljo »

« Reply #156 on: June 07, 2010, 19:58 »
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@ sjlocke - I doubt poor people need our images. That's why I think our images are stolen by people who are making money on them. I don't see any entertainment in collecting and distributing stock images, and I think it's pretty different than watching pirated movies at home. I mean, the purpose of these two thefts are different.

@Suljo - Rapidshare, Megaupload are legal services, and they are not mentioned to be home for pirated things. But, unfortunately, they are alive thanks to pirated software, and they won't erase anything if someone doesn't make a complaint about specific link that leads to pirated thing. They of course know they are full of cracked programs and pirated movies and music, but they are making lots of money by hosting these files. So, they are pretending they don't see it. Pirates also use passwords to protect their files. They are putting them into password protected rar and zip files, so they can't be scanned by any software.
If we want our images to be saved from free distributing, I think we should search internet everyday, and report any pirated links to rapidshare, Megaupload, or whatever service it is. They MUST delete the file that is pirated. They just won't do it without complaint.

« Reply #157 on: June 07, 2010, 20:19 »
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very interesting read... not taking sides but...
i agree with XPTO about poverty or lack of money being the main issue.
IMO, selfishness (or self interest) is a major culprit to this dilema. Countries where piracy is rampant has very little copyright infringement laws so there's no FEAR of getting fined or caught from the people downloading. With this type of environment, I can see this creating some sort of normalcy to downloading illegally. These countries usually don't produce the goods that are being stolen. There's little economic benefit for these governments to catch downloaders. As the country gets wealthier and more producers of goods come out of the country, i'm sure they will eventually pressure their government to come up with laws that will protect their income and the taxes the government gets from the sales. Sadly, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Downloading copyrighted material is wrong. We in the west totally understand and appreciate the hard work that is involved. I think it is a little unfair for us in the west to look at others around the world and expect them to understand this concept when they are not very familiar with what it takes to make movies, songs, art, photos. Content creators are fully aware of what it takes to be commercially profitable, and if the content creators are downloading illegally, you are truly a thief in my eyes.

« Reply #158 on: June 07, 2010, 20:37 »
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@ sjlocke - I doubt poor people need our images. That's why I think our images are stolen by people who are making money on them. I don't see any entertainment in collecting and distributing stock images, and I think it's pretty different than watching pirated movies at home. I mean, the purpose of these two thefts are different.

@Suljo - Rapidshare, Megaupload are legal services, and they are not mentioned to be home for pirated things. But, unfortunately, they are alive thanks to pirated software, and they won't erase anything if someone doesn't make a complaint about specific link that leads to pirated thing. They of course know they are full of cracked programs and pirated movies and music, but they are making lots of money by hosting these files. So, they are pretending they don't see it. Pirates also use passwords to protect their files. They are putting them into password protected rar and zip files, so they can't be scanned by any software.
If we want our images to be saved from free distributing, I think we should search internet everyday, and report any pirated links to rapidshare, Megaupload, or whatever service it is. They MUST delete the file that is pirated. They just won't do it without complaint.

This all is wrong in first place about.
This "Shares" sites are guilty like Napster, they have stolen copyrigth content on they site, servers whatever. From year to year capacity of disc space cost nothing and I feel that this "Share" sites pay and encourage this new buthead users to fill it up with stollen content without any consequences!!!!
From day to day new creatures are involved in some how to made they "own" jabber Blog crap without any or crappy comments and I think it is not problem with me or that users. Problem is with "share" servers which main purpose is to share they own documents between two and not to share to rest of the world...
« Last Edit: June 07, 2010, 22:01 by Suljo »


 

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