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« on: July 24, 2017, 11:30 »
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This THIEF, I guess, collect images and upload after minimal retouches like flipping and removing some parts (like mine) to build his/her portfolio.
Check your images...
www.shutterstock.com/g/Pincarel
« Last Edit: July 29, 2017, 02:55 by max headroom »


« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2017, 16:08 »
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There are several of mine. Will report it to ss when i get home.


EDIT.
I just filed a complaint with DT. SS is next.

Edit again. Notice sent to Shutterstock.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2017, 21:43 by Mantis »

« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2017, 16:11 »
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2017, 16:56 »
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I just don't get why the sites can't use something to detect these portfolios.  Is it really that difficult?  I doubt they inform buyers what's happened, because then they would have a reason to prevent it happening.  I presume they take all the money, so it could be financially beneficial for them?


angelawaye

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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2017, 18:56 »
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I just don't get why the sites can't use something to detect these portfolios.  Is it really that difficult?  I doubt they inform buyers what's happened, because then they would have a reason to prevent it happening.  I presume they take all the money, so it could be financially beneficial for them?

They keep the money ...

« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2017, 18:59 »
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And they don't care where the money comes from. The contributor or a thief, makes no difference to them.

Bad Company

« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2017, 21:21 »
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And they don't care where the money comes from. The contributor or a thief, makes no difference to them.

In the end the company always win and the artist loses... :-\


« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2017, 21:41 »
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There are several of mine. Will report it to ss when i get home.


EDIT.
I just filed a complaint with DT. SS is next.

Everyone who has anything he stole, file a complaint. Shut this down.

Some new thief with 300 vegetable isolations, faked model releases and they will soon be gone. I doubt that this one will get many downloads and the agency doesn't profit for a few misguided people. Account closed. If you have an image in this group, it means your work is outstanding.

Pick your best seller from the group, don't say what it is. How many DLs do you get a month on that image? The thief won't beat you in the search or sales, but how many do you estimate you lost on this one month crook? I always wonder how these people have no morals and think they can make payout when we find them and they are closed down.

But how much do you lose on one of these one month idiots?

« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2017, 03:05 »
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And they don't care where the money comes from. The contributor or a thief, makes no difference to them.

In the end the company always win and the artist loses... :-\
I just don't see how it's legal to make money from stolen goods?  The buyer has purchased a license but is that legal because the image was stolen?  The site has taken all of the money from the buyer and the original copyright holder receives no compensation.  Do any of the sites inform the copyright holder about stolen images?  Isn't this going to end in tears for the sites one day?  When none of us can make money selling image licences, it will probably be more lucrative to try and get money back from lost earnings from these stolen images.  When our images have been stolen and sold on the same sites that could probably easily prevent this happening, I think they are taking a big risk.

« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2017, 03:41 »
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There are several of mine. Will report it to ss when i get home.


EDIT.
I just filed a complaint with DT. SS is next.

Everyone who has anything he stole, file a complaint. Shut this down.

Some new thief with 300 vegetable isolations, faked model releases and they will soon be gone. I doubt that this one will get many downloads and the agency doesn't profit for a few misguided people. Account closed. If you have an image in this group, it means your work is outstanding.

Pick your best seller from the group, don't say what it is. How many DLs do you get a month on that image? The thief won't beat you in the search or sales, but how many do you estimate you lost on this one month crook? I always wonder how these people have no morals and think they can make payout when we find them and they are closed down.

But how much do you lose on one of these one month idiots?


" I doubt that this one will get many downloads "

according to dreamstime following his sales... not so bad for a stolen portfolio

Uploaded files:403
Total sales:7,427

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2017, 05:51 »
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There's a big advantage to having the newest upload so I expect they get quite a few downloads. Agencies should really refund the cash to the buyer or the contributor.

The buyer has been duped as they don't actually have the license they paid for. If the agency doesn't inform them and issue their money back, they should track down the genuine license holder and give them the money otherwise they are defrauding the buyer who has been conned into paying for nothing and is still under the impression they can use the images.

« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2017, 07:54 »
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So DREAMSTIME got back to me and said that he is "LICENSED TO RESELL IT" and NOT in violation of copyright. what? I fired back a nasty response and we shall see. But according to DREAMSTIME, this is allowed.

« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2017, 08:03 »
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UPDATE...
Although the thief was reported to Shutterstock, After I mention the THIEF's portfolio, he/she somehow open another account
www.shutterstock.com/g/Leinson with the same portfolio.
What's going on Shutterstock ???

« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2017, 08:14 »
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UPDATE...
Although the thief was reported to Shutterstock, After I mention the THIEF's portfolio, he/she somehow open another account
www.shutterstock.com/g/Leinson with the same portfolio.
What's going on Shutterstock ???


The is illegal based on the terms of SS. You cannot have two accounts.  That should be reported, too.

I encourage anyone who sees their images or knows who might be the copyright holder of those images to file a DMCA.  The arrogance of Achielles at DREAMSTIME and their support team is astonishing. Acheilles of all people (being a photographer himself) should not stand for this.

I am going to start a new DT thread so that DT is exposed for the copyright thief supporters they are.

Bad Company

« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2017, 08:15 »
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So DREAMSTIME got back to me and said that he is "LICENSED TO RESELL IT" and NOT in violation of copyright. what? I fired back a nasty response and we shall see. But according to DREAMSTIME, this is allowed.

Knowing Dreamstime they will probably close your account for complaining  :-[


« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2017, 08:41 »
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So DREAMSTIME got back to me and said that he is "LICENSED TO RESELL IT" and NOT in violation of copyright. what? I fired back a nasty response and we shall see. But according to DREAMSTIME, this is allowed.

Knowing Dreamstime they will probably close your account for complaining  :-[

They have always been reasonable and acheilles is also a very reasonable person. When someone blatantly and obviously steals your work and uploads it as their own you would thnk that dt and acheilles would be on that if someone files a legit dmca, which I did. But to get that kind of response is unacceptable and dt knows it.

« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2017, 08:47 »
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UPDATE...
Although the thief was reported to Shutterstock, After I mention the THIEF's portfolio, he/she somehow open another account
www.shutterstock.com/g/Leinson with the same portfolio.
What's going on Shutterstock ???


The is illegal based on the terms of SS. You cannot have two accounts.  That should be reported, too.

I encourage anyone who sees their images or knows who might be the copyright holder of those images to file a DMCA.  The arrogance of Achielles at DREAMSTIME and their support team is astonishing. Acheilles of all people (being a photographer himself) should not stand for this.

I am going to start a new DT thread so that DT is exposed for the copyright thief supporters they are.

Double account reported as well but still no action by SS :(

« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2017, 11:09 »
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So DREAMSTIME got back to me and said that he is "LICENSED TO RESELL IT" and NOT in violation of copyright. what? I fired back a nasty response and we shall see. But according to DREAMSTIME, this is allowed.
If that's true, we need to know what site he got the license from, so we can remove our images.

« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2017, 18:36 »
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his portfolio on DT is exclusive, this probably explain why DT think that he has the rights. DT must be aware that the same images are on other sites too

https://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photo-motorbike-helmet-isolated-white-background-image81676107#
https://www.fotolia.com/id/129652631

« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2017, 19:49 »
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One of my images is in Pincarel's Shutterstock and Dreamstime portfolios.  Glad to see Shutterstock take quick action.  I also wrote Dreamstime.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2017, 20:04 by trek »

« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2017, 21:51 »
+1
There are several of mine. Will report it to ss when i get home.


EDIT.
I just filed a complaint with DT. SS is next.

Everyone who has anything he stole, file a complaint. Shut this down.

Some new thief with 300 vegetable isolations, faked model releases and they will soon be gone. I doubt that this one will get many downloads and the agency doesn't profit for a few misguided people. Account closed. If you have an image in this group, it means your work is outstanding.

Pick your best seller from the group, don't say what it is. How many DLs do you get a month on that image? The thief won't beat you in the search or sales, but how many do you estimate you lost on this one month crook? I always wonder how these people have no morals and think they can make payout when we find them and they are closed down.

But how much do you lose on one of these one month idiots?


" I doubt that this one will get many downloads "

according to dreamstime following his sales... not so bad for a stolen portfolio

Uploaded files:403
Total sales:7,427

I'm wrong, I never imagined that these creeps could make that many sales in such a short time when we can't? I'd never defend them and I hope they don't make a cent. The agencies don't like this either because they want us to make that money.

Chichikov

« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2017, 01:18 »
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There are several of mine. Will report it to ss when i get home.


EDIT.
I just filed a complaint with DT. SS is next.

Everyone who has anything he stole, file a complaint. Shut this down.

Some new thief with 300 vegetable isolations, faked model releases and they will soon be gone. I doubt that this one will get many downloads and the agency doesn't profit for a few misguided people. Account closed. If you have an image in this group, it means your work is outstanding.

Pick your best seller from the group, don't say what it is. How many DLs do you get a month on that image? The thief won't beat you in the search or sales, but how many do you estimate you lost on this one month crook? I always wonder how these people have no morals and think they can make payout when we find them and they are closed down.

But how much do you lose on one of these one month idiots?


" I doubt that this one will get many downloads "

according to dreamstime following his sales... not so bad for a stolen portfolio

Uploaded files:403
Total sales:7,427

I'm wrong, I never imagined that these creeps could make that many sales in such a short time when we can't? I'd never defend them and I hope they don't make a cent. The agencies don't like this either because they want us to make that money.

Did you think that they steal low earner images?

And we have a different vision, I think (I don't say that I agree):
The agencies don't like this either because they want us to make that money

« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2017, 02:36 »
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The agencies obviously aren't that bothered by this because I'm sure it would be possible to prevent it happening if they really wanted to.  If they do take all the money when they close an account like this, they're making more than they would if they had to pay the copyright holder.  It's hard to think of any other reason why they don't do more to stop people selling stolen images on their sites? 

« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2017, 02:39 »
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There are several of mine. Will report it to ss when i get home.


EDIT.
I just filed a complaint with DT. SS is next.



Some new thief with 300 vegetable isolations, faked model releases and they will soon be gone. I doubt that this one will get many downloads and the agency doesn't profit for a few misguided people. Account closed. If you have an image in this group, it means your work is outstanding.

Pick your best seller from the group, don't say what it is. How many DLs do you get a month on that image? The thief won't beat you in the search or sales, but how many do you estimate you lost on this one month crook? I always wonder how these people have no morals and think they can make payout when we find them and they are closed down.

But how much do you lose on one of these one month idiots?


" I doubt that this one will get many downloads "

according to dreamstime following his sales... not so bad for a stolen portfolio

Uploaded files:403
Total sales:7,427

I'm wrong, I never imagined that these creeps could make that many sales in such a short time when we can't? I'd never defend them and I hope they don't make a cent. The agencies don't like this either because they want us to make that money.

I think it depends to the fact that the major part of the stolen portfolio is marked as exclusive on DT, so their search engine push the stolen images up in search results. I agree with you... most of them are creep  ;D
« Last Edit: July 26, 2017, 02:45 by Ilfede »

« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2017, 04:28 »
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UPDATE

12 days later of sending DMCA notice to all agencies,
CANSTOCK removed portfolio
DREAMSTIME removed the portfolio.
SHUTTERSTOCK removed both of the portfolio.
FOTOLIA removed portfolio
DEPOSITPHOTOS removed the portfolio.
BIGSTOCK removed portfolio
iSTOCK removed portfolio
123RF removed some images complained about. Portfolio still exist. THIEF KEEPS SELLING AT 123RF !

« Last Edit: August 06, 2017, 11:59 by max headroom »

« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2017, 05:58 »
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This THIEF, I guess, collect images and upload after minimal retouches like flipping and removing some parts (like mine) to build his/her portfolio.
Check your images...
www.shutterstock.com/g/Pincarel



I just clicked this link from the op, and the page is gone (it's in French, but I think that's what it says...didn't translate). Good work people! I checked when this was first posted, but didnt see any of mine, nor did I recognize anyone else's.

« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2017, 06:50 »
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This THIEF, I guess, collect images and upload after minimal retouches like flipping and removing some parts (like mine) to build his/her portfolio.
Check your images...
www.shutterstock.com/g/Pincarel



I just clicked this link from the op, and the page is gone (it's in French, but I think that's what it says...didn't translate). Good work people! I checked when this was first posted, but didnt see any of mine, nor did I recognize anyone else's.

Yes, Finally Shutterstock also removed both of the portfolio. Thank you for informing.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2017, 06:56 by max headroom »

« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2017, 07:47 »
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Good work everyone.

angelawaye

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« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2017, 08:15 »
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Very good to see BUT they will just doing it again in a couple of weeks...

Bad Company

« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2017, 13:26 »
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I feel that some of the folks on MSG should get 'Bounty Hunter Badges'! Job well done!  8)

drd

« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2017, 13:54 »
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This THIEF, I guess, collect images ....

When I first saw your post I thought you will talk about the management...

Chichikov

« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2017, 14:29 »
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I wonder how it can be so easy (apparently) to steal images
Microstock sites ask you your ID to register
Paypal and similar ask you your ID too, and some other personal information. They ask you a valid bank account
So, how it can be?

« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2017, 15:03 »
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Good job taking this thief down. I ran into a few over the years and it's never a good experience. It's a good thing SS is quick to respond with portfolio take downs.

« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2017, 15:14 »
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I wonder how it can be so easy (apparently) to steal images
Microstock sites ask you your ID to register
Paypal and similar ask you your ID too, and some other personal information. They ask you a valid bank account
So, how it can be?
Unfortunately, it isn't that difficult.  A lot of microstock images are on illegal sites and there's many being used at full size by people who have purchased them and don't know how to downsize them.  What shouldn't be easy is for someone to then sell these images on the same sites as the copyright holders.  There must be a way to identify when someone uploads lots of images that are already on a site from different contributors?  I have no idea why the sites have been unable to stop that happening.

« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2017, 17:14 »
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I wonder how it can be so easy (apparently) to steal images
Microstock sites ask you your ID to register
Paypal and similar ask you your ID too, and some other personal information. They ask you a valid bank account
So, how it can be?
Unfortunately, it isn't that difficult.  A lot of microstock images are on illegal sites and there's many being used at full size by people who have purchased them and don't know how to downsize them.  What shouldn't be easy is for someone to then sell these images on the same sites as the copyright holders.  There must be a way to identify when someone uploads lots of images that are already on a site from different contributors?  I have no idea why the sites have been unable to stop that happening.


I don't think they are unable to stop it, I just think they don't care. A sale is a sale, whether it's legit or stolen.

Bad Company

« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2017, 17:26 »
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I wonder how it can be so easy (apparently) to steal images
Microstock sites ask you your ID to register
Paypal and similar ask you your ID too, and some other personal information. They ask you a valid bank account
So, how it can be?
Unfortunately, it isn't that difficult.  A lot of microstock images are on illegal sites and there's many being used at full size by people who have purchased them and don't know how to downsize them.  What shouldn't be easy is for someone to then sell these images on the same sites as the copyright holders.  There must be a way to identify when someone uploads lots of images that are already on a site from different contributors?  I have no idea why the sites have been unable to stop that happening.


I don't think they are unable to stop it, I just think they don't care. A sale is a sale, whether it's legit or stolen.

The company should care since the buyers are the ones that are going to be pissed off!

« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2017, 17:37 »
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Good job taking this thief down. I ran into a few over the years and it's never a good experience. It's a good thing SS is quick to respond with portfolio take downs.
We used to send DMCAs to pirate sites. But recently we are talking about 8 major microstock sites and half of them not even respond to the takedown notices (including Getty/istock). Things getting worse. Agencies are not as responsive as they used to be.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2017, 18:41 by max headroom »

ShadySue

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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2017, 19:10 »
+2
I wonder how it can be so easy (apparently) to steal images
Microstock sites ask you your ID to register
Paypal and similar ask you your ID too, and some other personal information. They ask you a valid bank account
So, how it can be?
Unfortunately, it isn't that difficult.  A lot of microstock images are on illegal sites and there's many being used at full size by people who have purchased them and don't know how to downsize them.  What shouldn't be easy is for someone to then sell these images on the same sites as the copyright holders.  There must be a way to identify when someone uploads lots of images that are already on a site from different contributors?  I have no idea why the sites have been unable to stop that happening.


I don't think they are unable to stop it, I just think they don't care. A sale is a sale, whether it's legit or stolen.

The company should care since the buyers are the ones that are going to be pissed off!

How often would a buyer know?
As has been said, thieves would probably target popular images.
Therefore if you found your image in use, which had sold even ten times far less 100 or 1000 times, how would you know which buyer had legitimately purchased yours and not the thief's version?

The agencies should do the decent thing and pay the original artist, whether on their agency or not, at least the same amount as the thief got. That would incentivise them to be more careful with what they accept.

If someone who isn't with agency A found their image, sold by them on agency B, being sold by agency A, they should put in a fairly large financial claim for image theft and negligence. Even a smaller Small Claims Court Claim, by enough people, would make them think.
However, the problem is that quite likely, the stolen-from contributor is also selling on agency A and doesn't as yet want to use that "interesting way to hand in their notice".

« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2017, 19:16 »
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Good job taking this thief down. I ran into a few over the years and it's never a good experience. It's a good thing SS is quick to respond with portfolio take downs.
We used to send DMCAs to pirate sites. But recently we are talking about 8 major microstock sites and half of them not even respond to the takedown notices (including Getty/istock). Things getting worse. Agencies are not as responsive as they used to be.

Many microstock sites would only take down portfolios if they're hosted on the same site as your original images. You can easily prove that it's your work by having an lower Image ID, but they're hesitant if your work is not hosted on their microstock website. It's hard to prove what work belongs to who and who is the original owner. If they take down portfolios on a whim, you'd get a lot of legit portfolios taken down if thieves start requesting portfolio take downs.

« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2017, 19:46 »
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Good job taking this thief down. I ran into a few over the years and it's never a good experience. It's a good thing SS is quick to respond with portfolio take downs.
We used to send DMCAs to pirate sites. But recently we are talking about 8 major microstock sites and half of them not even respond to the takedown notices (including Getty/istock). Things getting worse. Agencies are not as responsive as they used to be.

Many microstock sites would only take down portfolios if they're hosted on the same site as your original images. You can easily prove that it's your work by having an lower Image ID, but they're hesitant if your work is not hosted on their microstock website. It's hard to prove what work belongs to who and who is the original owner. If they take down portfolios on a whim, you'd get a lot of legit portfolios taken down if thieves start requesting portfolio take downs.

I once wrote EyeEm about a stolen image and included links to several sites where the image existed for years.  I do not contribute to EyeEm but they were fast about removing the stolen image and the account.  I appreciate them doing the right thing quickly.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2017, 19:54 by trek »


 

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