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vonkara

« on: May 09, 2009, 17:23 »
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For those who are annoyed at several kind of rejections. There could be an easy answer to much of those rejections. There is Samsung who just released 3 new LCD monitors build for designers. They are 50 000:1 of contrast and 20 to 23 inches wide. It sure that I get one of those If the price is competitive. http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-releases-three-designer-lcd-displays-0843306/

Good LCD monitors make you able to easily find the noise, out of focus and blown highlights or pure black areas (and more) that make images sometimes unusable. As we all sell our stuff to designers, why not seeing the same images than them!!


« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2009, 12:02 »
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yeah, they look really nice.  I wish they made a 30" model though!  When using photoshop or video editing there gets to be a lot of tool bars and not much screen real estate is left for actual editing.

vonkara

« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2009, 18:21 »
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yeah, they look really nice.  I wish they made a 30" model though!  When using photoshop or video editing there gets to be a lot of tool bars and not much screen real estate is left for actual editing.
Exactly what I think. But they seem scared to build screen with more than 1080p resolution. That mean 23-24 inches for 1920x1080 with the actual standards. A 30 inches would need more to get the same pixels/inch ratio (allowing an exact resolution view when at 100%). I never took a look at Apple's 30 inches screen maximum resolution, but I guess they have this increase...

« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2009, 19:28 »
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Thats why I use 2 monitors , my old Samsung is good enough to have my tools on it

« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2009, 20:52 »
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Thats why I use 2 monitors , my old Samsung is good enough to have my tools on it

+ One.
I also use two monitors side by side. Its the best of both worlds.

« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2009, 21:08 »
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I'm not really so sure about these super high contrast numbers either.

Eizo, which is supposedly the gold standard for graphics monitors typically has around an 800-850:1 ratio.
I tend to believe that is sufficient for graphics editing. See specs of Eizo CG241W below:

With 12-bit hardware calibration and a 6 ms response time, the CG241W displays both still and moving images equally well, making it ideal for a wide range of high-end graphics work including pre-press, digital photography, video editing, and post production.

    * 1920 x 1200 native resolution
    * 850:1 contrast ratio
    * 300 cd/m2 brightness
    * 178 viewing angles
    * Dual DVI-I inputs

« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2009, 23:19 »
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Thats why I use 2 monitors , my old Samsung is good enough to have my tools on it

+ One.
I also use two monitors side by side. Its the best of both worlds.
Same here.

vonkara

« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2009, 01:15 »
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I'm not really so sure about these super high contrast numbers either.

Eizo, which is supposedly the gold standard for graphics monitors typically has around an 800-850:1 ratio.
I tend to believe that is sufficient for graphics editing. See specs of Eizo CG241W below:

I know what u mean but I assure you that there is a quite big difference. I goes from a 500:1 to a 3000:1 a year ago or something and you see noise like nowhere before. Obviously the overall quality is as much important such as image sharpness or even the type of glass used to protect the LCD screen. Those are not calculated

« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2009, 13:06 »
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[/quote]I know what u mean but I assure you that there is a quite big difference. I goes from a 500:1 to a 3000:1 a year ago or something and you see noise like nowhere before. Obviously the overall quality is as much important such as image sharpness or even the type of glass used to protect the LCD screen. Those are not calculated
[/quote]


I currently shoot with a Canon 5D Mk1 and edit on a CRT (Yes, I still use a CRT and will continue to do so until it or I die). I also have a 1000:1 LCD monitor but I choose not to use it for editing.

Prints that I make from the calibrated CRT are spot on perfect. The LCD (also calibrated) has too much contrast and if I edit to the screen, then my prints will look flat.

Here is the thing. Maybe I would see more noise/artifacting on a 3000:1 monitor. BUT I have 0% rejections as it is for noise or artifacting with my current editing style.

If I (or anyone else) were to use a 3000:1 contrast ratio monitor and all of a sudden start seeing noise everywhere, that would cause me to have to further edit images that I am already getting accepted (by iStock as they are the only place I sell). I see no reason to start chasing ghosts. If Eizo says 850:1 is good enough for a professional monitor, then I say it is good enough for me  ;D



« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2009, 19:38 »
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I want post something like this maybe a year ago but I was to lazy for that.
Before one on maybe one and half year ago my 22" Lacie Electron blue III loosed its white point so I buy DELL2407WFPHC the best monitor at that time near the Apples best display. First thing is that it is much more sharpener than any CRT but you must looking straight at 90 angle at image to see right color. After few weeks finally I adopted for that kind of SHT.
Every new image which is processed from that LCD is too too soft and unsharpened when you published this in paper issue, and if you want to have sharpen image in print issue you must oversharpening it, but if you want it for stock then LCD is better because fckin unvisible imaginary noise. OK I know that is for blog shiting or other web portals and publications but who buy 6 or 24 Mpix for web issue. If they even buy that big resolution which is oversharpened and noisy when they downsize it all of this (imaginary) problems are gone.
I really dont know who is the first creappy person who "discovered" that imaginary nonsense of noise.
When I looked on old images on paper issues on new LCD and if I post them to microstocks I think they will make lobotomy on me or ban me forever.
OK bla bla new time new creeps, just because some creature who buy first LCD with high contrast and see that is crap for new cheaper LCD users form his POW they are in forced all of us to make blurry and un noise images because of they new degenerated optics.
As I see in they LCD development they are increasing contrast ratio, for what?
For reviewers To see more and more artifacts because if some lazy creature wants to see image on his creapy cheap PC laptop screen while he is opposite sun?!?
I just cant imagine what will bee in the next years when they made some kind of electronic paper with eg. hexagonal or other matrics and all our work will be looked same to them like I looking my old images from printed issues on my LCD???
For me in few years it looks that we will came to be old snapers like OldHippie????

vonkara

« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2009, 20:52 »
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There's a acceptable amount of noise that either you people probably dont go above. This either because of your equipment or your good photoshop technics.

I don't, so I like to see my noisy images and decide by which trick this time I will cheat the inspectors  :)

Fact: It's "pro's" who tell each times that the new Pentax something, have low or acceptable noise at 800iso. That come up each times at the new releases. It just make me think each time about whcih screen they have... had to push this
« Last Edit: June 20, 2009, 21:02 by Vonkara »

alias

« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2009, 04:29 »
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Always is about the quality of the panels used. Often the manufacturers will not describe what sort of panels they use. Models which are good for TV or gaming may not be best for photography.

TFT Central is a good source of info about different models.

Wikipedia page here about different TFT panel technologies.


 

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